Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[The Stormbringer]

It's also important to note that they said this would be the only bond they would extend him.

Which is hilarious because he can't stop from defaming Carroll and is going to owe even more money soon. It's like he has no conception of what consequences are, even when they're actively happening to him. What a fucking moron...

[Breccia]

Which is hilarious because he can't stop from defaming Carroll

There are two options.

1) He literally can't, which means he's insane
2) He can, but chooses not to

Neither is a redeeming trait for someone running for office. But at least the first one, he could keep some of his money by pleading insanity.

Could.

Won't.

[Templar 331]

2) He can, but chooses not to

I'm leaning towards this option. Since he's not spending his money (look at who put up the bond) he's going to keep doing it. As long as he's not the one facing consequences he'll keep doing it. As soon as he has to spend his money he'll shut up about it. Although I'm guessing he's getting pretty close to broke now.

[Odinfrost]

I'm leaning towards this option. Since he's not spending his money (look at who put up the bond) he's going to keep doing it. As long as he's not the one facing consequences he'll keep doing it. As soon as he has to spend his money he'll shut up about it. Although I'm guessing he's getting pretty close to broke now.

If he loses, and doesn't pay the bond holder, nor the bondholder paying Carroll, then I will assume the courts will deny Trump to deposit through bonds for future trials.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Now, now, if you put him in solitary, he'll never see everyone saying he's not the best bestiest best. You want him near a TV screen and raging. You just don't want to hear him screaming at it.

I'm pretty sure if you livestreamed Trump shouting at a TV in prison on PPV you could clear the US debt in about 6 months.

[Breccia]

If he loses, and doesn't pay the bond holder, nor the bondholder paying Carroll

Um...isn't the point of having a bond that he can't withhold the money from Carroll? Like, the money is put to the side, Trump can't grab it and run for the exit.

[DarkTZeratul]

If he loses, and doesn't pay the bond holder, nor the bondholder paying Carroll, then I will assume the courts will deny Trump to deposit through bonds for future trials.

As far as the courts are concerned, the money's been paid. Carroll gets it either way. If Trump doesn't pay the bond holder, the bond holder gets whatever colateral he put up. It's secured debt, which means one way or another they will get their money.

[Gorsameth]

If he loses, and doesn't pay the bond holder, nor the bondholder paying Carroll, then I will assume the courts will deny Trump to deposit through bonds for future trials.

that is not a thing. The bond is in place. Carroll gets the money 100% if Trump loses. The person at risk is the company that put up the bond that might want to get payed by Trump if he loses. But spending 90 million to potentially own a future President seems like a bargain.

[DarkTZeratul]

that is not a thing. The bond is in place. Carroll gets the money 100% if Trump loses. The person at risk is the company that put up the bond that might want to get payed by Trump if he loses. But spending 90 million to potentially own a future President seems like a bargain.

It's also a secured loan, which means there's explicit colateral; if Trump doesn't pay, they get whatever he's put up against it.

[Gorsameth]

It's also a secured loan, which means there's explicit colateral; if Trump doesn't pay, they get whatever he's put up against it.

that is assuming they want to collect. If Trump wins the election being able to say "do what we want or we will publicly take possession of Trump tower" is a great pressure mechanic.

[Breccia]

if Trump doesn't pay, they get whatever he's put up against it.

It would not surprise me if that collateral was significant. I posted in another article the loan was partly secured with cash, which basically meant Trump was buying a large insurance policy on him winning/losing the appeal, or possibly, that Chubb looked at what Trump said his assets were worth and were like "no dawg, you got sued for that too"

[Gabriel]

Now, now, if you put him in solitary, he'll never see everyone saying he's not the best bestiest best. You want him near a TV screen and raging. You just don't want to hear him screaming at it.

We could televise Trump watching the TV in his cell, but broadcast it without sound.

[cubby]

Donald Trump Criminal Trial Taking 'Unusual' Measures: Former Prosecutor



Oh good, the man who wanted to be a mob boss is being treated like a mob boss. I hope he's happy.

Oh, and this?



Um...what? What fucking sense does that make?

"Mr. Trump, you have ordered your cult followers to hunt down these people and gave them their names. I am now removing your access to their names."
"That's fine, Your Honor, the people making the death threats already have them. Oh, and I still have this piece of paper with them all written down. Restrict away."
@cubby what am I missing here?

No, it's a total shitshow. Those poor jurors are absolutely fucked. They might have to move and change their names after the trial, depending on the outcome - that is not hyperbole. I cannot believe the names are being handed out (they will/have leak[ed] immediately).

The judge should have made the jury panel, hell even the entire voire dire process as anonymous as possible. There is plenty of legal precedence.

28 U.S.C. § 1863(b)(7) (district judge may “keep [juror] names confidential in any case where the interests of justice so require”)

Whatever happens to those jurors Trump will never be held accountable for.

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We could televise Trump watching the TV in his cell, but broadcast it without sound.

He'll never be convicted now that the juror names are revealed. His Zealots won't blink at spending $10,000,000 to bribe/threaten the pool, and they will find enough jurors to prevent the conviction. The moment the judge made the names available to the defense the trial was over. I would be shocked if there wasn't a war room already running to spoil the jury pool. And by spoil I don't mean get a mistrial. They will be gunning hard for an innocent verdict.

[Edge-]

No, it's a total shitshow. Those poor jurors are absolutely fucked. They might have to move and change their names after the trial, depending on the outcome - that is not hyperbole. I cannot believe the names are being handed out (they will/have leak[ed] immediately).

The judge should have made the jury panel, hell even the entire voire dire process as anonymous as possible. There is plenty of legal precedence.


Whatever happens to those jurors Trump will never be held accountable for.

I just don't get how Donald, despite a consistent history of literally acting in bad faith and being wilfully dishonest, is treated as an honest individual participating in good faith. I'm all for presumptions of innocence and all but at this point any judge giving out the names of jurors to anyone connected to Donald Trump's legal teams is asking for those names to be leaked.

They can weed out biased jurors without knowing who they are by asking questions. The jurors names are irrelevant to the defense or prosecution, just that they can be fair jurors. How the fuck is this even a thing anyone is fucking around with. Are judges literally stupid? Because it often sure fucking seems like it.

[cubby]

I just don't get how Donald, despite a consistent history of literally acting in bad faith and being wilfully dishonest, is treated as an honest individual participating in good faith. I'm all for presumptions of innocence and all but at this point any judge giving out the names of jurors to anyone connected to Donald Trump's legal teams is asking for those names to be leaked.

They can weed out biased jurors without knowing who they are by asking questions. The jurors names are irrelevant to the defense or prosecution, just that they can be fair jurors. How the fuck is this even a thing anyone is fucking around with. Are judges literally stupid? Because it often sure fucking seems like it.

The judge shit the bed on this one - and it immediately resulted in the future mis-trial (deadlocked jury) or "innocent" verdict.

There is ample case law and history to prevent the defense and prosecution from getting the personal data of the jurors. The jury could have been selected a number of different ways, and all voir dire info collected effectively anonymously. I could put together the process and trial methodology in 5 minutes to make as sure as possible the jurors remain anonymous - aside from the judge/clerk.

Unfortunately, and realistically, the names would almost certainly get out no matter what. A $1,000,000 off-shore account bribe to the clerk/whomever would probably do it. Or something similar. Hacking the judicial site would work as well. Other possibilities I haven't thought of.

Trump just won't be found guilty in a criminal trial, because of how awful and felonious he and his zealot followers are. This is mob boss trials maximized.

[Breccia]

No, it's a total shitshow. Those poor jurors are absolutely fucked.

I can say "I hope you're wrong" without believing it.

Honestly, I wish this was a 4D chess move, where the judge releases the "names" of twelve undercover cops. Some Team Trump idiot shows up with a briefcase full of cash and gets a gun and badge shoved in their face.

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Trump seeks to derail New York hush money trial over immunity claims

In court documents filed Monday, Trump’s lawyers said prosecutors have suggested they will introduce at trial “several types of evidence that implicate the concept of official acts for purposes of presidential immunity.”

Although he is not arguing presidential immunity requires his hush money charges be tossed, Trump is asserting that prosecutors should be limited from introducing certain evidence at the trial because they implicate official acts during his time in the White House.

Trump argued that prosecutors want to introduce a financial disclosure Trump submitted while president in 2018.

“The Court must preclude the People from offering evidence at trial of President Trump’s official acts as the Commander in Chief, which the People have not yet specified as the existing trial date approaches,” Trump’s lawyers wrote.

“Therefore, Trump respectfully submits that an adjournment of the trial is appropriate to await further guidance from the Supreme Court, which should facilitate the appropriate application of the presidential immunity doctrine in this case to the evidence the People intend to offer at trial,” Trump’s attorneys wrote in their 26-page motion.

Besides the obvious bullshit, including the fucking bullshit, Trump is desperately trying to divide his actions from Cohen's. Remember, Cohen paid Trump's whore in October 2016. Trump just took his fat time repaying Cohen. Cohen plead guilty and directly and specifically said Trump told him to do it. At this point, whether or not Trump repaid Cohen is immaterial. The two conspired to violate election law. And Trump has publicly admitted he repaid Cohen, just denied that he had any idea why or that it was a crime.

This reeks of desperation. Trump is trying to use the gift from SCOTUS and, quite frankly, NYState has no reason to wait. They can try and convict him, right now, and if SCOTUS rules he has absolute immunity later (they won't) he gets freed.

Incidentally, um, NYState has subpoena'd Trump Org for...well, everything. Cohen's testimony will 100% have objective backup. True, Trump keeps saying "Cohen is a liar" but let's be honest, everyone knows Trump is a far worse liar. I will bet anyone, any amount, that in this upcoming criminal trial, Cohen takes the stand and Trump refuses. Bragg is almost certainly in possession of objective proof of Trump's criminal behavior or he wouldn't have indicted.

[cubby]

Honestly, I wish this was a 4D chess move, where the judge releases the "names" of twelve undercover cops. Some Team Trump idiot shows up with a briefcase full of cash and gets a gun and badge shoved in their face.

This is now officially my new pie-in-the-sky dream.

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I can say "I hope you're wrong" without believing it.

Honestly, I wish this was a 4D chess move, where the judge releases the "names" of twelve undercover cops. Some Team Trump idiot shows up with a briefcase full of cash and gets a gun and badge shoved in their face.

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Trump seeks to derail New York hush money trial over immunity claims



Besides the obvious bullshit, including the fucking bullshit, Trump is desperately trying to divide his actions from Cohen's. Remember, Cohen paid Trump's whore in October 2016. Trump just took his fat time repaying Cohen. Cohen plead guilty and directly and specifically said Trump told him to do it. At this point, whether or not Trump repaid Cohen is immaterial. The two conspired to violate election law. And Trump has publicly admitted he repaid Cohen, just denied that he had any idea why or that it was a crime.

This reeks of desperation. Trump is trying to use the gift from SCOTUS and, quite frankly, NYState has no reason to wait. They can try and convict him, right now, and if SCOTUS rules he has absolute immunity later (they won't) he gets freed.

Incidentally, um, NYState has subpoena'd Trump Org for...well, everything. Cohen's testimony will 100% have objective backup. True, Trump keeps saying "Cohen is a liar" but let's be honest, everyone knows Trump is a far worse liar. I will bet anyone, any amount, that in this upcoming criminal trial, Cohen takes the stand and Trump refuses. Bragg is almost certainly in possession of objective proof of Trump's criminal behavior or he wouldn't have indicted.

Trump's attorneys are setting up enormous amounts of appealable material for post-trial, in case the improbable happens and there is a guilty verdict. If there was a guilty verdict, the "consequences" would never land because the appeals would hold up the actual jail time. Which, again, won't happen because teflon-Trump can't be held accountable.

[Muzjhath]

I just don't get how Donald, despite a consistent history of literally acting in bad faith and being wilfully dishonest, is treated as an honest individual participating in good faith. I'm all for presumptions of innocence and all but at this point any judge giving out the names of jurors to anyone connected to Donald Trump's legal teams is asking for those names to be leaked.

They can weed out biased jurors without knowing who they are by asking questions. The jurors names are irrelevant to the defense or prosecution, just that they can be fair jurors. How the fuck is this even a thing anyone is fucking around with. Are judges literally stupid? Because it often sure fucking seems like it.

He's a rich white man.
And the system still assumes they act with decorum.

[The Stormbringer]

Remember folks, this isn't a "hush money case", this is a fraud case. Trump committed fraud. Yes, that fraud took place during his paying off a prostitute, but paying off a prostitute to keep quiet isn't a crime, it's how he did it, with business money, while trying to hide it.

Also, anyone got a source saying the judge is going to release juror names? I thought they were gonna keep it all anonymous.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Chubb is not "based in Russia". They're an American company based in Switzerland, but do business in most wealthy countries and have executive offices all over. One just happens to be in Russia. "Chubb Insurance Company of Russia" is a subsidiary of "Chubb Insurance Company, LLC"; they're not the same entity.

Like... this is really easy to find out. Fabricating complaints is just sad and totally not necessary, because there are plenty of legitimate ones to use.


EDIT:

Yeah, this.

Pedantics aside, it's still very clear where Trump's money is coming from.