Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Gorsameth]

I would love to see this come down to a lawsuit. Not just because the RNCivil War will be a thing of beauty, but I'm honestly curious if you can do that. Not using someone's name or likeness I get, more or less. If Trump supports someone publicly, and you say "Trump supported me publicly" I don't think Trump can demand a cut from a one-sided contract you never signed.

100% he can't.

[Breccia]

100% he can't.

In a reasonable situation, I would agree with you. I'd like to see a lawsuit anyway just so we don't rely on "reason" when talking about a Trump lawsuit.

[gondrin]

I would love to see this come down to a lawsuit. Not just because the RNCivil War will be a thing of beauty, but I'm honestly curious if you can do that. Not using someone's name or likeness I get, more or less. If Trump supports someone publicly, and you say "Trump supported me publicly" I don't think Trump can demand a cut from a one-sided contract you never signed.

Funny thing is, everyone else can legally use his conviction as a means to generate donations for their campaigns as it is public information. He would have no ability to sue. It doesn't mean that he won't, just that he would lose immediately.

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His campaign is going beyond that. Now they're straight-up threatening anyone who even asks Trump's donors for money, regardless of whether or not they're implying Trump's support:

And that's not an idle or rhetorical threat. Republican politicians live in fear of violence from Trump's supporters, directed at them or their families.

It's going to hurt Republicans badly down-ballot, though. Every dollar that goes to the campaign of convicted felon (and criminal organization head) Donald Trump will be used to pay his fines, line his pockets, and maybe even keep his lawyers around. But the one thing he's not going to be doing is spending on getting Republicans nominees get elected.

Honestly, I am seriously hoping this cripples the GOP to the point where they have to excise the cancer they have let grow. Let them fracture. The biggest thing of him being actually convicted of being a felon is that heavy GOP states that have laws preventing felons from voting will actively have to rethink this stance.

[Gorsameth]

The "hope" is that Trumps greed destroys the GOP down-ticket and Trump still loses.

There were already complaints in the past election about Trump funnelling to much money to himself that would otherwise be spend on helping Republicans win House/Senate seats, and he is only ramping it up and up. And he now controls the RNC directly to funnel more to himself instead of other Republicans.

[Shadowferal]

His pugnacity and belligerent attitude will alienate.
...of course I'm still uncertain if he'll even make it to November. He looks like he's nearing a stroke.

[D Luniz]

His pugnacity and belligerent attitude will alienate.
...of course I'm still uncertain if he'll even make it to November. He looks like he's nearing a stroke.

if not for his "im stronk, stonkest there is!!" persona, Im sure he would be trying to be seen nonstop in a wheelchair mumbling "Im too weak" like palpatine.

[gondrin]

if not for his "im stronk, stonkest there is!!" persona, Im sure he would be trying to be seen nonstop in a wheelchair mumbling "Im too weak" like palpatine.

Nah, Palpatine actually was strong.

It is more like this scene from the movie Casino.

[Breccia]

He looks like he's nearing a stroke.

We're in the area where his public words and actions mean he could be mentally retarded, or he could have already had the stroke. He continues to deny he said things that he clearly said.

FOX News: You famously said, regarding Hillary Clinton, ‘Lock her up.’ You declined to do that as president. *ding*

Trump: I beat her. It’s easier when you win. They always said, ‘Lock her up.’ And I could have done it, but I felt it would have been a terrible thing.

And then this happened to me, so I may feel differently about it. I can’t tell you, I’m not sure I can answer the question.

Hillary Clinton — I didn’t say, ‘Lock her up,’ but the people would all say, ‘Lock her up, lock her up.’ OK. Then we won, and I said pretty openly, I’d say, ‘Alright, come on, just relax. Let’s go. We gotta make our country great.’

Here is a compilation video, but again, not necessary. FOX News called him out. That alone tells you it happened and they likely have multiple clips.

In the same interview *ding* Trump also claimed he was fine with going to jail, but his supporters might not be.

I'm ok with it. I think it would be tough for the public to take. You know at a certain point there's a breaking point.

If that sounds like goalposts have been moved, they were. Trump had also suggested, one might even argue encouraged, uprising and violence if he lost the election, then charged, then arrested, then tried.

Here is just one example.

What kind of person can charge another person, in this case a former President of the United States, who got more votes than any sitting President in history, and leading candidate (by far!) for the Republican Party nomination, with a Crime, when it is known by all that NO Crime has been committed, & also known that potential death & destruction in such a false charge could be catastrophic for our Country? Why & who would do such a thing? Only a degenerate psychopath that truely hates the USA!

Then he shared a post from a supporter who said there is a war coming between Trump supporters and other Americans.

"The establishment is trying to start a war in an effort to dissolve the U.S. constitution," podcaster and MAGA supporter Tim Pool posted on Twitter. In another post published on the day of the verdict, he simply wrote: "War." Pool has 2 million followers.

So I don't think Trump is predicting violence. Or, at least, he shouldn't. He suggested there would be violence personally last time and there wasn't. At this point, he's hoping there will be violence. But I have said several times he's used up his most violent followers already, Jan 6th of course. He asked for an army, and the most willing cannon fodder were arrested, tried, and convicted in tears.

But I digress. A normal, rational person could not possibly have thought he never said "lock her up" and there's plenty of objective evidence that he said it, multiple times. He's lying, senile, or retarded.

[Shadowferal]

He said he'd be fine with house arrest too. Except I'm not sure Melania would like that.

[Breccia]

He said he'd be fine with house arrest too.

Fine with that? That's highly out of character. He wants to be at those rallies.

[Shadowferal]

Fine with that? That's highly out of character. He wants to be at those rallies.

He said it, but yea, he's full of shit.

[Gorsameth]

He said he'd be fine with house arrest too. Except I'm not sure Melania would like that.

Oh Melania will simply go live in a different house. Knowing Trump cant come to that different house has to be a massive source of relief.

[Edge-]

He said it, but yea, he's full of shit.

He was going to testify in multiple court cases, too. So full of shit indeed. If he gets house arrest he's gonna act like he's Jesus, nailed to the cross, and nobody has suffered worse than him. Stuck on his luxury resort.

[Kaleredar]

He said he'd be fine with house arrest too. Except I'm not sure Melania would like that.

Well of course he means "house arrest, but anyone can come visit me, I have unlimited contact with the outside world and I'm free to leave whenever I want."

[Breccia]

Well of course he means "house arrest, but anyone can come visit me, I have unlimited contact with the outside world and I'm free to leave whenever I want."

Ah, that does line up with Trump's knowledge of the law. Remember that time he asked for the death penalty for five innocent men? They sure remember.

Raymond Santana, one of New York City’s wrongly accused “Central Park Five,” said Donald Trump’s conviction on 34 felony counts of business fraud was a case of karma in action.

CNN’s Victor Blackwell explained that Santana was one of five Black and Brown teenagers who were “charged, tried, and convicted” of beating a raping a woman in New York’s Central Park in 1989.

“Donald Trump paid for full-page ads in New York City newspapers. He called for the death penalty to be reinstated in New York. Trump wanted these boys killed!” Blackwell said. “In 2002, a convicted rapists and murderer confessed to the Central Park rape, and the Central Park Five became ‘The Exonerated Five.’ But Trump has never acknowledged their innocence or apologized.”

Santana spoke about what it was like to hear that Trump was now a convicted felon.

“For me, it was about karma,” Santana said. “It was the example of, this is what happens when rich billionaires who stand on white privilege now have to answer, right?”

He had more to say, but you get the point. It would be completely on brand for Trump to think being allowed to stay in a hotel for a few months/years as if he'd never been found guilty of thirty-four counts of election fraud would be an appropriate lack of consequence for someone as white as he is.

[Edge-]

https://thehill.com/homenews/4699192...staten-island/

A bus covered in pro-Trump signs smashed into a power pole in Staten Island, N.Y., on Sunday, hours before a rally for the former president nearby.

The bus, every inch plastered with signs supporting former President Trump, reportedly rolled down an incline and was seriously damaged running into the pole, according to a video of the aftermath.

“It was parked by the CVS and it just rolled down,” says a man in the video, off camera. “Nobody was in it.”

“This, right after Trump gets declared guilty,” the man jokes.

An entire side panel of the bus was ripped off by the crash, and debris including multiple pro-Trump signs littered the ground around the site.

Trump was convicted Thursday of 34 felony counts of falsifying business documents, the first time a former president has ever been convicted of a crime. He has appealed the ruling.

The former president’s sentencing is scheduled for July 11. He could face up to four years in prison.

Evidence that we're actually part of an intergalactic reality TV show and the producers are stepping in to heighten the drama, increases. But really, this is fucking hilarious (since nobody was injured).

[Dontrike]

He said it, but yea, he's full of shit.

He's trying to act tough, that' all. If he does this then his drunken rubes will think he's strong and act on his behalf.

[Poopymonster]

https://thehill.com/homenews/4699192...staten-island/



Evidence that we're actually part of an intergalactic reality TV show and the producers are stepping in to heighten the drama, increases. But really, this is fucking hilarious (since nobody was injured).

...you say that, and I'd totally be down for some work in the Body Shoppe from Spiral.

[Breccia]

The ‘Sentencing’ for not having done anything wrong will be, conveniently for the Fascists, 4 days before the Republican National Convention. A Radical Left Soros backed D.A., who ran on a platform of ‘I will get Trump,’ reporting to an ‘Acting’ Local Judge, appointed by the Democrats, who is HIGHLY CONFLICTED, will make a decision which will determine the future of our Nation?

The United States Supreme Court MUST DECIDE!

"Why did Trump capitalize sentencing and put it in quotation marks?"

I assume because he thinks he won't face consequences, appealing whatever punishment he gets. Any jail, probation, or house arrest is likely going to be stayed pending appeal, because the rules for normal people don't apply to Trump.

"Does having an election donation from another person make you corrupt or biased?"

Trump would know. Remember that time Trump asked oil companies for a billion dollars, promising to ban EVs? He's just throwing the name Soros around like he's never backed a pedophile or appointed a rapist.

"Why did Trump capitalize acting and put it in quotation marks?"

I assume because he reads my posts, saw I put that word in italics, and wanted to do something different.

"What's the problem with a local judge for a local case?"

There isn't one. It'd be strange if the judge he was talking about was from Wyoming.

"Does being appointed by one political party make you biased?"

Well Trump is asking SCOTUS to free him, so this is just hypocrisy. If the judge he's talking about is biased because he was appointed by Democrats who aren't Bragg, the justices appointed by Trump are biased too. Both or neither, motherfucker.

"Will SCOTUS step in before NYState's appeals courts finish?"

I don't think they do that sort of thing much, and this case is enormous, but doesn't seem like the time to get involved. They'll wait for the election, for Trump to lose, then admit they owe him nothing and refuse to take the case Trump has objectively lost very badly.

"Does Trump have any other options?"

Speaker Johnson has said something on the topic.

We are the rule of law party. Chaos is not a conservative value. We have to fight back, and we will with everything in our arsenal. But we will do that within the confines of the rule of law.

"What can Congress do, within those confines?"

Nothing. This is a NYState case. Best they could do is try to pass a law real quick that says "Trump cannot be found guilty of his crimes" and hope Biden signs it. Good luck.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...e_in_my_whole/

The defeated, half-hearted, empty, reflexive, "Go fuck yourself and your motha" at the end of this is going to live in my head rent free for a long time. Just the New Yorker-ness of it. Even as this mans world is shattered and he's going through extreme grief, he's still reflexively being a New Yorka.

For me,what makes it even better is that he says "Go fuck yourself and your mother" immediately after saying "I hope we can find a way to love each other"