Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Poopymonster]

Add two or three more zeros at the end of those fines and Trump might consider shutting up... but considering he hasn't yet in regards to E. Jean Carroll, I wouldn't hold my breath. But hey, we might bankrupt the RNC that way!

The fines are limited by laws over 3+ decades old, and the people in power (who are most likely to deal with these fines), won't let them be updated.

[The Stormbringer]

The fines are limited by laws over 3+ decades old, and the people in power (who are most likely to deal with these fines), won't let them be updated.

Oh goodie. I wondered why they weren't going any higher with that shit. Honestly it should be set as a percentage of your income or net worth...

[Breccia]

the only thing he's guilty of is being Biden's "chief political rival."

At some point, filing that under oath should get his lawyers sanctioned. This isn't a press conference, this is a courtroom. Claiming that the charges against you should be dismissed because someone else is the mayor/governor/President and not you would free 99.999% of all criminals. Trump also has no evidence that the charges were ordered as a hit. By contrast, there is evidence Trump ordered documents to be taken illegally.

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Contrary to the FAKE NEWS MEDIA, I don’t fall asleep during the Crooked D.A.’s Witch Hunt, especially not today. I simply close my beautiful blue eyes, sometimes, listen intensely, and take it ALL in!!!

Which part gives him away? Talking about his "beautiful blue eyes" or the "especially not today"?

Trump is lying. Anything Trump says while not directly under oath should be assumed a lie unless it's backed by evidence.

Incidentally witness testimony today involved a tech who investigated Cohen's phone to determine if the recordings were genuine. Reporters were leaving, Trump's lawyer was staring at her phone, and the jury stopped taking notes. Trump's eyes were closed. No, he wasn't listening. He was asleep.

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I'm under a gag order. I'm not allowed to testify because this judge is totally conflicted - has me under an institutional gag order. Nobody's ever had that before, and we don't like it, it's not fair.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updat.../?id=109854551

FOX News video *ding* for added value.

Well, okay, let's see if there's anything to this. Hey @cubby is there such a thing as a gag order that prevents you from testifying under oath? And if so, is the gag order Trump is under one of them?

[Mayhem]

Oh goodie. I wondered why they weren't going any higher with that shit. Honestly it should be set as a percentage of your income or net worth...

every fine should be set as a percentage

[Edge-]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/03/busin...aud/index.html

BF Borgers, Trump Media & Technology Group’s independent accounting firm, was charged by the Securities and Exchange Commission on Friday with widespread fraud and accused of operating a “sham audit mill.”

The SEC made no allegation of wrongdoing against Truth Social owner Trump Media (DJT), which is not mentioned in the charges from the regulator.

The SEC accused BF Borgers of “deliberate and systemic failures,” including “fabricating” audit documentation and falsely representing to clients its work would comply with accounting standards.

The agency described this as “massive” fraud taking place between January 2021 and June 2023 that impacted more than 1,500 SEC filings and more than 500 public companies.

The SEC imposed a severe penalty against BF Borgers, permanently suspending the firm from practicing as accountants before the agency effective immediately. The firm and its owner, Benjamin Borgers, also agreed to pay $14 million collectively in fines.

“Borgers and his sham audit mill have been permanently shut down,” Gurbir Grewal, director of the SEC’s enforcement division, said in a press release.

Public companies that have hired BF Borgers will need to find new accounting firms, the SEC alerted companies in a separate statement on Friday.

Trump Media announced plans to do just that.

“Trump Media looks forward to working with new auditing partners in accordance with today’s SEC order,” Trump Media spokesperson Shannon Devine told CNN in a statement.

rofl, this is so utterly unsurprising.

[Flarelaine]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/03/busin...aud/index.html



rofl, this is so utterly unsurprising.

OK, Trump Media faces no punishment for choosing a baaad accounting firm.

But seeing the tide of fuckery surrounding everything Trump I can't help wondering if Trump Media would survive an honest audit. And seeing the scrutiny Trump brings, will there be firms willing to deal with that steaming pile?

[Edge-]

OK, Trump Media faces no punishment for choosing a baaad accounting firm.

But seeing the tide of fuckery surrounding everything Trump I can't help wondering if Trump Media would survive an honest audit. And seeing the scrutiny Trump brings, will there be firms willing to deal with that steaming pile?

"why do people and organizations around Trump keep getting charged with, plead guilty to, or are convicted of the crime so often?!" sure is a question we'd assume more people would start asking at some point.

[Breccia]

permanently suspending the firm from practicing as accountants before the agency effective immediately

So Trump employs lawyers who can no longer be lawyers, and accountants who can no longer be accountants.

...what kind of insane person would want this man leading the country? He's a horrible judge of character and a horrible judge of professionals.

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is there such a thing as a gag order that prevents you from testifying under oath? And if so, is the gag order Trump is under one of them?

I want to stress Mr. Trump that you have an absolute right to testify at trial.

Just as you have the absolute right not to testify.

-- the judge in that case

Trump lied. Nobody is surprised. I should have given a 24-hour challenge, but there's nobody left to challenge. They know Trump does nothing but lie and they have no defense.

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Desperate, flailing, and having nothing to work with, Team Trump claims the evidence on Cohen's phone was planted by the FBI.

"Wait, this relates to the expert from yesterday that put Trump to sleep?"

No, Trump's still alive.

"Har har. Made Trump fall asleep?"

Well, no, Trump made Trump fall asleep. But yes, same witness. Prosecution clearly knew this baseless allegation was coming and headed it off.

"If it was fake, wouldn't Cohen say so?"

Team Trump is trying to paint a giant conspiracy organized by Biden. The more people who deny the conspiracy, the harder they'll push. What do they have to lose? Trump is objectively guilty.

[quote]Former U.S. attorney Joyce Vance said the exchange actually revealed Trump's lack of a good defense. "The 'they planted evidence' defense, especially in a white collar crime case is such a tell," she posted on social media, noting that Trump also deployed it after the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago and found top secret national security documents. "It's spaghetti thrown at the wall. If there was anything to it, Trump would have his own forensic experts to say so."

Andrew Weissmann, a former federal prosecutor who worked for special counsel Robert Mueller, was even more harsh in his assessment of Trump's legal strategy. "The 'someone planted the evidence' defense," he wrote, "is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

Hope Hicks also tried desperately to help. Specifically, she painted the picture that Trump was trying to hide the story from his wife, which of course would mean it wasn't election interference.

"Didn't Pecker directly refute that? Under oath?"

Yes.

"Didn't we know about this since 2009? Why would Melania somehow care right before the election?"

She wouldn't, the voters would.

"Didn't Trump cheat on one of his wives? With Melania? How would Trump being an adulterer affect her in any way?"

It wouldn't.

"Wait, if they payments were fake and the recording planted by the FBI, why would it matter what Melania had to do with it?"

You're trying to bring logic into a Team Trump action.

[Sunseeker]

So Trump employs lawyers who can no longer be lawyers, and accountants who can no longer be accountants.

...what kind of insane person would want this man leading the country? He's a horrible judge of character and a horrible judge of professionals.

Most of these people only know lawyers as "that guy who represented my neighbor after I shot his dog" and accounts as "that guy who looked through my finances after my wife divorced me".

So to them, laywers and accountants are terrible people who only exist to hurt the "little guy". They see Trump as "their guy" so when his lawyers are bad or his accountants are bad, that just reinforces them having a "shared experience". Just more proof that Trump is "one of them" or "on their side" and the rich, the educated, are all bad guys.

[Breccia]

Donald Trump Demands Jack Smith Be Arrested After Document Revelation

In a post on Truth Social, Trump demanded "ARREST DERANGED JACK SMITH. HE IS A CRIMINAL!" after federal prosecutors wrote in court filings that there are some boxes where the "order of items within that box is not the same" as they appear in digital scans of materials in the wake of the FBI retrieving them from Trump's Florida resort in August 2022.

Smith's office admitted that this is "inconsistent" with what the government previously told the court when they said that the only changes were some classified documents have been removed and placeholders put in the documents.

The court filings were in response to a request from Walt Nauta, one of Trump's two co-defendants in the federal case who is accused of helping the former president hide the materials from the FBI, for Judge Aileen Cannon for a delay in the trial as his lawyers are struggling to determine precisely where certain documents were retrieved from following the FBI search at Mar-a-Lago in August 2022.

In another Truth Social post, Trump accused Smith of "blatant evidence tampering" and called for the case to be thrown out.

"Wait, hold on. The court asked for documents to be handed over, the documents weren't where they were supposed to be, and Trump wants Smith arrested for that?"

Yes.

"...is he aware that's a confession?"

He didn't say it under oath. It's not a confession, it's just being fucking retarded.

"Dude, you can't use that word!"

Actually, right now I can, yes. The Mar-a-Lago case has been going on for going on two years now. This "revelation" about the evidence being in the wrong order changes nothing about the evidence being taken from his house. For Trump to say, after working with his lawyers for a year and a half now, that what Agent Smith did should put him in jail and drop charges against himself? That's not irony or a whoopsies. That's brain damage.

"You can't diagnose brain damage by someone trying to rally his base. Trump says false things all the time and even his base knows it."

Yeah, you're not changing my mind either, alternate voice in my head. For Trump to say the items he stole and hid are fine, but the cops who seized them but put them in the wrong order is a crime? I declare that to be evidence of Trump's learning disability until contradicted by a Trump supporter. And I have even more evidence.

"It has always been clear that the 'Documents Case' is nothing but an Election Interference Scam concocted by Crooked Joe Biden, Deranged Jack Smith, and their Hacks and Thugs," Trump wrote.

"Now, Deranged Jack has admitted in a filing in front of Judge Cannon to what I have been saying happened since the Illegal RAID on my home, Mar-a-Lago, in Palm Beach, Florida—That he and his team committed blatant Evidence Tampering by mishandling the very Boxes they used as a pretext to bring this Fake Case. These deeply Illegal actions by the Politicized 'Persecutors' mandate that this whole Witch Hunt be DROPPED IMMEDIATELY. END THE 'BOXES HOAXES.' MAGA2024!"

Since. Since the raid. He even used the word "mishandling" not claiming items were added that he didn't take.

"You're the one that keeps saying nothing Trump says off the stand matters. This isn't a court motion. What makes this one any different from his thousands and thousands of other known objective lies, misinformed rants, incomprehensible gibbering or other nonsense?"

Because, in public, to his base, he's demanding to be freed despite the evidence against him being unchallenged -- just in the wrong order -- while also demanding someone being arrested for taking his stolen documents and putting them in the wrong order. Not the wrong building, not lying about it, putting them in the wrong order. Accusing someone of a crime in a public way like that is the sort of thing most people would sue for defamation for, but Agent Smith isn't going to do that, he's too professional.

So I'm taking the stance that Trump is brain damaged to say something that completely retarded. This stance will remain until directly challenged by any Trump supporter, here, on these forums. These supporters have all but fled, of course, and most have me on ignore because they know they can't defend Trump. But maybe they'll notice if enough people say "Trump has a literal learning disability". All they have to do is come here and say "No, what Trump said isn't a literal learning disability because ____________" and they have a few fill-in-the-blank options.

"He was just angry and venting."

"He was lying to his base."

"He doesn't know how the laws work he's breaking and/or accusing Smith of breaking."

"He's sending a message to judges and/or the jury pool for future charges."

Probably others. All they have to do is pick any other explanation for "Trump demands he be freed from his charges, and Smith arrested, for putting the documents Trump stole in the wrong order." The very first post that does this from a Trump supporter and I drop that stance, in the spirit of fair debate -- a spirit they've not shown interest in, but I still do.

Until then, Trump is retarded, and I have evidence.

[cubby]

Well, okay, let's see if there's anything to this. Hey @cubby is there such a thing as a gag order that prevents you from testifying under oath? And if so, is the gag order Trump is under one of them?

Indeed there is not. The gag order has nothing to do with his testimony in court, and everything to do with speaking about anything going on regarding the trial (also, yes, I enjoy leading questions). Trump is beyond delusional at this point, and it's clear being ordered around is impacting his already-shaky mental health. Any other person, ANY OTHER PERSON, in the world, would have been jailed for the numerous violations to the court orders. My guess is they have no idea how to jail and ex-con-president.

[Endus]

My guess is they have no idea how to jail and ex-con-president.

They know how. The same way you imprison anyone else.

They're just fuckin' cowards. Pure, unadulterated cowardice. "His followers might riot"; you brutalize non-violent protestors with police, just fucking arrest the chucklefucks. "We might look biased against him"; you look biased in his favor right now, and that's [i]worse[i]. "We need to make sure this holds up on appeal"; enforcing gag orders falls secondary to the case he'd be able to appeal, and wouldn't factor in. And Trump's proven he's gonna file bullshit appeals anyway until he gets told he can't, so you're not even avoiding that outcome.

[Gorsameth]

They aren't afraid of riots. They are afraid of 'election interference' by jailing one of the two candidates.

[Poopymonster]

They aren't afraid of riots. They are afraid of 'election interference' by jailing one of the two candidates.

I'm not afraid of the bloody riots if he's jailed.
I'm afraid of the concentration camps if he wins in November.

[Gorsameth]

I'm not afraid of the bloody riots if he's jailed.
I'm afraid of the concentration camps if he wins in November.

If he wins the US will be lucky to still be a Democracy in 2028.

[Captain N]

They aren't afraid of riots. They are afraid of 'election interference' by jailing one of the two candidates.

But will he be jailed? I mean a lot of the chucklefucks that Endus mentioned carry a badge and a gun and support that clown.

[Kathranis]

My guess is they have no idea how to jail and ex-con-president.

It's not that they don't know how, it's that they don't want to take the political risk.

Jail has always been unlikely anyway, due to the lifetime secret service detail he's been afforded as a former president, unless the Democrats successfully pass H.R.8081.

If he needs to be imprisoned, special accommodations will be made, such as being sequestered in military housing or being placed under house arrest. The absolute farthest I could see it going would be the construction of a special federal holding facility.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Is it too late to get the ball rolling on "Drowsy Donny"?

[Twdft]

If he wins the US will be lucky to still be a Democracy in 2028.

Yeah good luck with that. He already said he's be a dictator, for one day.

If people tell you who they are, listen to them.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Yeah good luck with that. He already said he's be a dictator, for one day.

If people tell you who they are, listen to them.

If that were the case...we'd only have to worry about that first 24 hours. I'm sure it would be a terrifying 24...but after that...he says he won't be a dictator anymore.

I'm less worried about he says he'll do than about what he hasn't said yet.