Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Dontrike]

A whole bunch of fake electors just took the fifth. Something something even Trump said those that took the fifth are guilty.

Arizona Republicans who falsely posed as electors for Donald Trump in 2020 have appeared before a grand jury in recent days and invoked their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, as state prosecutors near a decision on potential criminal charges against those who helped Trump try to overturn his loss in the state.

The prosecutors’ decision to require these people to appear in person is the latest escalation of the long-running probe by the state’s attorney general, Kris Mayes, into election interference by Trump allies. The tactic is also highly unusual and risks biasing the grand jury against key targets of the probe, according to independent legal experts who have worked as both prosecutors and defense lawyers.

If the grand jury charges them, it could even provide a longshot basis for the targets to challenge the indictment.

“My view is that the better practice is not to call people before the grand jury who you know are going to invoke the Fifth Amendment,” said Paul Charlton, a former Arizona assistant attorney general. “Why? Because all that does is unnecessarily prejudice the grand jury.”

A bit more in the article, but it is a question as to why this is happening, but of course it's not all that stunning more guilty as sin criminals are using this.

[Poopymonster]

A whole bunch of fake electors just took the fifth. Something something even Trump said those that took the fifth are guilty.



A bit more in the article, but it is a question as to why this is happening, but of course it's not all that stunning more guilty as sin criminals are using this.

Stall until the next Real Republican Regime takes over the state, then charges dismissed.

[Resurgo]

but you get the Constitution, you know the amendment where it talks about committing insurrection against the US. The Bill Rights, which talks about no state sponsored religion. Declaration of Independence, which gives us our first hope that all men are created equal. excpet.... You Know. Pledge of Allegiance which is well nothing really; who cares about some patriotic dribble…

My friend was saying that for all that it came with, people would do well to have all that in their homes…

Except that’s assuming they could read…

Then came across this unrelated exchange on reddit and realized it was a perfect fit for a good many magats I know…

[D Luniz]

May seem strange, but selling Bibles...this is going to hurt Trump.

not with the cult
and the rest of the former Republican party has the mindset that the worse person with an "R" is better than anyone with a "D"
it wont hurt him beyond the lack of ad buys from down ballot

[cubby]

May seem strange, but selling Bibles...this is going to hurt Trump.

Nothing hurts Trump anymore. Anyone who is still following him can't and won't let go, and that means those same people will continue to deny the reality in front of their faces.

The real criminally negligent minds in this are the people who will vote for Trump because "at least he's better than..." - those people know they are doing wrong (i.e. aren't entirely insane like his rabid followers) and yet won't/can't be intellectually honest with themselves.

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not with the cult
and the rest of the former Republican party has the mindset that the worse person with an "R" is better than anyone with a "D"
it wont hurt him beyond the lack of ad buys from down ballot

Yep - precisely. Those "worse R better than any D" are precisely the real problem.

[Cthulhu 2020]

To this day, Trump's most successful business venture was selling red hats to idiots.

[gondrin]

To this day, Trump's most successful business venture was selling red hats to idiots.

Well, every fascist needs their symbol.

[Poopymonster]

Well, every fascist needs their symbol.

Well, he wanted nothing brown in this country. Even a shirt, so that was out.

[Dontrike]

To this day, Trump's most successful business venture was selling red hats to idiots.

I'd say that up until his presidency his true successful business was selling his name, much akin to how sports celebs did the same (like Shaq).

[Draco-Onis]

I'd say that up until his presidency his true successful business was selling his name, much akin to how sports celebs did the same (like Shaq).

Agreed, his presidency is the result of the mythos he created around his name.

[diller]

May seem strange, but selling Bibles...this is going to hurt Trump.

I mean a bible signed by the antichrist does seem to have some gimmick to it!

[Shadowferal]

not with the cult and the rest of the former Republican party has the mindset that the worse person with an "R" is better than anyone with a "D" it wont hurt him beyond the lack of ad buys from down ballot

Nothing hurts Trump anymore. Anyone who is still following him can't and won't let go, and that means those same people will continue to deny the reality in front of their faces.
The real criminally negligent minds in this are the people who will vote for Trump because "at least he's better than..." - those people know they are doing wrong (i.e. aren't entirely insane like his rabid followers) and yet won't/can't be intellectually honest with themselves.

I'm certain that there will be more of a loss than any gains. The zealots are in no matter what. But most mainstream Christians don't fall in that category. The Christian reaction to Trump’s Bible endorsement goes deeper than you think
They may not vote for Biden, but they won't vote for someone that profaned their beliefs either. Prediction; the turnout for Trump will be similar to his rallies. Too many will stay home. A net win for Biden...and the media of course. (This presumes Trump isn't dead or in jail by Nov...or more incapacitated than he is now)

[Breccia]

Happy Easter, everyone. I'm sure Trump, seller of Bibles, will treat--

all Legal Experts and Scholars universally agree that this is a case that should have never been brought. IT IS A POLITICAL, ELECTION-INTERFERING WITCH HUNT, JUST LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER HOAXES, HEADED UP AND COORDINATED BY THE DOJ, AGAINST THE POLITICAL OPPONENT OF CROOKED JOE BIDEN IN ORDER TO HELP GET THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES RE-ELECTED!

Wow. "all Legal Experts and Scholars universally agree" apparently. Sounds like he'll have an easy time in court, if "all Legal Experts and Scholars" agree with him.

You know what, this isn't even worthy of a 24-hour challenge. Trump is just objectively wrong. There's no point in asking Trump supporters to defend this, because it's just flat-out wrong. Also, if Trump has evidence that this case -- this is the NY case involving Cohen just so we're clear, it is not a federal case -- is being directed in any way by the DoJ, he is welcome to present that at trial and/or to the public. ALL CAPS IS NOT EVIDENCE, it is just shouting.

[Logwyn]

Agreed, his presidency is the result of the mythos he created around his name.

There is always this

[ringpriest]

Happy Easter, everyone. I'm sure Trump, seller of Bibles, will treat--



Wow. "all Legal Experts and Scholars universally agree" apparently. Sounds like he'll have an easy time in court, if "all Legal Experts and Scholars" agree with him.

You know what, this isn't even worthy of a 24-hour challenge. Trump is just objectively wrong. There's no point in asking Trump supporters to defend this, because it's just flat-out wrong. Also, if Trump has evidence that this case -- this is the NY case involving Cohen just so we're clear, it is not a federal case -- is being directed in any way by the DoJ, he is welcome to present that at trial and/or to the public. ALL CAPS IS NOT EVIDENCE, it is just shouting.

It's also projection.

Donald Trump really did order his DoJ to shut down investigations into his own crimes, and ordered them to target his opponent in order to get himself, the "WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES" re-elected.

One of the philosophical points J.R.R. Tolkien made is that Evil is creatively bankrupt, and thus it is only ever capable of imitation and mockery. The last decade of watching the GOP and Donald Trump in action has really made it clear how deeply true this observation is. They're utterly incapable of building anything, even the things they claim to want. And they are likewise unable to find any novel misdeeds to accuse their opponents of committing - every single time the GOP or Trump complain about or make allegations against those who challenge them, it is something they very obviously have already done or are currently in the process of doing (and would do again given the chance).

[Gorsameth]

I'm certain that there will be more of a loss than any gains. The zealots are in no matter what. But most mainstream Christians don't fall in that category. The Christian reaction to Trump’s Bible endorsement goes deeper than you think
They may not vote for Biden, but they won't vote for someone that profaned their beliefs either. Prediction; the turnout for Trump will be similar to his rallies. Too many will stay home. A net win for Biden...and the media of course. (This presumes Trump isn't dead or in jail by Nov...or more incapacitated than he is now)

I assume you don't know the answer but I have to ask.
Why now?

Trump has been the walking embodiment of the 7 sins since day 1. Why is this crossing the line and were the very happy to vote for him when he was just a serial adulterer and rapist.
I'm sorry, I think I answered my own question. He was the perfect representation of the church.

[gondrin]

It's also projection.

Donald Trump really did order his DoJ to shut down investigations into his own crimes, and ordered them to target his opponent in order to get himself, the "WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES" re-elected.

One of the philosophical points J.R.R. Tolkien made is that Evil is creatively bankrupt, and thus it is only ever capable of imitation and mockery. The last decade of watching the GOP and Donald Trump in action has really made it clear how deeply true this observation is. They're utterly incapable of building anything, even the things they claim to want. And they are likewise unable to find any novel misdeeds to accuse their opponents of committing - every single time the GOP or Trump complain about or make allegations against those who challenge them, it is something they very obviously have already done or are currently in the process of doing (and would do again given the chance).

Honestly, the GOP for the past, pretty much, 50 years only has had ideas that were just "Hurt the right people." mentality.

As much as some posters here dislike Bill Maher(and for good reason), he did point out one fact that is true, that the modern GOP talking heads(and some politicians) are just failed actors that got ridiculed or refused parts and now want to get back at "Liberal Hollywood" and liberals in general. All they care about is hurting the people and ideas that liberals support. Even if it comes at the expense of their own supporters.

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I assume you don't know the answer but I have to ask.
Why now?

Trump has been the walking embodiment of the 7 sins since day 1. Why is this crossing the line and were the very happy to vote for him when he was just a serial adulterer and rapist.
I'm sorry, I think I answered my own question. He was the perfect representation of the church.

Because they can excuse the person for, well, being the person as a person is inherently flawed. Now they are seeing that same person use their holy object to enrich himself and taint it with things that aren't part of it. The book he is selling is literally the Christian Nationalist version of the bible. Most Christians don't subscribe to it much like most Muslims don't subscribe to ISIS or any other Muslim extremist organization.

[Shadowferal]

I assume you don't know the answer but I have to ask.
Why now?

Trump has been the walking embodiment of the 7 sins since day 1. Why is this crossing the line and were the very happy to vote for him when he was just a serial adulterer and rapist. I'm sorry, I think I answered my own question. He was the perfect representation of the church.

In my opinion:
Between his own failing mental health, and the added pressure of his multiple losses in court, he...broke.
Most of those with Christian beliefs were willing to overlook Trump's obvious lack of same as long as that "separation" was there..that religious divide from their personal beliefs and his political bullshit.
Courtroom antics aside, he was republican and that was good enough.
But this Bible grift, wasn't about hearing what was said, it's about feeling. It's one thing when a religious leader does it, but very different when a "president" does it. Especially someone who wants to be your dictator. A sense of foreboding is kicking in...Trump doesn't care about "third rail" politics...but assuming he makes it to Nov, he'll be reminded hard about it later...
/my opinion.

[Poopymonster]

I assume you don't know the answer but I have to ask.
Why now?

Trump has been the walking embodiment of the 7 sins since day 1. Why is this crossing the line and were the very happy to vote for him when he was just a serial adulterer and rapist.
I'm sorry, I think I answered my own question. He was the perfect representation of the church.

Money laundering for one thing. Also Money into church, church buys bibles, Don gets the money. Bypasses donation limits and isn't a church getting involved in politics "Nothing political here. We just bought bibles. So what if it was from the antichrist. Why do you hate Jesus?"

[Shadowferal]

Yes, Donald Trump really believes he is ‘the chosen one’

In the midst of answering a question about the ongoing trade war with China on Wednesday, President Donald Trump turned from reporters, looked to heavens and proclaimed, “I am the chosen one.”

He was, ostensibly, joking – and, days later, the President said in a string of Saturday tweets that reporters knew he “was kidding, being sarcastic, and just having fun.” The point he was trying to make is that past presidents should have dealt with the inequities in the United States’ relationship with China but didn’t, leaving him to handle it.

But as always with Trump, his jokes are freighted with what he believes to be lots and lots of truth.

Two serious strains of Trump thought are at work in the “chosen one” moment.

First, Trump does believe he is special and unique. In his defense, he’s far from the first president or even presidential candidate to believe that. As Beto O’Rourke famously/infamously told Vanity Fair in announcing his 2020 presidential campaign: “Man, I’m just I’m just born to be in it.”

Trump’s view of himself as special, of course, didn’t arrive when he got elected president in 2016. While that stunning victory was perhaps the strongest evidence – in Trump’s mind – of just how special (and how much better) he is, it’s not as though he didn’t think of himself that way prior to November 8, 2016.

As he wrote in “The Art of the Deal” (Trump’s second favorite book behind the Bible, he says):

“I like thinking big. I always have. To me it’s very simple: if you’re going to be thinking anyway, you might as well think big. Most people think small, because most people are afraid of success, afraid of making decisions, afraid of winning. And that gives people like me a great advantage.”

Since being elected president, Trump has repeatedly told attendees at his campaign rallies that they should be so thankful he won because had Hillary Clinton won the economy would have collapsed and we would be at war with North Korea – among other catastrophes. (It’s, uh, impossible to prove these hypotheticals true or false.)

He quite clearly believes himself to be a great man of history. “It is much easier to act presidential than what we are doing here tonight, believe me,” Trump told an audience in 2017. “With the exception of the late, great Abraham Lincoln, I can be more presidential than any president that’s ever held this office.” He’s also compared himself favorably to George Washington when it comes to appointing judges.

“We’ll have more judges put on than any other president other than one,” Trump said in an interview with Hill.TV. “Do you know who the one is? George Washington. Percentage wise.”

The other element at work in Trump’s “chosen one,” uh, “joke” is his addiction to exaggeration and theatrics. Again, here’s Trump from “The Art of the Deal:”

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can get very excited by those who do. That is why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest, the greatest and the most spectacular.”

Trump is forever bragging about his audiences as record-setting. About the awards he has won (that don’t exist). About the many golf club championships he has won. About, literally, everything.

He’s also never really left behind his experiences as a reality TV star and executive producer. Trump is perpetually aware that he is on TV – and that the way the average person consumes his presidency is through bite-sized TV clips.

All of which makes his “chosen one” moment totally in keeping with who he is. Trump knows it will make good TV. He knows people will run with it. That his supporters will laugh and cheer and that his enemies will be triggered. It’s a provocative move – and Trump loves provocation.

“Chosen one,” then, isn’t just rhetoric. It’s a deeply held part of who Trump is – and always has been.