Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Poopymonster]

If Daniel’s testimony was unfair to their client they probably should have objected to it.

They probably should have objected to it on legal grounds if there were any.
Or just not illegally pay your fixer to pay a porn star after you screwed a porn star while your wife was home with your baby which would avoid this whole situation.
*shrug*

[gondrin]

The biggest irony of this is if he actually told the truth about actually paying Daniels, the most he would get is a misdemeanor as it is falsifying business records. The felony part is using it as a means of swaying votes and interfering with an election.

Hell, there is a scene from the movie The Devil's Advocate that is similar to this where the main character is an attorney that has to defend a person who is similar to Trump. Thing he does different is to use the evidence in his favor.



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So, because everyone that has eyes and ears can see that Judge Cannon is pretty much running interference for Trump, she indefinitely delayed the start of his classified documents trial. I hope she gets booted off of the case because of this.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...830083b9e&ei=7

Trump documents trial start delayed indefinitely, judge orders

Donald Trump's trial in Florida on charges of illegally keeping classified documents after leaving office has been indefinitely postponed, a judge decided on Tuesday, greatly reducing the odds he will face a jury in either of the two federal criminal cases against him before the Nov. 5 U.S. election.

Trump, seeking to regain the presidency, previously had been scheduled to go to trial on May 20 in the documents case brought by Special Counsel Jack Smith, but the prosecution and defense had both acknowledged that date would need to be delayed.

U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon, who was appointed to the bench by Trump in 2020, said on Tuesday the trial would no longer begin May 20 but did not set a new date. Cannon scheduled pre-trial hearings to run through July 22.

Trump has pleaded not guilty to 40 federal counts accusing him of retaining sensitive national security documents at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida after leaving office in 2021 and obstructing U.S. government efforts to retrieve them.

Trump is the Republican candidate challenging Democratic President Joe Biden, who defeated him four years ago.

Smith faces significant obstacles to getting either federal case against Trump to trial before the election. Cannon is yet to rule on several legal issues crucial to the documents case and has signaled support for Trump's defense on some matters.

In a separate case brought by Smith involving Trump's efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss, the U.S. Supreme Court seems poised to recognize that former presidents have at least some immunity from prosecution over official actions. That outcome mostly likely would further delay Trump's election-related case as lower courts determine which allegations against him are covered by that legal shield.

Trump's lawyers had said a trial in the documents case should not start until after the election, but also suggested an Aug. 12 date in response to an order from Cannon to propose a timeline for the case. Smith proposed a July start date.

Trump's lawyers have worked to delay all four criminal cases he faces.

"We're in this absolutely unprecedented situation where a defendant is potentially going to have the power to shut down his own prosecution," said George Washington University law professor Randall Eliason, an expert in white-collar criminal cases. "That's an argument for getting the case to trial before the election."

Trump has been on trial in New York state court since April 15 on charges he unlawfully sought to conceal hush money paid to porn star Stormy Daniels before the 2016 election. He has also been charged in state court in Georgia over his attempts to overturn the 2020 election.

Trump has sought to portray all the legal cases against him as politically motivated.

The charges in the Florida case include violations of the Espionage Act, which criminalizes the unauthorized possession of national defense information, as well as conspiracy to obstruct justice and making false statements to investigators.

In an April Reuters/Ipsos poll, nearly a quarter of Republican respondents and more than half of independents indicated they would not vote for Trump if a jury convicts him of a felony.

If either federal case reaches a jury before the election, it would likely be in the weeks immediately before Nov. 5, an outcome sure to draw accusations of election interference from Trump's legal team.

"Any judge would take pause with the idea of trying a presidential candidate a month before the presidential election," said attorney Kel McClanahan, who specializes in national security issues and has represented members of the intelligence community.

But a Trump win in November may mean that neither case ever reaches a jury. As president, Trump could direct the Justice Department to drop the federal charges or seek to pardon himself.

Smith's team has pushed aggressive deadlines in the Florida case, arguing that the public has a right to a speedy trial. Prosecutor Jay Bratt told Cannon during a hearing that an autumn trial would not violate Justice Department guidelines that prohibit taking investigative steps close to an election that could impact the outcome of the vote.

Cannon has denied two bids by Trump to dismiss the charges, but several remain pending. She also has signaled that Trump's claims that the documents were personal records may be relevant to how she instructs the jury at a future trial, a decision that could lead to an appeal by prosecutors and more delays.

[Breccia]

The threats of jail are actually working.

"How can you tell?"

Trump pulled a tweet and delete, taking another shot at the judge on social media then removing the message.

Because he's a fucking coward and a fucking idiot. The internet never forgets.

This is unprecedented, no time for lawyers to prepare. No Judge has ever run a trial in such a biased and partisan way.

To be fair, Cannon hadn't delayed his case infinitely yet.

He is CROOKED & HIGHLY CONFLICTED, even taking away my First Amendment Rights. Now he’s threatening me with JAIL & THEY HAVE NO CASE -This according to virtually all Legal Scholars & Experts! Why isn’t the Fake News Media reporting his Conflict?

"Wait, did he mix up the judge and the prosecution?"

No. He's been saying the entire thing is a giant conspiracy. This was not an accident.

"Did he name a single one of 'virtually all' legal scholars and experts?"

No.

[Edge-]

The threats of jail are actually working.

"How can you tell?"

Trump pulled a tweet and delete, taking another shot at the judge on social media then removing the message.

Damn, I guess he wasn't willing to go to jail for the First Amendment.

Also, grats to his kids who got to listen to a porn star talk about how their dad raw dogged her shortly after the birth of Baron, against the wishes of Ms. Daniels (which sounds a bit non-consensual to me!).

I actually feel bad for Baron since as far as we know he's just a normal kid still, but I hope that it broke up Donnie Jr. and Eric. And I do wonder what Melania thinks about the witness testimony.

[Poopymonster]

The threats of jail are actually working.

"How can you tell?"

Trump pulled a tweet and delete, taking another shot at the judge on social media then removing the message.

Because he's a fucking coward and a fucking idiot. The internet never forgets.



To be fair, Cannon hadn't delayed his case infinitely yet.



"Wait, did he mix up the judge and the prosecution?"

No. He's been saying the entire thing is a giant conspiracy. This was not an accident.

"Did he name a single one of 'virtually all' legal scholars and experts?"

No.

His lawyers have some intern whose sole purpose at their firm is to watch for Trump to say ANYTHING online.
So he posted. Intern contacts lawyer. Lawyer contacts Trump "ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND?"
Bigly. Yuge mind. Jobs!
There is a discussion.
The discussion continues.
EILI5 for 20 minutes.
BAHleted.

[Gorsameth]

His lawyers have some intern whose sole purpose at their firm is to watch for Trump to say ANYTHING online.
So he posted. Intern contacts lawyer. Lawyer contacts Trump "ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND?"
Bigly. Yuge mind. Jobs!
There is a discussion.
The discussion continues.
EILI5 for 20 minutes.
BAHleted.

The prosecution then puts the 47 news sites that all reported on and displayed the text of said tweet before it was it deleted in front of the judge and argues that Trump is trying to avoid the gag order and has in fact violated it, yet again.

As said, the internet doesn't forget. And if Trump thinks he can still spread his message by posting and then deleting posts he will do so.

[Poopymonster]

The prosecution then puts the 47 news sites that all reported on and displayed the text of said tweet before it was it deleted in front of the judge and argues that Trump is trying to avoid the gag order and has in fact violated it, yet again.

As said, the internet doesn't forget. And if Trump thinks he can still spread his message by posting and then deleting posts he will do so.

That's when they beg circumstances "It's a step in the right direction that he took it down instead of screaming for his followers to kill you."
Bigly steps, I mean baby steps.

Which is bullshit.

[Paranoid Android]

JUST IN: Judge Aileen Cannon has indefinitely postponed Trump’s classified documents case in Florida.

She says she wants to resolve other pre-trial motions before setting a trial date.

https://twitter.com/AnnaBower/status...p7KRURQrw&s=19

Our judicial system is so effed. I have not resd up on any judicial experts on the bullshit here. How blatant it is. Again I'm guessing it's the system since Jack Smith seems to be handcuffed at every turn.

[postman1782]

https://twitter.com/AnnaBower/status...p7KRURQrw&s=19

Our judicial system is so effed. I have not resd up on any judicial experts on the bullshit here. How blatant it is. Again I'm guessing it's the system since Jack Smith seems to be handcuffed at every turn.

I hope Smith appeals it and just asks to remove her.

[Breccia]

I hope Smith appeals it and just asks to remove her.

The "some of the documents were out of order" just doesn't feel like it's worth this much hassle. I don't get it. Cannon is going to wait until Team Trump finally gets around to filing something, then schedule that hearing, then resolves that, then set a new date.

[Endus]

https://twitter.com/AnnaBower/status...p7KRURQrw&s=19

Our judicial system is so effed. I have not resd up on any judicial experts on the bullshit here. How blatant it is. Again I'm guessing it's the system since Jack Smith seems to be handcuffed at every turn.

This basically boils down to Cannon just openly admitting she's incompetent and incapable of actually doing her job. Fire her ass with cause.

[AntiFascistVoter]

Hello.... people that in 2016 said "you cant use judicial appointments to blackmail into voting for that shill hillary!"

As people in 2020 "putting trump on trial will backfire and make him stronger than ever".
*swirling the imaginary mag above her head on the witness stand*

[Edge-]

Hello.... people that in 2016 said "you cant use judicial appointments to blackmail into voting for that shill hillary!"

As people in 2020 "putting trump on trial will backfire and make him stronger than ever".
*swirling the imaginary mag above her head on the witness stand*

Does anyone know if any of his family showed up to support him today?

I know Eric the Dumber did the other week - the first of the Trump family to show any support for the patriarch. But were any of them present, in-person today, to listen to the adult film actress their father raw dogged shortly after his youngest son was born talk about the whole thing?

[gondrin]

Hello.... people that in 2016 said "you cant use judicial appointments to blackmail into voting for that shill hillary!"

As people in 2020 "putting trump on trial will backfire and make him stronger than ever".
*swirling the imaginary mag above her head on the witness stand*

Remember, it wasn't just any old magazine. It was one with his picture on the cover. A one premier issue of TRUMP Magazine with him on the cover. So he literally was getting off of knowing it was him spanking himself.

[NoiseTank13]

if I was on the jury I'd have several sprains and acl tears from cringing so hard

[Breccia]

Rudy Giuliani’s bankruptcy accountant took $12,000 from him and quit. Seems nobody is willing to sign what he claims are his financial records. Considering he filed for bankruptcy, that's not a great place for him to be.

Giuliani’s creditors likened the experience to being “on a hamster wheel,” in a separate filing on Tuesday detailing their efforts to hold Giuliani accountable “for his recurring and continuous misdeeds.”

Among other things, their complaints included multiple blown deadlines for filing monthly personal financial statements, which Giuliani only submitted over the last few days. But the reason he had fallen behind, his lawyer said, was because his accountant had bailed on him.

“Unfortunately, the Debtor originally had an accountant who was helping, however, he had a change of heart and indicated that he no longer wished to help prepare the monthly operating reports,” the filing said, though it did not specify exactly when the “change of heart” occurred.

Giuliani recently spent $120 at a grocery store and posed with the plastic bags, claiming Biden's economy was a problem. Then he dropped $160 on pizza, paid Rumble to host his videos, and lived in his multi-million dollar mansion. All while blowing the extended deadlines granted him for his bankruptcy to avoid the $148 million lawsuit from that time he intentionally defamed several innocent people, a case he lost by blowing deadlines.

[gondrin]

Rudy Giuliani’s bankruptcy accountant took $12,000 from him and quit. Seems nobody is willing to sign what he claims are his financial records. Considering he filed for bankruptcy, that's not a great place for him to be.



Giuliani recently spent $120 at a grocery store and posed with the plastic bags, claiming Biden's economy was a problem. Then he dropped $160 on pizza, paid Rumble to host his videos, and lived in his multi-million dollar mansion. All while blowing the extended deadlines granted him for his bankruptcy to avoid the $148 million lawsuit from that time he intentionally defamed several innocent people, a case he lost by blowing deadlines.

Someone should tell him about the Domino's deal online where you can get 2 items for $6.99 each. A medium pizza with 2 toppings(specialty pizzas and pan crust are extra), bread or pretty much any other menu item. I mean, if you paid $160 for some pizza, it better have been shipped in from Italy and cooked by legitimate Italian pizza makers with me watching them.

[Edge-]

Rudy Giuliani’s bankruptcy accountant took $12,000 from him and quit. Seems nobody is willing to sign what he claims are his financial records. Considering he filed for bankruptcy, that's not a great place for him to be.



Giuliani recently spent $120 at a grocery store and posed with the plastic bags, claiming Biden's economy was a problem. Then he dropped $160 on pizza, paid Rumble to host his videos, and lived in his multi-million dollar mansion. All while blowing the extended deadlines granted him for his bankruptcy to avoid the $148 million lawsuit from that time he intentionally defamed several innocent people, a case he lost by blowing deadlines.

America's Mayor, y'all!

[Dontrike]

So, because everyone that has eyes and ears can see that Judge Cannon is pretty much running interference for Trump, she indefinitely delayed the start of his classified documents trial. I hope she gets booted off of the case because of this.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...830083b9e&ei=7

You can practically tell that this "pretrial stuff isn't done yet" is the excuse that she needs to make up more excuses later to keep this going considering she's the reason a lot of that hasn't been complete and even more has been created. Corruption at its core.

The threats of jail are actually working.

"How can you tell?"

Trump pulled a tweet and delete, taking another shot at the judge on social media then removing the message.

I wouldn't be surprised if he made that post while a lawyer was present, someone got wind of it, and the lawyer took his phone and deleted it themselves.

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https://twitter.com/AnnaBower/status...p7KRURQrw&s=19

Our judicial system is so effed. I have not resd up on any judicial experts on the bullshit here. How blatant it is. Again I'm guessing it's the system since Jack Smith seems to be handcuffed at every turn.

I'm certain Smith is adding this to the list of things to get her removed. She's been riding this fine line for a long while and each one of these tips her over the edge of being removed. She's doing all of this in the hopes if she helps Trump enough and he gets elected that she'll be at the top for the next SCOTUS pick.

[postman1782]

The "some of the documents were out of order" just doesn't feel like it's worth this much hassle. I don't get it. Cannon is going to wait until Team Trump finally gets around to filing something, then schedule that hearing, then resolves that, then set a new date.

But postponing it indefinitely without a reason, isn't a good look for Cannon.