Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Very Tired]

But I thought the elections were rigged... So how is anything that happens supposed to hand Trump victory in November?

[gondrin]

So, if his picture of "Never Surrender yet is a picture of someone surrendering" is true, shouldn't that mean that Trump should try and flee somewhere? I mean, he never surrendered, right?

Right??

[Jtbrig7390]

It isn't much in the grand scheme of things but ill enjoy this. Rarely do you get to see some rich asshole get what is coming to them.

I love the meme going around as well (And, After all the dust settled. They suddenly realized Amercia had been saved by a Porn Star, The End).

I know that's over stating what is going on but ill still enjoy it.

Fuck that orange piece of shit and his supporters.

[Kathranis]

Well, that's at least one fewer vote for Trump since he can't vote for himself anymore.

But seriously, this pretty much scuttles any realistic hopes of getting elected. MAGA was voting for him regardless, anyone who would be swayed to support him by a conviction was already going to vote for him. But polling shows that a significant percentage of independents and moderates wouldn't vote for him if he was convicted. If even a fraction of those voters follow through and vote for Biden or abstain, he loses on the margins easily.

I feel like some people are losing track of how poorly MAGA has done over the past four years. The GOP is already in shambles as it is. This is just one more thing.

[postman1782]

Watching Cohen talk to the panel on MSNBC in studio, he's gotta be vindicated with this.

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Well, that's at least one fewer vote for Trump since he can't vote for himself anymore.

But seriously, this pretty much scuttles any realistic hopes of getting elected. MAGA was voting for him regardless, anyone who would be swayed to support him by a conviction was already going to vote for him. But polling shows that a significant percentage of independents and moderates wouldn't vote for him if he was convicted. If even a fraction of those voters follow through and vote for Biden or abstain, he loses on the margins easily.

I feel like some people are losing track of how poorly MAGA has done over the past four years. The GOP is already in shambles as it is. This is just one more thing.

Neither can Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, all of them are convicted felons now.

[Corvus]

Florida is very big on not letting felons vote, isn't it? Wonder how long it takes them to change that law, to exclude certain felons now.

[gondrin]

So, be on the lookout for the big manbaby to do his greatest hits at Trump Tower tomorrow at 11 AM.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...32453963389112

I wonder if an excuse will come up right at the last moment or if he will show up late to his own thing.

[Corvus]

Someone needs to ask those defending Trump just how this was a rigged sham trial when the verdict was reached by 12 random jurors that Trump's defence team helped select. The judge didn't reach a guilty verdict - those 12 unanimously did.

[Sunseeker]

Someone needs to ask those defending Trump just how this was a rigged sham trial when the verdict was reached by 12 random jurors that Trump's defence team helped select. The judge didn't reach a guilty verdict - those 12 unanimously did.

Incompetant sleepy Joe is actually a machivellian mastermind, or something.

Seems to be the hot take now that the man they all considered a senile puppet is also Lex Luthor.

[noidentity]

At the very least this will counter the Republican talking point of Trump not being convicted but that just means they will simply pivot to some other deflection.

Republicans have zero backbone.

[Moralgy]

Honestly I am shocked he is finally facing punishment for something he did in his life, I was sure he was gonna pull another get out of jail free card from somewhere.

[noidentity]

Honestly I am shocked he is finally facing punishment for something he did in his life, I was sure he was gonna pull another get out of jail free card from somewhere.

Unfortunately I doubt he will face jail time, I hope I'm wrong.

[Edge-]

So, be on the lookout for the big manbaby to do his greatest hits at Trump Tower tomorrow at 11 AM.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...32453963389112

I wonder if an excuse will come up right at the last moment or if he will show up late to his own thing.

Oh shit, that's 8AM PT. I'm already up by that point, but I'll wait for the recap because I'm mostly just expecting to have a big cry session.

[PACOX]

Florida is very big on not letting felons vote, isn't it? Wonder how long it takes them to change that law, to exclude certain felons now.

Eh, technically felons can restore their rights in Florida. DeSantis made sure it's as hard as legally possible though.

[gondrin]

Oh shit, that's 8AM PT. I'm already up by that point, but I'll wait for the recap because I'm mostly just expecting to have a big cry session.

Someone make a bingo card of what might be said there.

[s_bushido]

Someone make a bingo card of what might be said there.

Same pathetic shit he's been posting in ALL CAPS since it became obvious he wasn't going to win 2020, most likely.

[postman1782]

Latest NPR poll said that in a May 17th poll, that 17% of Republicans wont vote for Trump if he is convicted.

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/nx-s1...0the%20verdict.

[DarkTZeratul]

Someone needs to ask those defending Trump just how this was a rigged sham trial when the verdict was reached by 12 random jurors that Trump's defence team helped select. The judge didn't reach a guilty verdict - those 12 unanimously did.

I think what I saw was something stupid about the judges instructions basically requiring a guilty verdict.

[Breccia]

I think what I saw was something stupid about the judges instructions basically requiring a guilty verdict.

That was a statement Trump said, yes. Naturally, that should immediately call into question its veracity.

IT IS RIDICULOUS, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AND UNAMERICAN that the highly Conflicted, Radical Left Judge is not requiring a unanimous decision on the fake charges against me brought by Soros backed D.A. Alvin Bragg

Naturally, right-wind media and the rabid fanbase accepted this as fact.

NBC News takes it from here.

False reports about the jury instructions in former President Donald Trump's hush money trial have been spreading across right-wing media, leading to threats against the judge overseeing the case.

Several conservative news personalities, including some affiliated with Fox News, falsely claimed that Judge Juan Merchan, as one Fox News anchor put it in a viral post on X, "told the jury that they do not need unanimity to convict" Trump.

That's not true. Merchan instructed the jury on Wednesday that they "must conclude unanimously that a defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means," adding that they "need not be unanimous as to what those unlawful means were."

That means that jurors have to agree unanimously that Trump committed a crime by engaging in a criminal conspiracy to falsify records with the intent to commit one or more other crimes in order to convict him. But jurors can choose from three options about what those other crimes were: violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act; the falsification of other business records; or the violation of tax laws. Those "unlawful means" aren't charges themselves and would not result in separate convictions, so jurors do not have to unanimously agree on them.

Trump is mentally retarded, I'm going to keep saying that until a Trump supporter challenges this and so far none has -- that should tell you something. He's also ignorant of the law and constantly lies, possibly because he's insane. Anything he says off the stand should be assumed false until otherwise confirmed.

[gondrin]

I think what I saw was something stupid about the judges instructions basically requiring a guilty verdict.

In nearly any criminal trial, you have 3 verdicts. Acquittal(the jury does not find the defendant guilty), a hung jury(the jury cannot come to a unanimous decision with a few voting guilty and a few not guilty) or a guilty(the entire jury finds the defendant guilty).

In nearly any criminal trial, it always much be unanimous to reach a guilty verdict. Only in a civil trial is that not a thing.

The Trump cult is a dumb one. Every criminal trial I have watched, the judge always instructs the jury that they must come to a unanimous decision in order to find the defendant guilty.