Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

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Trump: ‘Crazy’ for any Christian to vote for Democrat

“How any Christian can vote for a Democrat, Christian or person of faith, person of faith — how you can vote for a Democrat is crazy. It’s crazy,” Trump said at the National Religious Broadcasters (NRB) International Christian Media Convention in Nashville.

Trump made the remark while railing against his multiple indictments, characterizing himself as the victim of “the radical left” that he claimed is “coming after all of us” due to “allegiance to our country” and “our creator.”

Trump is right...in the sense that "Christian" means "against abortion". Jesus never once in the Bible said a single word on the subject.

Same with homosexuality, by the way. That was some Old Testament shit, and of course, you're not allowed to pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to follow. If you're against gays, you better not be eating bacon. Or, you know, stealing or committing adultery. I hear those are bad, too.

Which goes directly to what we've been saying. What Trump is talking about has nothing to do with the teachings of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If you call yourself a Christian and vote down food stamps or health care, you're a liar, and you're going to Hell.

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Trump: ‘Crazy’ for any Christian to vote for Democrat



Trump is right...in the sense that "Christian" means "against abortion". Jesus never once in the Bible said a single word on the subject.

Same with homosexuality, by the way. That was some Old Testament shit, and of course, you're not allowed to pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to follow. If you're against gays, you better not be eating bacon. Or, you know, stealing or committing adultery. I hear those are bad, too.

Which goes directly to what we've been saying. What Trump is talking about has nothing to do with the teachings of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If you call yourself a Christian and vote down food stamps or health care, you're a liar, and you're going to Hell.

You can be Christian and vote against those.
They never stated they were good Christians.

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You can be Christian and vote against those.
They never stated they were good Christians.

Disagree, but to avoid issues with forum rules, "they're a college student, they're just a bad college student because they never enrolled or took classes" isn't an argument I side with.

But, yes, they're liars or they're hypocrites. There is no reasonable option.

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Satirists have been on some hard times for years now.

It’s incredibly difficult to make funny jokes intended to exaggerate behaviour when what you’d write as satire is all happening for real anyway.

The Onion should just embrace it and become a serious news publication at this point, tbh.

Develop a whole new genre; metasatire. The Onion reports the news bald-facedly but marks it as "satire", leading readers to question whether it's a hyperbolic piece of humor or real. The humor being that you can't tell without an external, unrelated source, because reality's gotten so off-kilter you can't tell reality from satire any more.

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Disagree, but to avoid issues with forum rules, "they're a college student, they're just a bad college student because they never enrolled or took classes" isn't an argument I side with.

But, yes, they're liars or they're hypocrites. There is no reasonable option.

It's best to take a historical view of things.

Other things college students have done in the name of their universities;
Slaughtered men and women for ideological differences (the Inquisition, among others)
Launched wars against other universities just because their professors have a slightly different take on things.
Shunned schoolmates, excluding them from society permanently, over minor quibbles.
Demanded 10% of your income for life because you're never paying off those loans.
Insisted their college is the only real source of information and targeted students and professors of any other institution for abuse and murder.
Covered up sex abuse scandals and protected the abusers, ensuring they can find new victims.
Just straight up denied women any access to the institution.
Engaged in race realism and defended the idea that only whites are the "chosen people".

I could keep going. Anyone pushing the idea that to be a "college student" makes you a "good person" doesn't understand the history of college.

And lest this come off as "bashy", I'm not saying college students are all bad. I'm saying you're judged by your character and conduct, not your affiliation.

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I could keep going. Anyone pushing the idea that to be a "college student" makes you a "good person" doesn't understand the history of college.

Again, I'm being pedantic. Calling yourself a college student when you've clearly never set foot in a classroom makes you a liar or a hypocrite. Neither are redeeming qualities. The fact that some older colleges offered a drastically different curriculum doesn't affect my views.

Yes, I'm using this analogy due to Trump University being a giant fucking fraud.

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Conservatives are normally insanely tone deaf when it comes to non white straight cis het americans, so hearing "Yeah the black people will love us because we made cool $400 sneakers!" is the hardest cope in this situation.

thats cause they talk among themselves about us and think that counts.
Might give themselve bonus points if Tim Scott pops in to go "yes" and offer nothing more

Like if me and some other guys talked about women and then I got on tv and said "Women will love this, Ive been hearing it in discord all day yesterday!!"

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Covered up sex abuse scandals and protected the abusers, ensuring they can find new victims.

Historical? You may want to look up what our president just resigned over.

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WTH!!

Tennessee GOP Lawmaker Worried About Vaccine-Laced Tomato, Lettuce and Tobacco.

Stupidity and paranoia in one package.

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WTH!!

Tennessee GOP Lawmaker Worried About Vaccine-Laced Tomato, Lettuce and Tobacco.

Stupidity and paranoia in one package.

At least it's totally harmless, junk legislation that doesn't do anything since it's legislating a conspiracy theory. Even if he's a weirdo antivaxer nutter.

But it's funny seeing Republicans who have been part of a party decrying pointless legislation and government overreach and the like continue to propose so much absolutely unnecessary, pointless legislation.

Anti-vaxers gained a foothold during the COVID pandemic, spreading false claims about vaccines. Last year the fact-checking website Snopes deemed it “false” that “mRNA from COVID-19 vaccines has entered the food supply via genetically modified plants bred to contain it or through the consumption of vaccinated livestock.”

That's...not how any of this works at all.

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At least it's totally harmless, junk legislation that doesn't do anything since it's legislating a conspiracy theory. Even if he's a weirdo antivaxer nutter.

But it's funny seeing Republicans who have been part of a party decrying pointless legislation and government overreach and the like continue to propose so much absolutely unnecessary, pointless legislation.



That's...not how any of this works at all.

My question is "How did somebody like that got elected in the first place?" He is an actual State representative responsible for making policies. In this case dumb policies.

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My question is "How did somebody like that got elected in the first place?" He is an actual State representative responsible for making policies. In this case dumb policies.

Democracy, that's how. The risk of democracy is always that voters will want a conspiracy theorist nutter who believes lizard people from the crustaceous era are actually manipulating reality.

And because the Republican party has appealed to and promoted these kinds of folks and beliefs for years. Because of this - https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/03/polit...ate/index.html

The share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe that President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was not legitimate has ticked back up, according to a new CNN poll fielded throughout July. All told, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaners say Biden’s win was not legitimate, up from 63% earlier this year and through last fall, even as there is no evidence of election fraud that would have altered the outcome of the contest.

When over half your party are conspiracy theorists who believe the Big Lie, is it a surprise they believe all kinds of other unhinged bullshit?

Why would they when Fox News is telling them that Donald's sneakers really appeal to Black voters in the inner city because they transcend politics and achieve culture and Black people just really like sneakers!

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Stupidity and paranoia in one package.

State Rep. Scott Cepicky claims vaccines can already be added to foods like lettuce and tomatoes, and to tobacco products, so he has filed legislation to require grocery store items containing vaccines to be labeled.

Okay, sure. I'll back that. Every food item that contains a vaccine in it, label it. Go for it. Why not. If the food has the vaccine, and they don't disclose it, the fine shall be elventy thousand million billion dollars.

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At least it's totally harmless, junk legislation that doesn't do anything since it's legislating a conspiracy theory. Even if he's a weirdo antivaxer nutter.

It's not actually "harmless";

1> Pushing the legislation takes up State or Federal representative's time and effort that would otherwise be spent on not-batshit bills.
2> Law enforcement is often not objective. It's often subjective, held to religious views, or just enforced by unfounded whim. See the Alabama anti-IVF legislation. It doesn't matter how "conspiracy nut" the basis for law is, once that's law's on the books, it can and likely will be used to attack innocent people.

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It's not actually "harmless";

1> Pushing the legislation takes up State or Federal representative's time and effort that would otherwise be spent on not-batshit bills.
2> Law enforcement is often not objective. It's often subjective, held to religious views, or just enforced by unfounded whim. See the Alabama anti-IVF legislation. It doesn't matter how "conspiracy nut" the basis for law is, once that's law's on the books, it can and likely will be used to attack innocent people.

It's harmless. It's wasteful, yes. But there's no harm done to anyone as a result, because there are no vaccines in any produce so there will never be an instance where this warning label would need to be considered.

Who do you reckon would potentially be a victim of this bill down the road?

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It's harmless. It's wasteful, yes. But there's no harm done to anyone as a result, because there are no vaccines in any produce so there will never be an instance where this warning label would need to be considered.

Who do you reckon would potentially be a victim of this bill down the road?

It's classed as a "drug" under this legislation, so they could present grocery stores as selling unlabelled drug-injected produce to people. That seems to be the goal. Fines and possible criminal charges could result, I assume.

For selling lettuce without labelling it "vaccine-free".

Fines over bullshit like this is "harm".

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It's classed as a "drug" under this legislation, so they could present grocery stores as selling unlabelled drug-injected produce to people. That seems to be the goal. Fines and possible criminal charges could result, I assume.

For selling lettuce without labelling it "vaccine-free".

Fines over bullshit like this is "harm".

Except that his proposed legislation would require items with vaccines to be labeled, not those without. Meaning that there would never be an instance where a grocery store would need to slap one of these labels on their produce because there is no such thing as produce containing vaccines, much less that is available for general purchase at the same price as other produce.

So again, I'm not seeing who is harmed by this other than maybe the poor suckers within the state government that need to waste some weeks creating a process for this to never actually happen, assuming the legislation passes.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Trump bill for his latest court loss just went up to $454m, once existing interest was added on.

So I believe he needs to find 120% of that amount, if he wants to appeal. So over a half a billion dollars, if he wants to appeal. Otherwise he has 30 days to pay this. Shit gets funnier by the day.

And E Jean Carrol is on top of that.

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So I believe he needs to find 120% of that amount, if he wants to appeal. So over a half a billion dollars, if he wants to appeal.

I keep seeing different values, but honestly, none of them are good for Trump. Trump is claiming he has the cash, but his fiscal filings -- which we know are suspect -- say otherwise.

When not even Trump says Trump has enough money, you know it's bad. Strangely enough, the appeal is the better bargain -- the cost doesn't go up by much, and he has a chance to reduce it. He's got to be scraping for that cash quickly, and wonder what he'll sell or put up as collateral to do it, while being watched by multiple court-appointed babysitters.

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https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1761150066415325442

Fox News Neil Cavuto interrupts Donald's speech to clarify that the stock market is in fact going up and it's going up for reasons completely and wholly unrelated to Donald Trump, and is instead related to Fed monetary policy moves and skyrocketing AI stocks like NVDA.

Also fact-checked Donald's claim of $6/gallon for gas. It's currently $3.26 for the national average.

And that the 2020 election was not rigged and there have been dozens of court cases and investigations that concluded that it was not rigged and Donald just lost. I'm sure the nearly $1B defamation case Fox had is partially why they're quick to point out that there was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election.

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Also fact-checked Donald's claim of $6/gallon for gas.

Without knowing which rally/speech you're talking about, I am going to predict that Trump said "I heard, people are saying gas is six dollars a gallon".

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I can't find it and I'm not watching the fucking Nashville thing myself. Well, if I am right, Trump is hiding his lie by blaming an invisible non-existent other person, if I'm wrong, Trump lied directly. Gasoline is not six dollars a gallon. He didn't hear that, because it's not true.