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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    At least it's totally harmless, junk legislation that doesn't do anything since it's legislating a conspiracy theory. Even if he's a weirdo antivaxer nutter.

    But it's funny seeing Republicans who have been part of a party decrying pointless legislation and government overreach and the like continue to propose so much absolutely unnecessary, pointless legislation.



    That's...not how any of this works at all.
    My question is "How did somebody like that got elected in the first place?" He is an actual State representative responsible for making policies. In this case dumb policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    My question is "How did somebody like that got elected in the first place?" He is an actual State representative responsible for making policies. In this case dumb policies.
    Democracy, that's how. The risk of democracy is always that voters will want a conspiracy theorist nutter who believes lizard people from the crustaceous era are actually manipulating reality.

    And because the Republican party has appealed to and promoted these kinds of folks and beliefs for years. Because of this - https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/03/polit...ate/index.html

    The share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe that President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was not legitimate has ticked back up, according to a new CNN poll fielded throughout July. All told, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaners say Biden’s win was not legitimate, up from 63% earlier this year and through last fall, even as there is no evidence of election fraud that would have altered the outcome of the contest.
    When over half your party are conspiracy theorists who believe the Big Lie, is it a surprise they believe all kinds of other unhinged bullshit?

    Why would they when Fox News is telling them that Donald's sneakers really appeal to Black voters in the inner city because they transcend politics and achieve culture and Black people just really like sneakers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    Stupidity and paranoia in one package.
    State Rep. Scott Cepicky claims vaccines can already be added to foods like lettuce and tomatoes, and to tobacco products, so he has filed legislation to require grocery store items containing vaccines to be labeled.
    Okay, sure. I'll back that. Every food item that contains a vaccine in it, label it. Go for it. Why not. If the food has the vaccine, and they don't disclose it, the fine shall be elventy thousand million billion dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    At least it's totally harmless, junk legislation that doesn't do anything since it's legislating a conspiracy theory. Even if he's a weirdo antivaxer nutter.
    It's not actually "harmless";

    1> Pushing the legislation takes up State or Federal representative's time and effort that would otherwise be spent on not-batshit bills.
    2> Law enforcement is often not objective. It's often subjective, held to religious views, or just enforced by unfounded whim. See the Alabama anti-IVF legislation. It doesn't matter how "conspiracy nut" the basis for law is, once that's law's on the books, it can and likely will be used to attack innocent people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It's not actually "harmless";

    1> Pushing the legislation takes up State or Federal representative's time and effort that would otherwise be spent on not-batshit bills.
    2> Law enforcement is often not objective. It's often subjective, held to religious views, or just enforced by unfounded whim. See the Alabama anti-IVF legislation. It doesn't matter how "conspiracy nut" the basis for law is, once that's law's on the books, it can and likely will be used to attack innocent people.
    It's harmless. It's wasteful, yes. But there's no harm done to anyone as a result, because there are no vaccines in any produce so there will never be an instance where this warning label would need to be considered.

    Who do you reckon would potentially be a victim of this bill down the road?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    It's harmless. It's wasteful, yes. But there's no harm done to anyone as a result, because there are no vaccines in any produce so there will never be an instance where this warning label would need to be considered.

    Who do you reckon would potentially be a victim of this bill down the road?
    It's classed as a "drug" under this legislation, so they could present grocery stores as selling unlabelled drug-injected produce to people. That seems to be the goal. Fines and possible criminal charges could result, I assume.

    For selling lettuce without labelling it "vaccine-free".

    Fines over bullshit like this is "harm".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It's classed as a "drug" under this legislation, so they could present grocery stores as selling unlabelled drug-injected produce to people. That seems to be the goal. Fines and possible criminal charges could result, I assume.

    For selling lettuce without labelling it "vaccine-free".

    Fines over bullshit like this is "harm".
    Except that his proposed legislation would require items with vaccines to be labeled, not those without. Meaning that there would never be an instance where a grocery store would need to slap one of these labels on their produce because there is no such thing as produce containing vaccines, much less that is available for general purchase at the same price as other produce.

    So again, I'm not seeing who is harmed by this other than maybe the poor suckers within the state government that need to waste some weeks creating a process for this to never actually happen, assuming the legislation passes.

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    Trump bill for his latest court loss just went up to $454m, once existing interest was added on.

    So I believe he needs to find 120% of that amount, if he wants to appeal. So over a half a billion dollars, if he wants to appeal. Otherwise he has 30 days to pay this. Shit gets funnier by the day.

    And E Jean Carrol is on top of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    So I believe he needs to find 120% of that amount, if he wants to appeal. So over a half a billion dollars, if he wants to appeal.
    I keep seeing different values, but honestly, none of them are good for Trump. Trump is claiming he has the cash, but his fiscal filings -- which we know are suspect -- say otherwise.

    When not even Trump says Trump has enough money, you know it's bad. Strangely enough, the appeal is the better bargain -- the cost doesn't go up by much, and he has a chance to reduce it. He's got to be scraping for that cash quickly, and wonder what he'll sell or put up as collateral to do it, while being watched by multiple court-appointed babysitters.

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    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1761150066415325442

    Fox News Neil Cavuto interrupts Donald's speech to clarify that the stock market is in fact going up and it's going up for reasons completely and wholly unrelated to Donald Trump, and is instead related to Fed monetary policy moves and skyrocketing AI stocks like NVDA.

    Also fact-checked Donald's claim of $6/gallon for gas. It's currently $3.26 for the national average.

    And that the 2020 election was not rigged and there have been dozens of court cases and investigations that concluded that it was not rigged and Donald just lost. I'm sure the nearly $1B defamation case Fox had is partially why they're quick to point out that there was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Also fact-checked Donald's claim of $6/gallon for gas.
    Without knowing which rally/speech you're talking about, I am going to predict that Trump said "I heard, people are saying gas is six dollars a gallon".

    (searches)

    I can't find it and I'm not watching the fucking Nashville thing myself. Well, if I am right, Trump is hiding his lie by blaming an invisible non-existent other person, if I'm wrong, Trump lied directly. Gasoline is not six dollars a gallon. He didn't hear that, because it's not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    The dude was also racist as fuck I mean "this is connecting with Black America, because they love sneakers, it's a big deal certainly in the inner city" what?
    Kind of makes me wonder if their next big attempt to appeal to the Black vote will be Trump branded watermelon and fried chicken.

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    Wisconsin ethics panel recommends felony charges against Trump committee, lawmaker

    The Wisconsin Ethics Commission has recommended that state prosecutors file felony charges against a fundraising committee for former President Donald Trump and a Republican state lawmaker related to an effort to unseat Assembly Speaker Robin Vos.

    The ethics commission on Tuesday referred the alleged violations to several county prosecutors, based on documents the commission provided Friday.

    The commission alleges that Trump’s fundraising committee and state Rep. Janel Brandtjen, a Trump ally, conspired in a scheme to evade campaign finance laws to support the Republican primary challenger to Vos in 2022.

    The ethics commission alleges that Trump’s Save America political action committee, Brandtjen, Republican Party officials in three counties and Steen’s campaign conspired to avoid state fundraising limits in the effort to defeat Vos, steering at least $40,000 into the bid.

    The ethics commission recommended that charges be brought against the Trump fundraising committee, Brandtjen, Steen’s campaign, eight other individuals and three county Republican parties. If county prosecutors don’t initiate charges within 60 days, the commission said it will go to another district attorney or the Wisconsin Department of Justice.

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    So outside of Trump and his attorney's arguing, once again, that he has immunity for stealing documents and keeping them what else are his "world class" attorney's arguing? Well that Trump shouldn't have to pay Carroll because he'll appeal and will be "reduced or eliminated."

    Gotta give his attorney's credit, they sure do love to think they are capable of winning anything for him. At least they have spirit. With that said, how the hell they think this "violates the Constitution" is beyond me.

    Donald Trump’s lawyers asked a New York judge Friday to suspend an $83.3 million defamation verdict against the former president, saying there was a “strong probability” that it would be reduced on appeal, if not eliminated.

    The lawyers made the request in Manhattan federal court, where a civil jury in late January awarded the sum to advice columnist E. Jean Carroll after a five-day trial that focused only on damages. A judge had ordered the jury to accept the findings of another jury that last year concluded Trump sexually abused Carroll in 1996 and defamed her in 2022.

    The second jury focused only on statements Trump made in 2019 while he was president in a case long delayed by appeals.

    In the filing Friday, Trump’s lawyers wrote that Judge Lewis A. Kaplan should suspend the execution of a judgment he issued on Feb. 8 until a month after he resolves Trump’s post-trial motions, which will be filed by March 7. Otherwise, they said, he should grant a partially secured stay that would require Trump to post a bond for a fraction of the award.

    The lawyers said the $65 million punitive award, atop $18.3 in compensatory damages, was “plainly excessive” because it violates the Constitution and federal common law.

    “There is a strong probability that the disposition of post-trial motions will substantially reduce, if not eliminate, the amount of the judgment,” they said.

    Trump did not attend a trial last May when a Manhattan jury awarded Carroll $5 million after concluding that the real estate magnate sexually attacked Carroll in spring 1996 in the dressing room of a luxury Bergdorf Goodman store across the street from Trump Plaza in midtown Manhattan.

    Since Carroll, 80, first made her claims public in a memoir in 2019, Trump, 77, has repeatedly derided them as lies made to sell her book and damage him politically. He has called her a “whack job” and said that she wasn’t “his type,” a reference that Carroll testified was meant to suggest she was too ugly to rape.

    Carroll also testified that she has faced death threats from Trump supporters and has had her reputation shattered after remarks Trump continued to make even as the trial was going on.

    At the second trial, Trump attended regularly and briefly testified, though he did most of his communication with the jury through frequent shakes of his head and disparaging comments muttered loudly enough that a prosecutor complained that jurors surely heard them and the judge threatened to banish him from the courtroom.

    Roberta Kaplan, a lawyer for Carroll and no relation to the judge, declined comment Friday.

    Alina Habba, one of Trump’s attorneys, said in a statement that January’s jury award was “egregiously excessive.”

    “The Court must exercise its authority to prevent Ms. Carroll’s (sic) from enforcing this absurd judgment, which will not withstand appeal,” Habba said.

    Since the January verdict, a state court judge in New York in a separate case has ordered Trump and his companies to pay $355 million in penalties for a yearslong scheme to dupe banks and others with financial statements that inflated his wealth. With interest, he owes the state nearly $454 million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    So outside of Trump and his attorney's arguing, once again, that he has immunity for stealing documents and keeping them what else are his "world class" attorney's arguing? Well that Trump shouldn't have to pay Carroll because he'll appeal and will be "reduced or eliminated."
    I believe the correct response is "prove it". If they're so sure the punative damages Trump brought on himself will be reduced on appeal, they should sprint towards appeal as quickly as possible. Because right now, it sounds a lot more like Trump's lawyers are (a) asking the court to take them at their word that (b) they will be effective and (c) get results. Three things they have not done yet.

    I'm fairly sure the judge has the power to reduce what seems like an overly unfair jury award. I'm far more sure that the judge has not done so. Therefore, I do not believe the judge feels the jury's award is unfair, therefore, I do not believe the judge will suspend it.

    As for yelling "unConstitutional!" at random cameras, Trump is likely referring to the Cruel and Unusual Eighth Amendment. Honestly, this is his best shot. It's not a great one.

    1) Trump claims to be worth TEN BILLION DOLLARS. Claiming the award is too high, without admitting he's worth lower than that, will lack foundation.

    2) This is Trump's second trial. In the first, the award was lower, and he did not change his behavior. If a lower award did not stop his behavior the first time, why would a lower one stop it the second?

    3) Trump is likely begging for the reduction because of his cash crunch -- he may be admitting he can't pay both damages caused by his illegal behavior. However, the Trump Org fraud trial is not Carroll's problem. I can understand an award against some random guy being called excessive because that guy needs to pay for food and rent. Trump broke the law and got caught. It's not hardship when it's both optional and self-inflicted.

    The award might come down on appeal, but I don't think it'll be reduced before that.

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    Trump was going to fight the Caroll judgement regardless, because he fights everything for as long as he can really, but I feel fairly confident in saying the main reason for this push now is 3). Trump doesn't have the cash on hand to pay for both judgements.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    In a month we'll see. Trump attorneys have all but used up every delaying tactic. It'll be time to pay up. NY and Carrol will get paid one way or another.

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    Our Ruling

    Trump said the fine in his New York fraud case "is a form of Navalny, it is a form of communism or fascism."

    Although Trump is embroiled in numerous legal battles, his civil case involved a fine, not imprisonment, not poisoning, not subjugation to a legal system dominated by an authoritarian regime.

    Trump is free to express outrage about the fine and a New York judge’s ruling against him. He is free to speak against the government. He is free to hire lawyers. He is free to appeal his cases. He is free to travel the country while he campaigns for president.

    Navalny was blocked from running for public office. He was poisoned by a chemical weapon that the German government said was developed by the Soviet Union. He was convicted in Russia and sentenced to prison largely on the charge of "extremism" which does not exist in the United States. Numerous human rights organizations including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch said the cases against Navalny were unjust and that Russia was crushing dissent. Navalny died in prison under conditions that have not been fully explained.

    Trump has been given due process in the fraud case and has the legal right to appeal. The federal government has not tried to kill Trump, who is running for president of the United States.

    We rate this statement Pants on Fire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    He has such a way with words.
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    And again, let’s presume equity in schools is achievable. Then why should a parent read to a child?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Except that his proposed legislation would require items with vaccines to be labeled, not those without. Meaning that there would never be an instance where a grocery store would need to slap one of these labels on their produce because there is no such thing as produce containing vaccines, much less that is available for general purchase at the same price as other produce.

    So again, I'm not seeing who is harmed by this other than maybe the poor suckers within the state government that need to waste some weeks creating a process for this to never actually happen, assuming the legislation passes.
    I have to imagine that this all came about because of this.

    With the help of an advanced technique known as agrobacterium-mediated transient transformation, the MacLean research team used a specific type of bacteria to transfer genes from bacteria to plants. Specifically, the team focused on the transfer of a gene sequence that corresponded to SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, an antigen target upon which most vaccines are based.

    The technique had already been optimised with inedible plants such as Nicotiana benthamiana (a close relative of the tobacco plant). Thanks to the pioneering efforts of Prof. MacLean and Ms. Power, this is now possible with edible plants. Before striking success with lettuce, Monique tested a variety of edible plants including arugula, Choho hybrid greens, collard greens, cucumber, pepper, radish, spinach and tomato. The desired viral protein expression was finally observed in lettuce, which was chosen as the most successful candidate for an edible vaccine.

    The importance of this discovery could potentially revolutionize how the world looks at vaccines and how they can be delivered. Not only is this delivery method much easier than injectable vaccines, but it also stimulates the development of mucosal immunity, which offers protection at mucosal surfaces including the lungs. Furthermore, it would allow us to combine injectable and edible vaccines for a more comprehensive immune response and protection against COVID-19 and other viral pandemics in the future. Advantages of this method include the low production cost, since there is no need for a cold chain for distribution, as well as avoiding the use of needles. Eliminating the need for a cold chain would greatly facilitate the administration of vaccines in rural areas and expedite vaccination efforts in developing countries around the world.

    The next step will be animal studies to determine the effective dosage of antigen necessary to elicit an effective immune response. The results of this research have strong potential to take us one step closer to making edible vaccines available to the public.
    So I wouldn't go so far as to say it's completely out of the realm of possibility, but still, the paranoia around this shit is ridiculous.

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    And in Trump-related news...he still doesn't understand what a tariff is.

    'You Screw Us, We Screw You': Trump Vows To Impose Retaliatory Tariffs Against 'China Or Any Other Country' If Reelected

    In a recent rally in South Carolina, former President Donald Trump announced his intention to reintroduce retaliatory tariffs if he secures a second term. Economists caution that this move could potentially worsen inflation.

    What Happened: Trump expressed his plan to implement the “Trump Reciprocal Trade Act” if re-elected, reported The Hill.

    The former president stated, “If China or any other country makes us pay a tariff of, let's say 100 [percent], or 200 [percent], or even 300 percent, and they do that, we will make them pay a reciprocal identical tariff of 100 [percent] or 200 [percent] or 300 percent right back.”

    Trump’s proposed policy, which he described as “you screw us, and we screw you,” was met with applause from his supporters. He further added that as foreign tariffs increase, taxes on American workers and families would decrease “very substantially.

    Trump had imposed tariffs on several countries, including China, India, and those in the European Union, during his first term. During one point in his presidency, nearly half of Chinese products had up to 25% tariffs slapped on them, affecting goods worth $360 billion.

    Earlier this month, Trump hinted at the possibility of imposing a tariff exceeding 60% on all Chinese imports if he returns to the presidency, amidst rising economic and other tensions between the U.S. and China.

    Why It Matters: Trump’s potential return to the presidency has been viewed as a business risk by nearly half of Japanese companies, primarily due to the protectionist policies that characterized his previous term from 2017 to 2021.

    Previously, in June, Trump had threatened to impose a 100% tariff on Chinese goods if Chinese President Xi Jinping did not shut down China's spy base in Cuba.

    Nobel laureate Paul Krugman has also criticized Trump's tariffs, calling them a "bad idea" and "stupid." He thinks this would lead to the end of GATT, or General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, which seeks to reduce tariffs amongst signatory nations.

    Michael Every, a global strategist at Rabobank, thinks Trump’s proposed 10% tariff on all imported goods could have a significant impact on the global economy, warned.
    Of course his MAGA base are every bit as ignorant. *waves to the Trumper dipshits still on the forum* Hey you! Yes, you. You sycophantic cowards. This is the dumb fuck you support. The one who actually causes most of the higher prices you lot bitch about. Have fun emptying your wallets just to scrape by the next few years if you're stupid enough to put him back in office--that is if you have any money left over after sending him your nest egg to pay his legal bills.

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