Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Dontrike]

HuffPost has an interesting article about the various GOP members that have come out and said that Trump needs to withdraw from running.

[Gorsameth]

HuffPost has an interesting article about the various GOP members that have come out and said that Trump needs to withdraw from running.

I will admit, I laughed out loud

[postman1782]

49% of independents, 15% of Republicans, and 8% of MAGA won't vote Trump.

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/01/pol...pendent-voters

[Breccia]

49% of independents

This is still too low. I get that Trump is trying to sweep his dismal run up to the murderous insurrection and COVID under his rug (hardee har har) but it should be clear to everyone that there is only one goal for Trump, and that is Trump. Non-cultists should not be playing into his revenge fantasy.

[postman1782]

This is still too low. I get that Trump is trying to sweep his dismal run up to the murderous insurrection and COVID under his rug (hardee har har) but it should be clear to everyone that there is only one goal for Trump, and that is Trump. Non-cultists should not be playing into his revenge fantasy.

Losing 15% of Republicans and 8% of MAGA is a big deal though. That guarantees that Trump loses.

[draynay]

Losing 15% of Republicans and 8% of MAGA is a big deal though. That guarantees that Trump loses.

If they don't forget about it in the next five months.

[Breccia]

Losing 15% of Republicans and 8% of MAGA is a big deal though. That guarantees that Trump loses.

If those numbers hold, yes. Which you'd think they would, if Trump keeps going to court and losing over and over. For all the times Trump keeps saying he likes winners, I am curious how he can change that tune to somehow still include himself.

[Captain N]

This is still too low. I get that Trump is trying to sweep his dismal run up to the murderous insurrection and COVID under his rug (hardee har har) but it should be clear to everyone that there is only one goal for Trump, and that is Trump. Non-cultists should not be playing into his revenge fantasy.

Which makes the 68% who think Trump should just get a fine all the more disturbing.

[Breccia]

Which makes the 68% who think Trump should just get a fine all the more disturbing.

The chance of him going to jail before November is quite low. Right now the penalty is largely irrelevant to me -- he's a convicted felon. What matters is he's a convicted felon that people like the recent Trump cultists rushing here to change the narrative despite being absent for everything else will still vote for, while also demanding Biden go to jail for Something Something Corruption.

[Captain N]

The chance of him going to jail before November is quite low. Right now the penalty is largely irrelevant to me -- he's a convicted felon. What matters is he's a convicted felon that people like the recent Trump cultists rushing here to change the narrative despite being absent for everything else will still vote for, while also demanding Biden go to jail for Something Something Corruption.

I also don't expect to see him go to jail for this. However with 34 felony counts under his belt when the other trials happen and he's found guilty will those 68% change their mind? At point he'd have close to or more than 90 felony charges.

[Breccia]

At point he'd have close to or more than 90 felony charges.

This is where I'm hoping it goes. Now that he's been convicted once, well, now that he's been convicted thirty-four times, judges and juries should be less frightened of the idea. It's like when he was first charged -- floodgates.

[Benggaul]

Losing 15% of Republicans and 8% of MAGA is a big deal though. That guarantees that Trump loses.

You really need to stop using the word "guarantee" so often since you don't seem to know the definition. Given that there's still absolutely no certainty about the outcome in November you've used it incorrectly every single time.

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now that he's been convicted thirty-four times, judges and juries should be less frightened of the idea

This has also been my main takeaway from the verdict. For the past year or so it's felt as if the various cases were somewhat stalled because none of them wanted to be the first to make the attempt. Now that the "unprecedented" has happened it should give the other prosecutors a bit more confidence going forward. I'm not saying that means he'll definitely be found guilty in those other cases--though he absolutely should given that in at least two of them he's on record pretty much admitting he did the thing (claiming he was allowed to take those documents and on tape asking people to "find" votes)--but there should be a bit less uncertainty that convicting him is possible going forward.

[Breccia]

In the ongoing effort to make @Edge- happy, Trump accuses another Republican of election fraud.

Trump’s campaign sent a cease-and-desist letter to House Freedom Caucus Chair Bob Good’s (R-Va.) reelection campaign to stop producing yard signs and other merchandise that imply his backing of the congressman.

The Trump campaign sent the letter on Friday, a senior Trump campaign official confirmed to The Hill. It was sent after Good’s campaign utilized the former president’s image, name and Trump’s past support of the candidate to boost his reelection chances.

“To be clear, neither you nor your campaign are authorized to use President Trump’s name or the Campaign’s to falsely imply their support of your candidacy,” attorney David Warrington said in a letter obtained by The Hill. “Nor are you or your campaign authorized to claim that you represent or are otherwise associated with President Trump or the Campaign.”

The letter came just days after Trump announced his endorsement of Virginia state Sen. John McGuire, Good’s primary challenger who is looking to beat the House lawmaker in the June 18 primary.

“Producing and displaying materials that give the false impression that President Trump is supportive of your candidacy is a fraud on the voters of Virginia’s 5th Congressional District,” the letter said, which also featured a photo of a campaign sign with Trump’s name placed right above Good’s.

“It is an abuse of the voters’ trust to make such false statements,” Warrington added. “Further, if you are using President Trump’s name, image, or likeness in any of your fundraising materials implying that he supports your campaign—that is a fraud on the donors.”

Good backed Trump once DeSantis gave up, but Trump did not forgive him. Good showed images like this one the internet didn't forget including the words

President Donald J Trump
45th President of the United States

Congressman Bob Good is doing a wonderful job in Congress for the people of Virginia. A former wrestling champion, coach, and businessman, Bob has been a hard worker all his life. He is a proven conservative in Virginia’s 5th District and fights for Lower Taxes, cuts government spending, supports our Vets, and ensures our First Responders are respected and fully funded. Bob Good has my Complete and Total Endorsement!

Endorsement from 2022 Election

"Is that true?"

All of it, yes, including the honest and public display that it was a 2022 endorsement. Now, maybe there are yard signs or other images I don't see, but this evidence alone will not win a lawsuit for Trump.

"Wasn't there something about Trump demanding a cut of all donations to people he endorsed?"

Yes.

The is a first.

He wants a 5% cut from any GOP candidates that use his image or name for fund raising.

Obviously, Good isn't doing that, and instead using older images and hoping Trump supporters are not capable of seeing a trivial con job.

He's right.

[diller]

49% of independents, 15% of Republicans, and 8% of MAGA won't vote Trump.

Doesn't seem plausible to me, MAGA will 100% vote for Trump, otherwise they wouldn't be MAGA.

[s_bushido]

Doesn't seem plausible to me, MAGA will 100% vote for Trump, otherwise they wouldn't be MAGA.

I doubt the poll phrased it as "MAGA." But I'm sure that even among ardent Trump supporters, there are those who aren't completely lost in the cult and have some principles to at least tell a convicted criminal to get lost... Whereas previously they might have had plausible deniability about his criminality.

[Breccia]

Doesn't seem plausible to me, MAGA will 100% vote for Trump, otherwise they wouldn't be MAGA.

Disagree, some will be distraught and stay home crying into their single scoop of ice cream as the mental illusion they crafted for themselves cracks. Their God in chains.

[Shadowferal]

The MAGA idol looks like Hell. One foot in the grave-looking.

[ringpriest]

"Wasn't there something about Trump demanding a cut of all donations to people he endorsed?"

Yes.



Obviously, Good isn't doing that, and instead using older images and hoping Trump supporters are not capable of seeing a trivial con job.

He's right.

His campaign is going beyond that. Now they're straight-up threatening anyone who even asks Trump's donors for money, regardless of whether or not they're implying Trump's support:

“Any Republican elected official, candidate or party committee siphoning money from President Trump’s donors are no better than Judge Merchan’s daughter,” said Trump co-campaign manager Chris LaCivita. “We’re keeping a list, we’ll be checking it twice and we aren’t in the spirit of Christmas.”

And that's not an idle or rhetorical threat. Republican politicians live in fear of violence from Trump's supporters, directed at them or their families.

It's going to hurt Republicans badly down-ballot, though. Every dollar that goes to the campaign of convicted felon (and criminal organization head) Donald Trump will be used to pay his fines, line his pockets, and maybe even keep his lawyers around. But the one thing he's not going to be doing is spending on getting Republicans nominees get elected.

[Breccia]

His campaign is going beyond that.

I would love to see this come down to a lawsuit. Not just because the RNCivil War will be a thing of beauty, but I'm honestly curious if you can do that. Not using someone's name or likeness I get, more or less. If Trump supports someone publicly, and you say "Trump supported me publicly" I don't think Trump can demand a cut from a one-sided contract you never signed.

[Gorsameth]

I would love to see this come down to a lawsuit. Not just because the RNCivil War will be a thing of beauty, but I'm honestly curious if you can do that. Not using someone's name or likeness I get, more or less. If Trump supports someone publicly, and you say "Trump supported me publicly" I don't think Trump can demand a cut from a one-sided contract you never signed.

100% he can't.