Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

Is Republicans/Donald's "WinRed" platform scamming seniors and other folks out of potentially thousands of dollars by signing them up for recurring donations they did not want to sign up for? Sure seems like it!

As much as I want to say "hard to pick a winner" the fact of the matter is, somewhere on that site, there's fine print saying they're allowed to do this. No, I'm not going there to find it, that site's a scam. I'm just fairly sure it's a legally protected one.

WinRed will remain a fair and legal demonstration of how the Republican Party does business. I don't think they'll stop unless they're sued -- not because they'll lose, but because the bad press will stop further donations.

[Edge-]

WinRed will remain a fair and legal demonstration of how the Republican Party does business. I don't think they'll stop unless they're sued -- not because they'll lose, but because the bad press will stop further donations.

It's pretty impressive that a couple didn't notice 14 thousand dollars disappearing from their accounts in 3 years.

Like, I might have been the victim of around $100 in fraud spread out of the course of last year and I caught that on my annual bank report. Now I'm vigilant looking out for the suspicious charges regularly.

Just amoral grifters and ignorant idiots combining to form some stupid Voltron.

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https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/26/p...ile/index.html

Kenneth Chesebro, the right-wing attorney who helped devise the Trump campaign’s fake electors plot in 2020, concealed a secret Twitter account from Michigan prosecutors, hiding dozens of damning posts that undercut his statements to investigators about his role in the election subversion scheme, a CNN KFile investigation has found.

Chesebro denied using Twitter, now known as the platform X, or having any “alternate IDs” when directly asked by Michigan investigators last year during his cooperation session, according to recordings of his interview obtained by CNN.

But CNN linked Chesebro to the secret account based on numerous matching details — including biographical information regarding his work, family, travels and investments. The anonymous account, BadgerPundit, also showed a keen interest in the Electoral College process and lined up with Chesebro’s private activities at the time.

The Twitter posts reveal that even before the 2020 election, and then just two days after polls closed, Chesebro promoted a far more aggressive election subversion strategy than he later let on in his Michigan interview.

Ruh Roh, Cheesebro (still struggle to take that name seriously) seems like he may have lied to federal investigators about his sockpuppet Twitter account.

And seriously, at least pick a decent fucking name like Pierre Delecto.

[Breccia]

But CNN linked Chesebro to the secret account based on numerous matching details — including biographical information regarding his work, family, travels and investments.

Wait, wait, hold on. He made a fake account, but put his real info on it? At least claim to be an elderly Dutch woman!

Lying to the police seems to be a Team Trump leaning hobby full-time job compulsion at this point. When I called them "obstructionists" I didn't mean legally.

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Prosecution asks for gag order in Trump case.

"Which one?"

Well, it should be all of them, for the reasons stated below. But, this is the $130,000 whore case.

Trump "has a long history of making public and inflammatory remarks about the participants in various judicial proceedings against him, including jurors, witnesses, lawyers and court staff," the filing stated.

The request cited Trump's rhetoric on social media and during speeches, rallies and other public statements about "individuals that he considers to be adversaries" in cases across jurisdictions.

Trump's statements about court officials are public and many. And he's led violent terrorists before. Asking Trump to not attack the judge/jury in public really would not be asking a reasonable person too much.

[Kathranis]

https://twitter.com/NewYorkStateAG/s...84719971061828

NY AG Leticia James is live-tweeting the daily balance Donald owes with daily updates based on additional interest accrued.

https://trumpdebtcounter.com/

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Satirists have been on some hard times for years now.

It’s incredibly difficult to make funny jokes intended to exaggerate behaviour when what you’d write as satire is all happening for real anyway.

The Onion should just embrace it and become a serious news publication at this point, tbh.

As long as they can continue to publish "Nothing could have prevented this..." 7 times a year...they'll be just fine

[Poopymonster]

As long as they can continue to publish "Nothing could have prevented this..." 7 times a year...they'll be just fine

I think there are more mass murders via firearms than 7 a year....

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

I think there are more mass murders via firearms than 7 a year....

True...but they don't reprint it after every single one...

Also "7" was just an arbitrary number.

[Huehuecoyotl]

https://trumpdebtcounter.com/

They are charging nearly a whole porn star a day in interest? I wouldn't want to be the one that has to tell Drumph that.

[Gorsameth]

Why appeal at the start of the 30-day window when you could appeal at the end of the 30-day window to continue to drag the process out and then also claim you're a victim because the appeals court will not stay the fine during the appeal or whatever and the interest is still accruing?

It's not a very deep playbook. There's like, one double-sided page. Unclear if the reverse side actually has any information on it.

Because he isn't appealing yet? I assume the notice is completely pointless and ignored without the money. So so long as he pays last minute he still stretched it out as far as he could.

[Breccia]

I assume the notice is completely pointless and ignored without the money.

There may have been a reason after all -- just not a good one for Trump. This AP article shows what I was looking for all day, an answer to your question.

Trump wasn’t required to pay his penalty or post a bond in order to appeal, and appealing won’t automatically halt enforcement of the judgment.

The Republican presidential front-runner has until March 25 to secure a stay, a legal mechanism pausing collection while he appeals. Trump would receive an automatic stay if he puts up money, assets or an appeal bond covering what he owes. Trump’s lawyers could also ask the appeals court to grant a stay without obtaining a bond or with a bond for a lower amount.

This doesn't sound like anything else I've seen before, but if it's correct, it would explain what we saw. He's begging for the appeals court to stop NY from taking his buildings for free.

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So it should be obvious by now that this whole "appeal but no money" has me confused.

I'm not alone.

On Monday, Trump's legal team filed the notice of appeal of the judgment on behalf of Trump, his adult sons and two Trump Organization executives, appealing the $464 million judgment and other "far reaching" relief.

The notice specifically raises questions about whether the court "committed errors of law and/or fact, abused its discretion, and/or acted in excess of its jurisdiction," according to the filing.

However, the notice did not mention how Trump would post the bond required for the appeal. Trump has 30 days from Engoron's verdict to post the roughly $400 million bond to stop collections.

Former Federal Prosecutor Neama Rahmani told Newsweek on Monday that if Trump does not post cash or secure an appeal bond, his appeal would be dismissed, adding that there was "no reason to wait" for the former president to move to appeal quickly because interest is accruing each day.

"It's a lot of money, and bond companies may be hesitant to potentially have to enforce the agreement against a sitting president, so it may take some time to get the cash together or a bond in place," he wrote.

Legal experts noted that Trump did not say how he would post bond.

"But still no bond. Trump has 30 [days] from when judgment was entered to post one. If he doesn't, NY AG can begging to collect the judgment against him (including the daily interest add on)," posted former federal prosecutor Joyce White Vance in a post to X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter.

"IMO: The fact that Trump is seeking this relief so close to when the bond in ejeancarroll's case is coming due means he's struggling to come up with the money for the bond," wrote MSNBC host Katie Phang.

Lawyer Don Lewis wrote, "Trump filed a notice of appeal for the $454MM judgment. It simply tells the court he intends to appeal. He has 6 months to 'perfect' his appeal, which means 6 months to file a legal brief with his arguments. He has NOT yet posted a bond or put any money in escrow for the appeal. Bond/escrow money needs to be in within 30 days of when the judgment was entered or Letitia James can start seeking to enforce the judgment."

The six months thing is very...concerning, it strongly suggests this won't be decided on Election Day. But it looks like, to make that happen, he'll still need the money in 30 days, which will still be tricky, and he has to lock it away for six months plus.

I do hope that first part is right -- that the judge can say "put up or shut up, appeal dismissed" until Trump actually has the money. Trump is begging for help from donors and judges, but nobody owes him anything.

[Endus]

The six months thing is very...concerning, it strongly suggests this won't be decided on Election Day. But it looks like, to make that happen, he'll still need the money in 30 days, which will still be tricky, and he has to lock it away for six months plus.

I do hope that first part is right -- that the judge can say "put up or shut up, appeal dismissed" until Trump actually has the money. Trump is begging for help from donors and judges, but nobody owes him anything.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the way bonds work is you pay 20% up front or whatever to the bondsman, who fronts the remaining 80% to the courts in actual cash.

Whose taking 20% of the value from Trump to put up nearly half a billion dollars and thinks they'll actually get paid back if Trump loses the appeal? Who's that fuckin' stupid? If he has the money, he can pay it himself. If not, he's gonna pull this same shit when you sue him to get the rest of your money back from putting up his bond.

Who's that fuckin' stupid?

[Edge-]

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...c2852599754ab2

Some dumbass sent Donnie Jr. a death threat with white powder. Very likely, and hopefully, harmless, but like...can we just fuckin not, please. This shit is dumb, always has bene, and still is. Hope they track down the sender, fuck people doing dumb and dangerous shit like this.

[Breccia]

Whose taking 20% of the value from Trump to put up nearly half a billion dollars and thinks they'll actually get paid back if Trump loses the appeal?

Nobody.

It's 10%. So, basically, redo that entire rant but add all-caps and more swears.

[gondrin]

https://twitter.com/NewYorkStateAG/s...84719971061828

NY AG Leticia James is live-tweeting the daily balance Donald owes with daily updates based on additional interest accrued.

Here is one better.

The Trump Debt Counter. That goes up per second.

https://trumpdebtcounter.com/

[Breccia]

In the ongoing effort to claim "fattest hypocrite who ever lived", Trump files to block Cohen and Stormy Daniels from testifying in the "Cohen paid off Stormy Daniels" criminal trial, on the grounds that Cohen lied.

"To protect Trump."

Irrelevant. Trump knows Cohen's direct testimony will sink him and is throwing handfuls of shit disguised as legal filings.

Trump attorney Todd Blanche moved to block testimony from Michael Cohen, Trump’s ex-fixer, and two women he paid to stay quiet about affairs they alleged with Trump: Porn actress Stormy Daniels and former Playboy model Karen McDougal.

Oh sorry, whores, plural.

Trump’s reimbursements to Cohen are the thrust of Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s (D) prosecution of Trump, who denies the affairs and pleaded not guilty to his 34 charges of falsifying business records.

The 47-page motion attacks the witnesses’ credibility at length, casting Cohen as a “liar” and suggesting Daniels would offer “false” and “salacious” testimony.

Trump’s lawyers also took aim at how prosecutors have described the hush money payments as a “catch-and-kill” scheme to quash negative information about Trump in advance of the 2016 presidential election.

"Can Trump prove she's lying?"

No. If he could, he'd just wait till she lied on the stand, prove it, and get her arrested for perjury.

"I'm surprised he didn't file to block the grab-them-by-the-pussy tape while we're at it."

He did.

Trump’s lawyers also asked to block the notorious 2005 Access Hollywood tape, in which Trump is caught on a hot mic disparaging women, and evidence from close confidants at the time of his alleged crime, including Rudy Giuliani and ex-Trump Organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg.

Prosecution has counterfiled, specifically to keep Trump from lying, most notably, "I am being prosecuted because political witch hunt".

[gondrin]

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...c2852599754ab2

Some dumbass sent Donnie Jr. a death threat with white powder. Very likely, and hopefully, harmless, but like...can we just fuckin not, please. This shit is dumb, always has bene, and still is. Hope they track down the sender, fuck people doing dumb and dangerous shit like this.

On the unserious note, DJ Jr should be used to getting white powder in the mail. I mean, everyone knows he a coke fiend.

On the serious note, sending random stuff to someone is never right and shouldn't be done. Much like the idiots who swatted MTG, the person who sent it to him should get jail time.

[Lynarii]

On the unserious note, DJ Jr should be used to getting white powder in the mail. I mean, everyone knows he a coke fiend.

On the serious note, sending random stuff to someone is never right and shouldn't be done. Much like the idiots who swatted MTG, the person who sent it to him should get jail time.

There is actually a very specific federal offense making it a crime to mail someone a threatening letter in a way that suggests there is a chemical or biological agent present. A person can't even claim 'just a prank bro' on mailing white powder. This is absolutely going to get investigated, and if they can catch who did it, they're open to both criminal and civil prosecution.

[postman1782]

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...c2852599754ab2

Some dumbass sent Donnie Jr. a death threat with white powder. Very likely, and hopefully, harmless, but like...can we just fuckin not, please. This shit is dumb, always has bene, and still is. Hope they track down the sender, fuck people doing dumb and dangerous shit like this.

I am guessing he mail ordered his coke, and forgot. /s

[Captain N]

I am guessing he mail ordered his coke, and forgot. /s

Nah I know what it is....

[Gorsameth]

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the way bonds work is you pay 20% up front or whatever to the bondsman, who fronts the remaining 80% to the courts in actual cash.

Whose taking 20% of the value from Trump to put up nearly half a billion dollars and thinks they'll actually get paid back if Trump loses the appeal? Who's that fuckin' stupid? If he has the money, he can pay it himself. If not, he's gonna pull this same shit when you sue him to get the rest of your money back from putting up his bond.

Who's that fuckin' stupid?

Maybe Russia? Or China might find some spare cash lying around. Always cool to own a potential future President and totally not a massive security risk.