Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[DarkTZeratul]

I didn't say anything about contradictions to democracy.

Just saying you could stop voting for old people.

The old people you continue to vote into office aren't going to pass any legislation that will force them to retire anyway.

Unfortunately, any solution that's just "if only everyone did X..." is no solution at all, because everyone is not going to do X unless forced to.

[Endus]

Unfortunately, any solution that's just "if only everyone did X..." is no solution at all, because everyone is not going to do X unless forced to.

A better angle on EBM's point would be that if most people want an older candidate as their leader, who are you to say that it's wrong or bad and should be legally prevented from occurring past a certain age? What's the exact reasoning you have for the specific set age limit? If you have reasoning based on general trends of aging and a candidate doesn't fit those trends, why should that reasoning still apply?

I don't think there are actually good answers for any of those questions. It's just anger at the current state of the candidates on offer. But they're the candidates because of popular support. They have to win primaries first, after all.

[postman1782]

If anything, that's a huge win. Because they're retaining far more value than his NFT collections.

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https://twitter.com/KateSullivanDC/s...91634570895777

Very stable genius who brags about acing cognitive tests like 5 years ago keeps thinking that Obama is still president.

His latest rally had 32 mispronunciations and outright falsities on who he was talking about. Confusing Biden for Obama, he even endorsed Biden because Putin endorsed Biden supposedly.

[Corvus]

Haley won her first primary, in Washington DC. 66% to 33%. Not going to change the final outcome but Trump losing is always good for another petulant rant.

[Kaleredar]

Haley won her first primary, in Washington DC. 66% to 33%. Not going to change the final outcome but Trump losing is always good for another petulant rant.

Anything that puts his ass on the backfoot is great. Plus it'll motivate him to say... things, I'm sure, that might actually serve to alienate those that prefer Haley to Trump, and turn them off of voting for Trump when he is, in all likelyhood, the eventual candidate.

[Breccia]

Haley won her first primary, in Washington DC. 66% to 33%

Well, she scratched the armor. I say bravo for her. It'll be all the incentive she needs to keep nipping at his heels while he heads from rally to courthouse to courthouse to courthouse.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

A better angle on EBM's point would be that if most people want an older candidate as their leader, who are you to say that it's wrong or bad and should be legally prevented from occurring past a certain age? What's the exact reasoning you have for the specific set age limit? If you have reasoning based on general trends of aging and a candidate doesn't fit those trends, why should that reasoning still apply?

I don't think there are actually good answers for any of those questions. It's just anger at the current state of the candidates on offer. But they're the candidates because of popular support. They have to win primaries first, after all.

Yeah, that's a better phrasing of what i am trying to say.

And im going to reiterate...the old people in power are not going to pass legislation that forces them to give up that power. So all this talk of "we need a mandatory retirement age" is moot.

[Benggaul]

Trump served notice E. Jean Carroll's lawyer can 'get to work' on his assets next week

We already knew this was coming as it's one of the cases previously reported where Trump's team was specifically asking the court to break the rules for Trump so he could pay a lower bond, which the court pretty much immediately batted away. Like every other court-related deadline I'm sure he'll wait until the last minute to comply to squeeze as much as he can (out of his supporters).

Trump will have to either pay up $83 million to Carroll or cough up the amount for the bond by the coming weekend. This is in addition to the hundreds of millions he'll have to hand over for the New York fraud case within the next few weeks. Good times. Good times.

[Breccia]

Trump will have to either pay up $83 million to Carroll or cough up the amount for the bond by the coming weekend.

So, he'll miraculously come up with some borscht-scented nonsequential bills 4:59 Friday, any takers?

[Kaleredar]

Trump served notice E. Jean Carroll's lawyer can 'get to work' on his assets next week

We already knew this was coming as it's one of the cases previously reported where Trump's team was specifically asking the court to break the rules for Trump so he could pay a lower bond, which the court pretty much immediately batted away. Like every other court-related deadline I'm sure he'll wait until the last minute to comply to squeeze as much as he can (out of his supporters).

Trump will have to either pay up $83 million to Carroll or cough up the amount for the bond by the coming weekend. This is in addition to the hundreds of millions he'll have to hand over for the New York fraud case within the next few weeks. Good times. Good times.

I think the more important question as to Trump is:

can he "appeal" this, yet again shifting his effective deadline of having to deal with his terrible actions back even further? And then can he appeal that when that comes due?


Because that seems to be his and his lawyer's M.O. at this point: wait for a judgement to be handed down, bring up some sort of grievance with it, and then when they're told to fuck off by the judge, they attempt to appeal that ruling.

[Endus]

I think the more important question as to Trump is:

can he "appeal" this, yet again shifting his effective deadline of having to deal with his terrible actions back even further? And then can he appeal that when that comes due?


Because that seems to be his and his lawyer's M.O. at this point: wait for a judgement to be handed down, bring up some sort of grievance with it, and then when they're told to fuck off by the judge, they attempt to appeal that ruling.

Only if he puts up the money first. And then when he loses the appeal, the money goes directly to Carroll. And given how ironclad that case was, the appeal might be tossed on sight, and Carroll would just get paid on Friday. Maybe Monday morning to handle all the paperwork if Trump leaves it to literally the last second.

[Shadowferal]

I give a few months before Trump has a stroke. His rants are just getting worse.

[Corvus]

Supreme Court has ruled states can't use 14th amendment to remove Trump from primaries.

[Sunseeker]

Well, the ruling is out: only Congress can enforce the 14th Amendment.

I'm sure we will quickly hear from Conservatives about how this is a usurping of states rights*TM and unfair federal overreach. RIGHT?

[DarkAmbient]

So now it's up to the voters. Seeing as how the polls are generally in favour of Trump, I'm worried.

[s_bushido]

Just saying you could stop voting for old people.

Oh? Who was a Democrat supposed to vote for in 2020 other than Biden? And who are they supposed to vote for in 2024?

[Breccia]

Well, the ruling is out: only Congress can enforce the 14th Amendment.

Let the record show: SCOTUS did not say Trump was innocent. SCOTUS did not say Trump is not an insurrectionist. They said it wasn't the states' place to enforce the rule. There were no dissents -- that's telling us that SCOTUS doesn't want any part of this shit. Team Trump should take note of that. If Agent Smith's charges reach SCOTUS, I don't think Trump should count on a friendly ruling. (He might get one, but he shouldn't count on it)

[postman1782]

Supreme Court has ruled states can't use 14th amendment to remove Trump from primaries.

Then they might as well repeal the 14th amendment. Because that's 100% bullshit. States control their elections, they have violated the 10th amendment with this as well.

[Paranoid Android]

Well, the ruling is out: only Congress can enforce the 14th Amendment.

I'm sure we will quickly hear from Conservatives about how this is a usurping of states rights*TM and unfair federal overreach. RIGHT?

Amazing how SCOTUS ruled within a month of the lawsuit on something that has more grey area than should a President just have immunity. Am I dealing in whataboutism? Idk.

This orange turd has had so many advantages and privilege laid out in front of him. SCOTUS is definitely doing work for him.

[Breccia]

Weaselberg pleads guilty to perjury.

Weisselberg’s charges stem from his testimony in October during the civil fraud trial, where he testified that he “never focused on” Trump’s Manhattan triplex that was listed on the former president’s financial statements as 30,000 square feet in size – despite actually being less than 11,000 square feet.

But after Weisselberg testified, Forbes published an article accusing him of lying under oath, citing years old correspondence between the magazine and Trump Organization executive.

“A review of old emails and notes, some of which the attorney general’s office does not possess, show that Weisselberg absolutely thought about Trump’s apartment—and played a key role in trying to convince Forbes over the course of several years that it was worth more than it really was,” Forbes wrote in its Oct. 12 article.

When confronted by state lawyers about the Forbes article, Weisselberg conceded that the triplex in the former president’s 5th Avenue Trump Tower was only 10,996 square feet.

This is the 21st fucking century, just assume everything you ever said to anyone is written down somewhere.

I know the rules for appealing a judgement are not as direct as "you get to redo the entire case all over again" so it's unclear if Weaselberg's confessed lies will come back again. However, Engoron did ask about this plea deal before rendering damages, he may have noted it in his decision, so it could.