Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Huehuecoyotl]

I can hear his lawyers and their livers groaning upon waking up to that before heading to the bar. Again.

Don't forget that Trump lawyers don't go to dat bar. Then tend to go to dis bar.

[postman1782]

In this case it's China. While Truth Social can't make a dime they can likely use it as a way to sway the dumbest of Americans into believing pro-Chinese propaganda.

DWAC lost 15% of their value on the merger day. So, Trump is living up to his name.

[Paranoid Android]

Aww, why not. Let's Speculate.

If a country or private person "gave" him the money it really would one of those WTF moments.

I mean is this a campaign donation since he is running for President. Likely a no, but then someone flatly giving money no matter what factor to a person who is the candidate of the one of the two major political parties. I'm fairly certain this would be unprecedented and should have some may red flags. Of course since we allow corruption and let Trump do whatever he wants he would get a pass.

I tried to search and find in FEC about paying of a politicians' personal debt. Idk nothing about a Trump situation just reference again if this was a political campaign contribution. So while I'm not sure, it seems if someone is bold enough they can basically pay off $500 million and Trump can run for President?

Best I can find is MSNBC and Joy Reid vid.

On one party I'm cautious cause this is MSNBC and they like to go a little crazy with their theories but they do have some experts on so take it as you may. At the 7:30 mark they have a clip of Fox News asking good ole Alina Habba about a foreign country paying it off and she doesn't answer. So in short it seems like anyone or country could personally pay this off. Again WTF.

Of course to do this with tax implications and idk the right figure, but to pay off the $500 million it would be double maybe triple the amount? Say $1 to $1.5 billion since it would be taxed. But again it's to someone out there who thinks that $1 billion number is worth it for President Trump.

[gondrin]

So, Trump proves that his own brain is his worst enemy. He wants complete immunity but claims, without proof, that Joe Biden is using political persecution against him and that it is illegal. Hmm, if the president is completely immune from being charged with a crime as Trump claims, wouldn't that also mean that what he claims Joe Biden is doing is ALSO perfectly legal.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...9c993e08&ei=14

Trump appears to undercut his own defense in new rant: 'So you don't want full immunity?'

Donald Trump may have just undercut his own legal defense with a posting on Truth Social, and the site's users were quick to point it out on Saturday.

Trump, who is currently petitioning the Supreme Court for full presidential immunity even in instances where conduct "crosses the line," took to his soon-to-go-public social network this weekend to decry what he has labelled political prosecutions against him.

Trump has claimed without proof that all his civil and criminal cases are brought because of President Joe Biden.

"At what point are the actions of a sitting President, using LAWFARE against his opponent for purposes of Election Interference, considered ILLEGAL?" Trump asked Saturday.
He then continued:

"I believe, as do various highly respected legal scholars, that Crooked Joe Biden has long since crossed over that very sacred threshold!!!"

The pushback came immediately, and it was coming from inside the house.

In the comments of Trump's Truth Social post, an account by the name of "TRUTH" said the following:

"Ohhh so you don't want full immunity for presidents??! hahaha"

An account by the name of Mr Magoo added, "How can it be illegal? He has complete immunity according to you?"

Frannie echoed those same sentiments:

"Shouldn't presidents have total immunity according to you?"

Willson, who identifies as a "McCain Republican," was even more blunt:

"DONALD, as long as Biden is president, nothing he does is illegal!"

A user named Tom said, "According to you, nothing the President does is ILLEGAL."

Another user, BruceLee2022, said they are a Republican seeking proof of Trump's innocence.

"Where is the proof Biden is behind your troubles? Release the proof," they wrote on Saturday. "Why are you trying to constant[ly] delay? I'm a Republican and I need proof of your innocence."

[Breccia]

"I believe, as do various highly respected legal scholars"

Let me guess: he didn't name a one?

"Someone told me, everyone is saying it" is one of Trump's signature "I am lying" tells. Leaving out the yes-men within his paychecks' reach, I would be surprised if the qualified experts saying Biden's actions -- you know, having a special counsel he never directs or talks to -- are, in fact, illegal, are at best one in ten. Probably lower, considering it's been years since Smith was put on the case, and basically nobody filed anything.

[Endus]

So, Trump proves that his own brain is his worst enemy. He wants complete immunity but claims, without proof, that Joe Biden is using political persecution against him and that it is illegal. Hmm, if the president is completely immune from being charged with a crime as Trump claims, wouldn't that also mean that what he claims Joe Biden is doing is ALSO perfectly legal.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...9c993e08&ei=14

As with any fascists; their view of law boils down to systems that protect the in-group but do not bind it, and bind the out-groups but do not protect them. There is no universality of principles to be had. They don't believe in anything, not concretely. It's all about hurting the "enemy" while protecting themselves.

Completely without a single ounce of ethical or moral belief at their actual core. Sociopaths, whether naturally or encultured to be so.

[Dontrike]

Seems weird to take this from a golf article; a lein has been placed on one of Trump's golf courses and it may be due to it being taken away soon.

As Donald Trump eyes a Monday deadline to post an appeal bond in his civil fraud case, Attorney General of New York Letitia James has registered the judgment with the Westchester County clerk, setting up the framework for James to seize Trump properties in Westchester if she decides to do so.

Two of Trump’s iconic properties — the Seven Springs mansion estate and Trump National Golf Course — are among James’ possible targets.

Seven Springs, located in North Castle, New Castle, and Bedford, is the imposing 60-room mansion built by Washington Post Publisher Eugene Meyer in the early 20th century that looms over Byram Lake in Armonk as you drive south on Interstate 684. The estate in North Castle has 60 rooms, 15 bedrooms and an indoor swimming pool made of marble.

Trump National in Briarcliff Manor is one of the Trump Organization’s myriad golf courses around the world. Its 18-hole course on the hill was the focus of high-profile protests over Trump’s aggressive attempts to cut the taxable value of the club during his first run for president.

Westchester County Clerk Tim Idoni said that filing the judgment in Westchester County effectively places a lien on Trump’s properties in the county.

“The judgment acts as a lien,” said Idoni.

Civil fraud case cited Westchester properties

The Trump properties in Westchester County were among those involved in the civil fraud trial, at which Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron found that the Trump Organization inflated the values of its real estate holdings to obtain preferential rates from bank lenders and insurance companies.

Trump’s sons Eric and Donald, Jr., along with several Trump companies, were also named in the case.

James’ action comes as Trump embarks on his third campaign for the presidency while facing criminal indictments in four jurisdictions: for possession of classified documents in Florida, federal election interference related to January 6 in Washington, D.C.; election interference in the 2020 election in Georgia; and the hush money payments to porn star Stormy Daniels, which prosecutors say Trump disguised as business costs.

Trump’s attempt to secure the bond to stop collection of the penalty followed his successful filing of a bond from insurance giant Chubb to cover the $92 million judgment against him in the second defamation case won by E. Jean Carroll. That judgment has been stayed while under appeal. Chubb declined to step forward to provide a bond in the civil fraud case.


Meanwhile, Trump, the litigious Republican Party standard bearer in the 2024 presidential election, recently filed a defamation suit against ABC commentator and former White House press secretary George Stephanopoulos. He maintains that Stephanopoulos defamed him by saying that the court had found that he raped Carroll.

Trump maintains that the jury only found him liable for sexual assault.

Regarding the civil fraud judgment, Trump’s lawyers have argued in court that it’s a “practical impossibility” for a company like Trump’s to obtain a bond so large — $464 million — to cover the penalty and daily interest that’s accruing at more than $100,000 a day. His lawyers say Trump’s financial team reached out to 30 financial firms to provide the bond, but to no avail.

They said Trump lacked the cash, and wanted to cut the amount of the bond to $100 million. Trump seemed to undercut that argument, however, on Thursday when he wrote on his Truth Social platform that he had close to $500 million in cash, but planned to use a chunk of it to finance his presidential campaign.

Dennis Fan, the attorney general’s senior assistant solicitor general, said it’s too late to introduce new arguments in the case. In addition, the pleading to lower the bond is based on statements from Gary Guilietti, an insurance industry executive who testified on Trump’s behalf in the court case, and from Trump Organization general counsel Alan Garten.

Fan said the court questioned the credibility of both Trump associates. Fan argued that Guilietti had a financial interest in the case, noting that his company earns commissions from the Trump Organization, including $1.2 million in 2022.

The court found that Garten was personally involved in the fraudulent conduct that led to the huge judgment, Fan said.
Seven Springs and Trump National

The inflated values for Trump’s Westcheser properties were among those cited by Engoron in his devastating ruling against the former president’s company.

At Seven Springs, where citizens rallied to successfully oppose his plans for a golf course and luxury housing development, Engoron cited huge discrepancies in Trump’s valuations. In 2000, the Royal Bank of Pennsylvania appraised the property for $25 million, and later upped the value to $30 million in 2006.

n 2012, an appraiser for Trump said six lots in New Castle were worth $700,000 each. By 2014, the total value of 24 lots in the yet-to-be approved subdivision was appraised at $30 million. Yet his financial statements inflated the value of Seven Springs to $291 million by 2014.

At Trump National Briarcliff Manor, Trump’s financial team pegged the value of the golf club land at $16.5 million when he considered donating it as a conservation easement. Yet his financial statement estimated the golf club’s value at $73 million.

[Gabriel]

So, Trump proves that his own brain is his worst enemy. He wants complete immunity but claims, without proof, that Joe Biden is using political persecution against him and that it is illegal. Hmm, if the president is completely immune from being charged with a crime as Trump claims, wouldn't that also mean that what he claims Joe Biden is doing is ALSO perfectly legal.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...9c993e08&ei=14

I'd love to know if he is just so stupid or of he is this shameless.

[Gorsameth]

I'd love to know if he is just so stupid or of he is this shameless.

He's a rich kid born with a silver spoon up his ass. Rules apply to other, not to him.

[Breccia]

He's a rich kid born with a silver spoon up his ass. Rules apply to other, not to him.

That sounds familiar...

As with any fascists; their view of law boils down to systems that protect the in-group but do not bind it, and bind the out-groups but do not protect them. There is no universality of principles to be had. They don't believe in anything, not concretely. It's all about hurting the "enemy" while protecting themselves.

Yep, there it is. Also worth noting: "hurt others to help yourself" is the main focus of a Zero Sum Game, something Trump has openly published is his M.O. decades before he ran for office. It's not like we didn't know he was a hypocrite, but the fascist part is coming into focus now, isn't it?

[Draco-Onis]

He's a rich kid born with a silver spoon up his ass. Rules apply to other, not to him.

Also for most of this life he's always gotten away Scott free no consequences.

[The Stormbringer]

Take away all his golf courses and he'll lose his shit. I guarantee he'll have a meltdown. It may be the one thing he actually does for pleasure and relaxation. He'd have to start paying to go to other golf clubs? Like some PEASANT?! Unbelievable!

[Milchshake]

Looks like Kim had the worst 55th birthday party ever. Whats happening here? <funny replies plz>

[Breccia]

He'd have to start paying to go to other golf clubs?

Now now, we all know Trump has a history of shelling out cash in exchange for fore play.

Also:

Fox News Fact-Checks Donald Trump Bond Claim

*ding*

"A bond of the size set by the Democrat Club-controlled Judge, in Corrupt, Racist Letitia James' unlawful Witch Hunt, is unConstitutional, un-American, unprecedented, and practically impossible for ANY Company, including one as successful as mine," Trump wrote in a post last Monday.

During an interview with former federal prosecutor Alex Little on Fox News Live on Sunday, Shawn said: "We've also heard there's a lot of talk about this is unprecedented amount of money. This has never happened before. But that's actually not true. This is from Letitia James, the attorney general's own court papers I'm gonna show it to you right now."

A graphic then appeared on the screen listing multiple court cases with bonds at or over $1 billion, including Sony Music Entertainment v. Cox Communications at $1.2 billion, Apple v. Samsung Electronics at $1 billion, Oracle USA v. SAP AG at $1.3 billion, and Carnegie Mellon University v. Marvell Technology Group at $1.5 billion.

Fact-checking Trump with James, on FOX News, is brutal. But of course, they have eight hundred million reasons to tell the truth, don't they?

[The Stormbringer]

How is it that Fox News can fact-check Trump live (though this is probably the first time they HAVE), but CNN and other places can't...? What the hell does that say about our news media organizations??

[Flarelaine]

How is it that Fox News can fact-check Trump live (though this is probably the first time they HAVE), but CNN and other places can't...? What the hell does that say about our news media organizations??

Fox has already experienced their balls being caught in a vice. The others, not so much.

[Breccia]

How is it that Fox News can fact-check Trump live (though this is probably the first time they HAVE), but CNN and other places can't...?

CNN doesn't need to. Nobody watching CNN believes Trump is telling the truth. While Trump is talking they take coffee breaks and laugh.

[Edge-]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/bond-poste...y?id=108402922

A New York appellate court has ruled that former President Donald Trump can post a lower bond to cover his $464 million civil fraud judgment.

The Appellate Division, First Department said Trump can post a bond "in the amount of $175 million" to cover the judgment.

Trump's attorneys had argued obtaining a bond for the full amount of $464 million was a "practical impossibility."

The panel of five judges also opted to delay enforcement of the $464 million judgment by 10 days.

I swear, there is nobody who has had more bullshit chances and gotten away with more than fucking Donald and I fucking hate how the deck is stacked for wealthy or notable people so fucking much. Our legal system is such a fucking joke.

[Inuyaki]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ppeals-ny-fine

The US is so broken. If anyone ever again comes with some freedom or law&order bs, I will just laugh in their face.

[The Stormbringer]

Son of a fucking bitch, what the hell is wrong with them? The attorneys were lying! We know they were lying! Slap him with the full judgement! And a ten day delay too? Are they incompetent? Now he can drag out the appeal process and has more funds floating around for his shady business dealings and his campaign.