Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Gorsameth]

The worst part is, that it means Biden will win with a greater margin, and then they internalise that as them being right it was rigged, instead of figuring out that many others also didn't bother to go and vote.

I stopped caring about what they think a long time ago.

[Odinfrost]

I stopped caring about what they think a long time ago.

Well, maybe you should care just a bit again, because apparently some of them are crazy enough to decapitate family members because said family member worked for the government.
Them internally confirming their dillusions may lead to more of that insanity.

[Gorsameth]

Well, maybe you should care just a bit again, because apparently some of them are crazy enough to decapitate family members because said family member worked for the government.
Them internally confirming their dillusions may lead to more of that insanity.

I don't live in the US and if someone was crazy enough to still follow Trump after all this I would cut them from my life.

[Draco-Onis]

I don't live in the US and if someone was crazy enough to still follow Trump after all this I would cut them from my life.

Frankly it is not that simple, there are friends of mine really good people their son is gay married with kids and their other son very liberal but they are rapid Trump supporters. It makes no sense nothing about them has changed aside from that, my family and their kids can't talk about politics with them because it is so bad.

[Endus]

Frankly it is not that simple, there are friends of mine really good people their son is gay married with kids and their other son very liberal but they are rapid Trump supporters. It makes no sense nothing about them has changed aside from that, my family and their kids can't talk about politics with them because it is so bad.

And how are they "really good people", then?

And I'll remind you pre-emptively that a lot of Nazi citizens who fully endorsed the work camps and the targeting and abuse of Jews and others were conscientious, polite, generous people to their (Aryan) neighbours, contributed to their communities, kind to animals, etc.

They were still fuckin' Nazis.

That means they were bad people. Rhetoric like yours just always reminds me of when you're watching a news story and you see someone's neighbours talking about their arrest; "He was a lovely man, kind, always helped me bring my groceries in. I had no idea he was kidnapping prostitutes, butchering them in his basement, and eating them!"

The bad shit means they're bad people. The good shit in no way offsets that.

[Kaleredar]

Well, maybe you should care just a bit again, because apparently some of them are crazy enough to decapitate family members because said family member worked for the government.
Them internally confirming their dillusions may lead to more of that insanity.

America has the prison space to fit them, if they want to start breaking the law and get violent.

They have all the evidence in the world to prove themselves wrong. It isn’t hidden or hard to find. They choose to ignore it.

[Odinfrost]

America has the prison space to fit them, if they want to start breaking the law and get violent.

They have all the evidence in the world to prove themselves wrong. It isn’t hidden or hard to find. They choose to ignore it.

I mean, sure. If they break the law, people should be punished. But one was deranged enough to decapitate his own dad because of MAGA. Think what more emboldening can lead to before consequences for their actions hit them.

Also, not saying to just leave them be or appease their insanity. That's equally bad. Just... pointing out that this whole situation is a Catch 22 and that is horrifying

[Kaleredar]

I mean, sure. If they break the law, people should be punished. But one was deranged enough to decapitate his own dad because of MAGA. Think what more emboldening can lead to before consequences for their actions hit them.

Also, not saying to just leave them be or appease their insanity. That's equally bad. Just... pointing out that this whole situation is a Catch 22 and that is horrifying

That’s why they need to lose. Repeatedly and badly. Make them embarrassed to have supported such a losing loser who loses.

These are not people who have legitimate grievances. They’re in it for the spite and contrarianism, and if that stops bearing fruit (I.e, they lose) then eventually they’ll splinter into disparate and uncoordinated chunks of mild, unfocused petulance.

[jeezusisacasual]

I mean, sure. If they break the law, people should be punished. But one was deranged enough to decapitate his own dad because of MAGA. Think what more emboldening can lead to before consequences for their actions hit them.

Also, not saying to just leave them be or appease their insanity. That's equally bad. Just... pointing out that this whole situation is a Catch 22 and that is horrifying

Some people can not be saved nor should they. I love pointing out to the general everyman who voted for brexit what they lost and being smug doing it, i would suggest the same for you except that almost every nutter is armed to the teeth in the states. I do not want to share a table with those kinds of people let alone a nation but they have to be educated in why they are morons but the approach is what seems hard but what can you do.

I now more then ever think that America gained what it gained due to sheer luck more then principled governance. What would the modern Maga type say about FDR whom i hold as your best leader or even Eisenhower? Its shocking to me how depraved people had been allowed to become over there.

[Benggaul]

I mean, sure. If they break the law, people should be punished. But one was deranged enough to decapitate his own dad because of MAGA. Think what more emboldening can lead to before consequences for their actions hit them.

Also, not saying to just leave them be or appease their insanity. That's equally bad. Just... pointing out that this whole situation is a Catch 22 and that is horrifying

Here's what I'll say about that: someone who would do such a thing does not need "MAGA" as an excuse. It's just as likely some other nonsense--especially online conspiracy theory nonsense--would have triggered a similar response. The vast majority of these MAGA fuckwits won't do shit, as we've seen from countless failed rallies and protests. Jan 6th? The only reason they even got as far as they did was due to the low LEO presence and Trump refusing to call the National Guard, and even then all they managed to do apart from traumatize a few cops and lawmakers is nab themselves some hefty jail time and, in one case, catch a lethal dose of finding out.

[jeezusisacasual]

Here's what I'll say about that: someone who would do such a thing does not need "MAGA" as an excuse. It's just as likely some other nonsense--especially online conspiracy theory nonsense--would have triggered a similar response. The vast majority of these MAGA fuckwits won't do shit, as we've seen from countless failed rallies and protests. Jan 6th? The only reason they even got as far as they did was due to the low LEO presence and Trump refusing to call the National Guard, and even then all they managed to do apart from traumatize a few cops and lawmakers is nab themselves some hefty jail time and, in one case, catch a lethal dose of finding out.

The best part of the January 6th bit is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vXDbVLNf1Q

[Edge-]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...e-accusations/

OH MY FANI WILLIS HAD A RELATOINSHIP WITH THE PROSECUTOR SHE HIRED, WASHPO SAYS SO!

The affidavit also clarifies that, although District Attorney Willis and Special Prosecutor Wade have been professional associates and friends since 2019, there was no personal relationship between them in November 2021 at the time of Special Prosecutor Wade’s appointment

Oh damn, timelines don't match up.

Also also -

Amanda Clark Palmer, counsel representing Defendant Ray Smith, and Scott Grubman, representing Defendant Kenneth Chesebro, are publicly known to be in a personal relationship...Similarly, counsel for Defendant Janna Ellis are married law partners, working together and representing Defendant Ellis throughout these proceedings.

Oh shit, sounds like if Fani is compromised than so is almost the entire defense team for the group of alleged criminals!

[Gorsameth]

Here's what I'll say about that: someone who would do such a thing does not need "MAGA" as an excuse. It's just as likely some other nonsense--especially online conspiracy theory nonsense--would have triggered a similar response. The vast majority of these MAGA fuckwits won't do shit, as we've seen from countless failed rallies and protests. Jan 6th? The only reason they even got as far as they did was due to the low LEO presence and Trump refusing to call the National Guard, and even then all they managed to do apart from traumatize a few cops and lawmakers is nab themselves some hefty jail time and, in one case, catch a lethal dose of finding out.

Very much this. If it wasn't MAGA it would have been someone else that pushed these sort of people over the edge.

[Breccia]

Oh damn, timelines don't match up.

How odd it is that "they worked together once, therefore they are biased, dismiss all charges against Trump" came up twice in a week. It's like they don't have any defenses of the issues on the merits, or something.

[Elegiac]

Frankly it is not that simple, there are friends of mine really good people their son is gay married with kids and their other son very liberal but they are rapid Trump supporters. It makes no sense nothing about them has changed aside from that, my family and their kids can't talk about politics with them because it is so bad.

Then they aren’t good people.

Bigotry is dangerous and stupid and people should feel bad and ashamed for entertaining it regardless of how much they profess it doesn’t influence their behavior.

[Breccia]

Weaselberg expected to plead to perjury with respect to Trump's fraud trial.

"How bad is this?"

His lawyer refused to comment.

"Oh, that's pretty bad. Team Trump lawyers love cameras."

As the NYTimes reports, Weaselberg has already admitted Trump Org (but not Trump the fat orange fuck himself) did, in fact, lie about a bunch of stuff. Problem is, he's already plead out...and lying when pleading out is a good way to get those plea deals reversed. In addition, this just hands the NY team even more ammunition going forwards.

Being caught lying on the stand hit Weaselberg so hard, he had to put on an oxygen mask.



Or maybe that's just a bad picture, I dunno.

This sudden revelation comes as three other bits of info have hit the news recently.

One, the damages haven't come back yet. It's possible that the delay is either because of these charges, or is taking these charges into consideration. It is a judge, not a jury, deciding them.

Two, the $48 million fake loan. If Weaselberg lied about that, and recants that lie, Trump will not be able to escape tax evasion convictions.

And three, of course, this Forbes article was published saying that Weaselberg had lied under oath and cited proof, while Weaselberg was still testifying. He stopped when the article was published, and gee, I wonder why.

Weaselberg has gone on record disputing the charges in the $130,000 whore case as well. It's going to be harder for a jury to believe him with a perjury admission.

If it is true that Weaselberg lied on the stand, got caught, and is about to plead out to yet more felony charges, then everyone else in Team Trump needs to pay attention. NYState isn't fucking around, but at this point, neither is anyone except Cannon. At this point, it's a waste of time warning people before they sacrifice their entire lives for Trump, but then, I also yell at the screen during horror movies (at home only) so I'm still going to do it.

Stop throwing your money, career, and freedom away for Donald Trump. You will not be repaid for it. All you will do is get tired of losing.

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So, Carroll's lawyer is doing the rounds and, well, had some very interesting stories to tell about Trump.

"How do we know they're true?"

...you're asking if a lawyer, who just won a massive defamation case, would tell objective falsehoods in interviews on purpose?

"Nevermind."

Attorney Roberta Kaplan, who has taken on several cases against Trump, says Trump once had an outburst because his legal team offered her lunch at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida during a deposition. [EDITOR: Not related to the Carroll case]

“He said, ‘Well, you’re here in Mar-a-Lago. What do you think you’re going to do for lunch? Where are you going to get lunch?’” Kaplan, who represented Trump sexual assault accuser E. Jean Carroll, said during a podcast released this week.

Kaplan said she told him that his legal team had “graciously” offered to provide her team lunch at the Palm Beach club that Trump calls home.

“At which point there was a huge pile of documents, exhibits, sitting in front of him, and he took the pile and he just threw it across the table. And stormed out of the room,” Kaplan told podcast hosts George Conway and Sarah Longwell.

Kaplan recalled that after the lunch break, the former president returned to the deposition room and asked Kaplan how the food was.

“And I said, ‘Well, sir, I had a banana. You know, I can never really eat when I’m taking testimony.’ And he said, ‘Well, I told you,’ — it was kind of charming. He said, ‘I told you, I told them to make you really bad sandwiches, but they can’t help themselves here. We have the best sandwiches,'” Kaplan said.

Yep, he said that.

“I say, ‘I’m done asking questions’ and immediately I hear from the other side, ‘Off the record. Off the record. Off the record,’ so they must have planned it. And he looks at me from across the table and he says, ‘See you next Tuesday,’” Kaplan said.

Kaplan said she wasn’t aware of the phrase at the time and was confused because their next meeting was scheduled for a Wednesday.

"I don't get it, what 'phrase' is involved here?"

Try spelling it out. C, U, Next, Tuesday.

"That doesn't spell...oh, no fucking way. She must be stoked about that $83.3 million verdict!"

Probably, yes. And of course, no surprise, Trump is a petulant child.

[Edge-]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...s-f-rcna136629

A top adviser to Donald Trump’s 2024 presidential campaign has a message for some of the wealthiest Republican donors in the country: Don’t take the former president’s divisive rhetoric too seriously.

Susie Wiles made the pitch Tuesday at a private gathering of the American Opportunity Alliance, a group of Republican megadonors led by Elliot Investment Management founder Paul Singer.

Speaking at the luxurious Four Seasons hotel in Palm Beach, Florida, Wiles encouraged the powerful donors to essentially ignore Trump’s more offensive remarks and focus instead on the fact that the former president is in pole position in the Republican primary for president, according to people familiar with her remarks.

Wiles conceded to the donors that Trump is going to say things people don’t like. But she countered that he is poised to lock down his party’s nomination and that he is the GOP’s best hope to defeat President Joe Biden, according to a person familiar with her remarks.

Wiles’ effort to draw new donors into Trump’s fold came just days after the former president threatened people who donate to his rival, former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, saying in a Jan. 24 post on Truth Social that they "will be permanently barred from the MAGA camp. We don’t want them, and will not accept them."

Some of these same Haley donors were in the room Tuesday as Wiles made her pitch, according to the person, who was granted anonymity to describe the private meeting.

Wiles’ message to donors, to just ignore Trump’s hyperbolic rhetoric, is reminiscent of the spin from White House staff while Trump was president. As the single most powerful person in the world at the time, Trump’s social media posts frequently moved financial markets, for better and for worse.

Trump’s aides would frequently emphasize that his tweets did not represent the administration’s official policies.

When your pitch to donors is, "Ignore what the candidate says, all you need to know is he'll win the primary." then it raises a lot of questions about why those donors are donating and what they expect out of their donations, if they're not donating to a candidate because they support their policies or platforms.

Then again we know Republican politics has become almost exclusively about self-enrichment and ones personal branding instead of legislation and doing a job, see Boebert's impending loss, Cawthorn being drummed out quickly because he was focused on TV appearances, and many other fundamentally unserious losers like Greene who don't know how to pronounce in-dickt-able and still need to move their finder under every word to read it.

Thank goodness there are just so many donors open to transactional relationships in the Republican party. I wonder if James Comer is paying any attention?

[Endus]

"I don't get it, what 'phrase' is involved here?"

Try spelling it out. C, U, Next, Tuesday.

"That doesn't spell...oh, no fucking way. She must be stoked about that $83.3 million verdict!"

Probably, yes. And of course, no surprise, Trump is a petulant child.

Also, a rat-faced coward, too chickenshit to call a woman a "cunt" to her face.

That's the only reason to pull that kind of limp-dick move. He's a weak, pathetic little man.

[Elegiac]

So, Carroll's lawyer is doing the rounds and, well, had some very interesting stories to tell about Trump.

"How do we know they're true?"

...you're asking if a lawyer, who just won a massive defamation case, would tell objective falsehoods in interviews on purpose?

"Nevermind."

Yep, he said that.

"I don't get it, what 'phrase' is involved here?"

Try spelling it out. C, U, Next, Tuesday.

"That doesn't spell...oh, no fucking way. She must be stoked about that $83.3 million verdict!"

Probably, yes. And of course, no surprise, Trump is a petulant child.

Cuntress and some orange dude. Massive credit to Kaplan for having the patience to put up with that shit.

[Dontrike]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...e-accusations/

OH MY FANI WILLIS HAD A RELATOINSHIP WITH THE PROSECUTOR SHE HIRED, WASHPO SAYS SO!



Oh damn, timelines don't match up.

Also also -



Oh shit, sounds like if Fani is compromised than so is almost the entire defense team for the group of alleged criminals!

At worst this is an HR issue, it's just another nothing burger from the GQP.