Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

Was that the one that was just tossed?

No, but it's understandable that "did you mean this case Trump lost?" doesn't narrow it down much. That was a change of venue. Trump is suing Merchan about the gag order.

EDIT: Or, maybe? I didn't see anything about a change of venue when Trump sued Merchan. In fact, I don't see how that's an outcome you can sue for.

EDIT EDIT: It appears Trump filed two separate motions. He's so tired of winning, he now wants to lose twice at a time.

[postman1782]

Huh, story has been updated in my link, it does appear to be the same one! Damn that was fast, at least.

Good, I don't think he has much left to appeal or try to slow the case down next Monday.

[Breccia]

So Trump took a risk on abortion. Simply put, he took the stance that states should get to decide, which is a negotiation that's uncharacteristic of him.

Nobody liked it.

Matthew Dowd — who served as chief strategist for former President George W. Bush’s 2004 reelection bid, argued former President Trump took the “worst possible political position” in his statement on abortion and should have gone for a 15- or 16-week federal policy on the procedure.

“I actually think he’s taken the worst possible political position,” he said Monday during an interview on MSNBC, adding later: “But from a political perspective, he would have been better off, I think, going for a 15-week or a 16-week federal policy on this because he can still motivate and there are some swing voters that agree with that online market.”

Dowd said he does not believe Trump’s stance will help the former president secure more votes ahead of November.

“It’s still going to motivate Democrats in the course of this, so Democrats are still going to be motivated,” he said. “Two, it’s going to demotivate part of Donald Trump’s base, as already evidence by some of the things they’ve said where they wanted a federal ban and they wanted to get rid of abortion not only in places like Texas, Florida but California, and New York.”

Dowd further argued Trump is still going to be forced to answer questions on this when a state takes action to restrict abortion.

“Because, he’s opened the door to say states can do whatever they want,” he said. “That means, he’s going to have to answer, ‘Well do you agree with what Florida did? Did you agree with what Texas did? Do you agree with Alabama, you agree with Mississippi?”

Dowd pointed to the perspective of Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who said he respectfully disagreed with the former president’s position and would continue to advocate for a federal limit on abortions after 15 weeks, with exceptions.

Trump clapped back at Graham and other conservatives’ criticism, writing on social media that the South Carolina Republican was “doing a great disservice to the Republican Party, and to our Country.”

Aww, Graham is taking another hit by Trump. Which he's just going to sit there and take. No wonder his wife's sleeping around.

“Terminating Roe v. Wade was, according to all Legal Scholars, a Great Event, but sometimes with Great Events come difficulties,” Trump wrote. “Many Good Republicans lost Elections because of this Issue, and people like Lindsey Graham, that are unrelenting, are handing Democrats their dream of the House, Senate, and perhaps even the Presidency.”

Oh, did Trump just start sowing seeds of how he was going to lose the election, that somehow weren't him being a horrible human being?

[Kathranis]

Here's a little help for the people that are primarily visual thinkers.



A sure sign that Trump is losing his marbles is that he's too out of it to do any of the meme stock lies and pumping that Elon Musk and Gamestop fans etc would do to cause it to do anything besides slide.

A real blow to the Trump-is-a-messaging-genius crowd, also the the editorial room at CNN/NYT.

I skimmed r/wsb a bit earlier just out of curiosity and fwiw almost everyone on that sub recognizes Trump is a conman and bought puts, expecting the stock to hit rock bottom at the end of this week or next week.

Anyone with an ounce of sense expects it to crater, which is why the fees on shorts and puts are so high.

[Dontrike]

And once again Trump is trying to delay a trial? Which one? Well of course it's the upcoming hush money case. What stupid thing did him and his lawyers think of? Well suing the judge of course. Based on what? That Trump has a gag order for being an orange, sorry cunt.

It is the eleventh hour for Donald Trump in his bid not to stand trial in his criminal hush-money case. So he’s planning a new, frantic measure: suing the judge.

Trump’s legal team is expected to file a lawsuit against Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan, who has reprimanded the former president’s lawyers for their conduct in court. The team’s latest genius move is to file an Article 78 action against Merchan, effectively asking an appeals court to throw out the gag order issued by Merchan against Trump and, crucially, to push a potential trial back until after the 2024 presidential election.

Trump, with the backing of Fox News, has previously attacked Merchan and his daughter. Now he’s attempting to have Merchan removed. The action, described by The New York Times as “unorthodox,” is reportedly unlikely to succeed. The lawsuit is not yet public, but sources familiar with the matter confirmed to the Times that the legal team will likely file on Monday.

The hush-money case is Trump’s first criminal trial on the calendar—expected to begin later this month. The news of the lawsuit comes not long after it was revealed that the surety company backing Trump’s $175 million bond in his civil fraud case does not have the funds to do so, and may not have legally promised to pay the penalty if his appeal is unsuccessful.

If we're lucky and Trump isn't this appeal will be looked at in less than a day after filing and tossed out 20 minutes later.

[postman1782]

And once again Trump is trying to delay a trial? Which one? Well of course it's the upcoming hush money case. What stupid thing did him and his lawyers think of? Well suing the judge of course. Based on what? That Trump has a gag order for being an orange, sorry cunt.



If we're lucky and Trump isn't this appeal will be looked at in less than a day after filing and tossed out 20 minutes later.

Already was tossed earlier.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...b3ed1a7a134643

[Dontrike]

Already was tossed earlier.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...b3ed1a7a134643

That seems to be Trump looking to change venue, the suit him and his lawyers hasn't happened yet, but that they are waiting to do it at the 11th hour (for the tenth time) in the next week.

[Gigantique]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-north-europe



Donald did a bit of the racism again this weekend when wooing donors.

The wealthy donors, unsurprisingly, thought the racism was funny.

Sorry Donnie, as a norwegian who actually lived in the US for ~9 months for my education I can safely say that I have no desire to go back. And that was in 2014, from what I can tell things aren't exactly BETTER these days.

Oh and it was also as a white, norwegian male. In North Dakota. So I was basically a celebrity.

[Breccia]

In this court filing Trump demands a subpoena for communications between Cohen and Stormy Daniels, flat-out accusing them of perjury.

Communications between two fact witnesses, and confirmation that the communications were deleted, constitutes admissible evidence of bias and hostility arising from the strong inference that the witnesses communicated in order to coordinate their false testimony. Communications between Clifford and other women who have sought to monetize sexual assault claims against President Trump are probative of Clifford's motive and intent to do the same through false trial testimony. At minimum, we are entitled to two types of responsive materials concerning these requests. First, Clifford has communicated with Cohen regarding the allegations in this case, including in connection with her appearances on his podcast. Second, Kathy Griffin has stated publicly that she participates in multi-party electronic communications that include both Clifford and Carroll on a daily basis. President Trump is entitled to this specific evidence of bias, motive, and hostility under the state and federal constitutions, and the evidence is appropriately subject to a defense subpoena pursuant to CPL § 610.20(3)4 particularly in light of public confirmation of some of the communications.

I'm also a fan of "sought to monetize sexual assault claims", which is a nice way of saying "a trial awarding damages for being sexually assaulted by my client Donald J. Trump, twice, because my client won't fucking shut up when I beg him".

Incidentally, by my own methods which should not concern you, I have a copy of the communications between Cohen and Daniels right here.

Cohen: Here is the $130,000 my client, Donald J. Trump, is paying you to have sex with him, and then not tell anyone.

Daniels: Okay, thanks. Hey, would it break the NDA if your client, Donald J. Trump, decided to subpoena us for the details of this exchange, which is highly illegal?

Cohen: Yes, if a judge issues a subpoena, especially one at the behalf of the other party in the NDA, it would be broken and you would be required to disclose this conversation on the stand under penalty of perjury. You would be required to say, honestly, that my client, Donald J. Trump, had sex with you and paid you $130,000 for the sex and the NDA.

Daniels: Thank you for answering my oddly-specific question about a highly unlikely turn of events.

[Paranoid Android]

Trump revives his wish that immigrants came from rich White countries

“When I said, you know, Why can’t we allow people to come in from nice countries, I’m trying to be nice,” Trump said, according to the Times. “Nice countries, you know like Denmark, Switzerland? Do we have any people coming in from Denmark? How about Switzerland? How about Norway?”

So in the article it refers to his 2018 remarks of "shithole countries" and comes back today saying that the only good immigrants just so happen to be from Europe and if you want to go deep here; countries with a sort of a Nordic background. You know countries that some might consider Aryan. Hmm?

The funny part is these Nordic countries kick our ass in so many numerous ways that a large or mass migration from these countries would never happen. Maybe we should tell Trump these countries have a strong socialist type government. Watch out! That might spread here if we let these vermin (snark) in.

[Odinfrost]

Trump revives his wish that immigrants came from rich White countries



So in the article it refers to his 2018 remarks of "shithole countries" and comes back today saying that the only good immigrants just so happen to be from Europe and if you want to go deep here; countries with a sort of a Nordic background. You know countries that some might consider Aryan. Hmm?

The funny part is these Nordic countries kick our ass in so many numerous ways that a large or mass migration from these countries would never happen. Maybe we should tell Trump these countries have a strong socialist type government. Watch out! That might spread here if we let these vermin (snark) in.

What? Huh? No. No no no. No we don't. Where did you ever get that idea? Us? Socialist? Perish the thought. We are true deep capitalists that would love to spread "our capitalism" to you. You can't find somewhere more capitalist than the scandinavians

[Shadowferal]

Donald Trump has fallen off Bloomberg's list of the world's 500 wealthiest people

A rather larger nail in his coffin.
If his continuous court losses haven't driven him over the edge, this just might do it.

[Breccia]

Sources tell WaPo that Trump's plan to end the Russia/Ukraine war -- yes, the one he refuses to tell anyone -- is just let demand Ukraine surrender.

As he seeks a return to power, the presumptive Republican nominee has frequently boasted that he could negotiate a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine within 24 hours if elected, even before taking office. But he has repeatedly declined to specify publicly how he would quickly settle a war that has raged for more than two years and killed tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians.

Privately, Trump has said that he thinks both Russia and Ukraine “want to save face, they want a way out,” and that people in parts of Ukraine would be okay with being part of Russia, according to a person who has discussed the matter directly with Trump.

Accepting Russian control over parts of Ukraine would expand the reach of Putin’s dictatorship after what has been the biggest land war in Europe since World War II. Some of Trump’s supporters have been trying to persuade him against such an outcome.

In his eight years as the GOP’s standard-bearer, Trump has led a stark shift in the party’s prevailing orientation to become more skeptical of foreign intervention such as military aid to Ukraine. Trump has consistently complimented Putin, expressed admiration for his dictatorial rule and gone out of his way to avoid criticizing him, most recently for the death in jail of political opponent Alexei Navalny. He has not called for the release of Evan Gershkovich, the Wall Street Journal reporter held in Russia for a year without charges or a trial.

Trump has refused to acknowledge Russia’s interference in the 2016 election and falsely blamed Ukraine for trying to help Democratic rival Hillary Clinton — a smear spread by Russian spy services. His attempt in 2019 to withhold aid to Ukraine unless Zelensky announced an investigation into Biden led to Trump’s first impeachment.

In a phone call with Zelensky that year that Trump said was “perfect,” the U.S. president pressured Zelensky to investigate Biden and the discredited theory that Ukraine and not Russia sought to interfere with the 2016 election. The GOP-controlled Senate later acquitted Trump.

"Does Trump not realize Ukraine wants out of the war, because they're being invaded and killed?"

I think he doesn't care. He's a sociopath.

- - - Updated - - -

Trump files in court a subpoena for Jeremy Rosenberg. Jeremy Rosenberg is the name of an ex-DA who Team Trump claims has files that will prove Trump is innocent in the upcoming hush money case.

"Why did you phrase it that way?"

Because Team Trump subpoena'd some random guy who happened to be named Jeremy Rosenberg. He showed up, said he had no files because he was not connected to the case in any way, said that Team Trump gave him a contact phone number that was disconnected so he couldn't tell them this, took the $15 "witness shows up" fee, and left.

Naturally, Team Trump handled this with the quiet, dignity, and grace, most often associated with circus ferrets on crack.

Despite the obvious misunderstanding, Trump's lawyer, Todd Blanche, doubled down on the validity of the subpoena, citing legal statutes and emphasizing the importance of obtaining the requested documents. The attorney, seemingly unaware that he’d apparently subpoenaed a random individual, described the response he received from (the unrelated) Rosenberg as “flippant and dismissive.”

"What is the correct way to say 'you have the wrong person' that isn't flippant and dismissive?"

A phone call. Which Team Trump did not permit. Because the number they gave him was disconnected.

[Corvus]

Sources tell WaPo that Trump's plan to end the Russia/Ukraine war -- yes, the one he refuses to tell anyone -- is just let demand Ukraine surrender.



"Does Trump not realize Ukraine wants out of the war, because they're being invaded and killed?"

I think he doesn't care. He's a sociopath.

Basically he wants to be this generations Chamberlain with a 'peace in our time' move giving away land to appease a fascist dictator. Obviously he never studied history or he would know just how well that worked.

[Kaleredar]

Basically he wants to be this generations Chamberlain with a 'peace in our time' move giving away land to appease a fascist dictator. Obviously he never studied history or he would know just how well that worked.

I think it’s a case of good ol’ “I know better than everyone while knowing almost nothing” that affects many of the rich and powerful.

[Azadina]

Basically he wants to be this generations Chamberlain with a 'peace in our time' move giving away land to appease a fascist dictator. Obviously he never studied history or he would know just how well that worked.

Now now, he has studied history bigly yuge. It's too bad that it's limited to reading Mein Kampf though.

[Flarelaine]

Basically he wants to be this generations Chamberlain with a 'peace in our time' move giving away land to appease a fascist dictator. Obviously he never studied history or he would know just how well that worked.

If he had studied history, he could know that it's the guy following Chamberlain and cleaning up after him who is remembered as a hero (despite his numerous flaws as a human being).

[Benggaul]

Small victories.

After months, Judge Cannon agrees to shield Trump witness names

Witness intimidation may be off the table. Unfortunately Cannon is still shilling hard for Trump's team which is making pretty much every legitimate legal expert in the country stare in open-mouthed shock followed by naked disdain, but until she's removed--which should have already happened given the amount of judicial blunders she's already made in probably the most sensitive case of the century--we'll have to take what we can get.

[Breccia]

"After months, Judge Cannon agrees to shield Trump witness names"

"Okay, okay, if it means that much to you, I'll do the bare minimum to not be thrown off the case."

[Odinfrost]

Small victories.

After months, Judge Cannon agrees to shield Trump witness names

Witness intimidation may be off the table. Unfortunately Cannon is still shilling hard for Trump's team which is making pretty much every legitimate legal expert in the country stare in open-mouthed shock followed by naked disdain, but until she's removed--which should have already happened given the amount of judicial blunders she's already made in probably the most sensitive case of the century--we'll have to take what we can get.

Doesn't really matter as long as she remains judge, as she will toss the case the first chance she gets during trial to give Trump Double Jeopardy immunity along with the prosecution unable to appeal.
Or, that's what I heard from the Legal Breakdown with BTC