Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

It has not been a good day to be Donald Trump.

1) Trump went on Hannity, his safe space, and talked about addiction.

Because I understand the addiction world. And I have also — not only a brother. I have lost a lot of friends to addiction, drugs, alcohol. And there are other addictions also, frankly. It would be nice if people would do certain things and live certain ways.

But you’re not able to — they’re just not able to break it. I have had — I have had friends that are so strong. My brother was a strong person. I have had friends that were so strong, so powerful, they couldn’t stay away from a glass of alcohol. They couldn’t stay away from a drug. They had to have a drug.

Okay, now this is pretty meaningful. I have said, multiple times, Trump's stance on addiction is the one thing I actually admired in his 2016 run more than Clinton. It would have made sense, given his family history, that he'd take such a big issue seriously. Now, we know he didn't, but it made sense at the time.

And it sounded like he was going the same way.

Until the very next line.

But you know the way that you solve the problem? Don’t have them.

(personal anecdote skipped)

I say the way you stay away, just don’t drink. Just don’t have it. If you don’t have drugs, if you don’t experience early on, you’re not going to have a need for it. You’re not going to have an addiction. If you don’t drink alcohol, you’re not going to have an addiction. You’re not going to have this insatiable urge to have a drink.

And I say that to people with your children. They ask me, what do you think and, children, what do you tell them? I say, no drugs, no alcohol. I also say, no cigarettes. Don’t have the cigarettes. Don’t have cigarettes. Don’t have them. I have friends that can’t stop smoking. If they never had a cigarette before, they’d have no problem.

When I look at a friend that can’t stop smoking, I don’t understand why it’s hard to stop. There’s smoke all over the place. The fact is, if you never had a cigarette — I never had a cigarette. I have no urge to smoke. But if you are, you get addicted. It has something, and you just can’t stop.

That's right: the solution to addiction is "don't use it". Which demonstrates Trump doesn't know how addiction works. Also, for a sociopathic narcissist who tried to skip his felony trial to have people chant his name, he is an addict.

Anyone else here getting major Nancy Reagan vibes? How well did "just say no" work?

2) I do want to head this one off: when Trump said

By the way, isn't the breeze nice. Do you feel the breeze? I don't want anybody going on me. We need every voter. I don't care about you. I just want your vote. I don't care

He followed this with

See now, the press will take that, and they'll say, 'He said a horrible thing'

to laughter. He was joking. It was a morbid, dark joke, and not funny, but he didn't really mean it. He was being a sociopath, not a manslaughterer.

3) Laughingstock Ken Paxton took time away from being impeached to release an attack ad against Biden, showing bad things happening at the border.

The footage was from 2018. Trump was in the WH then.

4) Speaker Greene says Trump is a convicted felon, just like Jesus.

The Democrats and the fake news media want to constantly talk about ‘President Trump is a convicted felon'. Well, you want to know something? The man that I worship is also a convicted felon. And he was murdered on a Roman cross.

So, once again, I'm just going to call out Trump supporters to comment on that. She did say this at Trump's NV rally, it did get applause. It is reasonable to believe, therefore, that Trump supporters agree with this comparison.

All y'all have to do is simply say one thing on that topic, such as "I don't think that's a fair comparison". One thing. I'll even give you two weeks. Past that, I get to quote you as agreeing with it.

Think about that as he sees his probation officer today.

[Logwyn]

Neither was Obama, as far as I recall.




Donalds is from Florida, so can't be on the ticket.

The President and VP can be from the same state just the electors have to choose one to cast their votes for. I would assume they would vote for the Presidental Canidate and could throw the VP into the Senate.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...a/73998316007/

[Gorsameth]

The President and VP can be from the same state just the electors have to choose one to cast their votes for. I would assume they would vote for the Presidental Canidate and could throw the VP into the Senate.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...a/73998316007/

So a Trump/Rubio ticket, that wins (bad timeline right there) but the Democrats win the senate, appoint Harris as VP who basically has no power but in the hope that nature finally takes its course and Trump croaks, which would lead to President Harris riding out the term.

[Flarelaine]

The President and VP can be from the same state just the electors have to choose one to cast their votes for. I would assume they would vote for the Presidental Canidate and could throw the VP into the Senate.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...a/73998316007/

Yes, that's how it works but unless it's a landslide it would mean giving up on Florida's electors for the VP spot at least. And that might mean control of the Senate, depending on other races.

[Azadina]

That's right: the solution to addiction is "don't use it". Which demonstrates Trump doesn't know how addiction works. Also, for a sociopathic narcissist who tried to skip his felony trial to have people chant his name, he is an addict.

Tried my best to find a hint to his earlier idea of a solution from 2016, but I guess he's made slight progress. As I recall, it was "kill the druggies".

[Surfd]

That's right: the solution to addiction is "don't use it". Which demonstrates Trump doesn't know how addiction works. Also, for a sociopathic narcissist who tried to skip his felony trial to have people chant his name, he is an addict.

It's even worse than that. He's not saying "don't use it". He's literally suggesting that the solution to being an addict is that you should have just never become one to begin with. Like, what? Should the addicts just hop in the time machine at the local clinic, travel back to visit their teenage self, and slap the shit out of them before they try the weed, or the booze, or the cigs? Sounds like a surefire solution to me.

[Breccia]

It was not a good day to be Donald Trump.

1) Biden has been running an ad, featuring Trump calling fallen American war heroes "suckers" and "losers".

Trump is calling it Fake News.

Trump again denied referring to dead U.S. soldiers as “suckers” and “losers” after President Biden stopped at the cemetery in France on Sunday that Trump did not visit during his own trip to the country in 2018.

“Obviously, I never said that dead Soldiers are ‘losers and suckers.’ Who would say such a thing?” Trump posted on Truth Social, calling the accusation “made up disinformation” coming from his opponents.

“Anytime you see that despicable FAKE statement used, remember that it comes from the FASCIST SCUM that is destroying our Country,” Trump posted.

He's right, of course. The statement did come from a fascist trying to destroy the country.

2) Trump isn't just losing his gun license for being a convicted felon. He could lose his liquor licenses as well. Three of his New Jersey golf courses have bars and, well, felons can't have liquor licenses.

3) FOX News *ding* conspires with the GOP to throw Trump a lifeline and failed miserably.

A previously-unreleased video taken on Jan. 6, 2021 shows then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., saying she takes "responsibility" for law enforcement's lack of preparedness when a mob stormed the U.S. Capitol that day.

A Tweet on X by a House Republican panel contains video that appears to show a frustrated Pelosi being evacuated from the Capitol complex and in intense conversation with Chief of Staff Terri McCullough about how the evacuation was conducted.

"We have responsibility, Terri."

"Wait, no, that sounds like FOX News taking a swing at Pelosi."

It does. Until you read the very next line. Or the next few.

"We did not have any accountability for what was going on there. And we should have," Pelosi says in the video, which was reviewed in its original form by Fox News Digital. "This is ridiculous. You’re going to ask me in the middle of the thing when they’ve already breached…that, should we call the Capitol Police? I mean the National Guard? Why weren’t the National Guard there to begin with?"

Her aide appeared to reply that Capitol security did believe they were prepared, to which Pelosi continued, "They clearly didn’t know, and I take responsibility for not having them just prepared for more."

"Oh, so they admit she said that she could do nothing but warn them it would be bad. I guess that wasn't any help after all."

Oh, it gets worse.

"It’s stupid that we should be in a situation like this, because they thought they had what- they thought these people would act civilized? They thought these people would give a damn?" Pelosi said. "What is it that is missing here in terms of anticipation? They give us a piece of paper that says walk through the tunnel, don’t walk outside. That’s your preparation?"

When reached for comment on the video, a spokesperson for Pelosi told Fox News Digital, "Numerous independent fact-checkers have confirmed again and again that Speaker Pelosi did not plan her own assassination on January 6th."

"As the footage in its entirety plainly shows, Speaker Pelosi sprang into action in response to the attack on the Capitol — mobilizing the defense of the Capitol, urging the Administration to deploy the National Guard and coordinating the continuity of government. Cherry-picked, out-of-context clips do not change the fact that the Speaker of the House is not in charge of the security of the Capitol Complex — on January 6th or any other day of the week," the spokesperson said. "Three years later, House Republicans are still attempting to whitewash the deadly insurrection."

FOX News then quotes the GOP as saying that Trump was not responsible for the riot. Um, even if Pelosi was in charge of the National Guard and the Capitol Police (she objectively was not) and even if she did not call them, neither of these are any kind of excuse for Trump. Even if Pelosi didn't stop the riot -- again, that's objectively false -- she did not start it. You don't get to, oh I don't know, shoot Donald Trump in the face, then say "the Secret Service didn't stop me, arrest them instead of me."

4) But all of these fail to capture how bad Trump has it.

His mental health has jumped the shark.

So I said, let me ask you a question, and he said, nobody ever asked this question and it must be because of MIT, my relationship to MIT. Very smart.

He goes, I say, what would happen if the boat sank from its weight? And you’re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery and the battery is now underwater and there’s a shark that’s approximately 10 yards over there, by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately, do you notice that a lot of shark?

I watched some guys justifying it today. Well, they weren’t really that angry. They bit off the young lady’s leg because of the fact that they were, they were not hungry, but they misunderstood what who she was? These people are.

He said there’s no problem with sharks. They just didn’t really understand a young woman swimming now. It really got decimated and other people do a lot of shark attacks.

So I said, so there’s a shark 10 yards away from the boat, 10 yards or here, do I get electrocuted if the boat is sinking? Water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking. Do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted?

Because I will tell you he didn’t know the answer. He said, you know, nobody’s ever asked me that question. I said, I think it’s a good question. I think there’s a lot of electric current coming through that water. But you know what I’d do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted, I’ll take electrocution every single time.

"Hey, that source doesn't list the whole thing!"

You're right. USA Today gave the summary. I got the rest from C-SPAN. They have the entire video, they have the entire transcript. Good luck calling C-SPAN fake news.

"Why was the boat in question sinking?"

Trump did not say, but immediately afterwards he claimed we would have to rebuild every bridge in America because of batteries in electric trucks. So I assume Donald "MIT" Trump thinks people would make electric boats that run on batteries, not factor in the weight of the battery, and the boat would sink. He did suggest trucks needed five or six batteries the size of tanks. Um, tanks weigh dozens of tons. No, truck batteries do not weigh that much.

Or, I guess the boat could be sinking for some other reason that would have sunk any other boat, meaning the EV part is useless.

"Do batteries electrocute people near them in water?"

No. And apparently it wasn't true last time Trump said it, either. AC and DC are different, for starters. A circuit wants to be completed, and that does not typically involve electricity running 10 feet from the boat, going through a human being, then running ten feet back.

"Wouldn't the fuel for the boat be a risk, due to catching fire?"

I mean, there'd have to be a spark or something.

"Wouldn't the battery electrocute the shark?"

At this point you're being ridiculous.

"Trump started it."

[PhaelixWW]

"Wouldn't the fuel for the boat be a risk, due to catching fire?"

IIRC, liquid gasoline isn't really all that flammable; it needs a certain mixture of air, which is why it's gasoline vapor that's easily ignitable, not the liquid fuel. A submerged ship would be at pretty damn low risk of fire, explosive or otherwise, from an electric battery.

[Odinfrost]

I swear, Trump will blame your bad toast on the electric engine.
Anything to please his bribers

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

IIRC, liquid gasoline isn't really all that flammable; it needs a certain mixture of air, which is why it's gasoline vapor that's easily ignitable, not the liquid fuel. A submerged ship would be at pretty damn low risk of fire, explosive or otherwise, from an electric battery.

Whoooooooooosh

[Gigantique]

Transcripts of Trump's... Uhh, "speeches" are always such a fascinating read since it strips away the Trumpism and lays it so bare just how incoherent and absolutely moronic the sentences are. And calling them sentences is borderline charity at this point.

[Orange Joe]

IIRC, liquid gasoline isn't really all that flammable; it needs a certain mixture of air, which is why it's gasoline vapor that's easily ignitable, not the liquid fuel. A submerged ship would be at pretty damn low risk of fire, explosive or otherwise, from an electric battery.

Liquid fuel (regular gas used in most boats)is still flammable what you are thinking of is explosive. liquid fuels doesn't become explosive unless mixed with air.

[diller]

IIRC, liquid gasoline isn't really all that flammable; it needs a certain mixture of air, which is why it's gasoline vapor that's easily ignitable, not the liquid fuel. A submerged ship would be at pretty damn low risk of fire, explosive or otherwise, from an electric battery.

gasoline is super flammable, maybe you were thinking of diesel.

[Flarelaine]

It's even worse than that. He's not saying "don't use it". He's literally suggesting that the solution to being an addict is that you should have just never become one to begin with.

For the record, I agree, that is probably the simplest way to beat addiction.

But preaching that to people already addicted is useless, stupid and sanctimonious.

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I believe I've read somewhere that a factor in America's success in the Pacific Theatre was that American fighter planes had a rubber lining in their fuel tanks that contracted as fuel was consumed so even a hit to the tank did not blow them up. The Zero, however cutting edge it was, did not have one so its tank filled up with fumes that exploded at the first chance.

[Edge-]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...rs-1235036263/

Trump also went on multiple tangents about his teleprompters not working. “I’ve got no teleprompters, and I haven’t from the beginning,” he said. “I pay all this money to teleprompter people, and I’d say 20 percent of the time they don’t work. The thing’s waving around, they can’t tie it a little bit tighter? So we’re all in this together — just a mess!”

Donald Trump took time at his rally this weekend to complain about teleprompters, again.

“Tell them to make the microphone louder. It’s terrible! Are the teleprompters not working? Not even a little bit,” Trump said. “Great job! And then I don’t pay the company that does it, right? Then I end up with a story, ‘Trump doesn’t pay.’ I don’t pay contractors that do a shitty job, and that’s a shitty job. You can’t read a word. But you know what, it usually ends up that the speech is better. It’s crazy.”

Well, if they violated their contract, don't pay them. If they just did a bad job, which appears consistent, maybe stop going with the cheapest/lowest bidder?

[Templar 331]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...rs-1235036263/



Donald Trump took time at his rally this weekend to complain about teleprompters, again.



Well, if they violated their contract, don't pay them. If they just did a bad job, which appears consistent, maybe stop going with the cheapest/lowest bidder?

My money's on him being blind as fuck. I'd also bet they were going to do a test run with Trump to make sure he could see the teleprompter but he didn't want to help them do their job.

[Flarelaine]

I'd love the chance to mess with his teleprompter the way Jim Carrey does in Bruce Almighty.

[PhaelixWW]

Whoooooooooosh

You think I needed to specifically comment on Trump being braindead?

Nah, bruv, I got it. It wasn't a complicated message.

Liquid fuel (regular gas used in most boats)is still flammable what you are thinking of is explosive. liquid fuels doesn't become explosive unless mixed with air.

gasoline is super flammable, maybe you were thinking of diesel.

No, I definitely meant gasoline, and I definitely meant both flammable and explosive. It can't even ignite without an air source mixing with the vapor, and it doesn't explode unless the concentration of the vapor in the vapor/air mix gets high enough, which pretty much requires a larger enclosed container (that also has air in it). If the gas is submerged, good luck getting enough vapor and air together to ignite, even with a flame, let alone a weak electrical current.

Science is fun:



But this is getting off-topic; it was just meant to be a quick note about how even less of an issue the batteries might be. And lest another forum mall cop start thinking again that I'm missing some other obvious point that doesn't really require addressing, I'll just cut this tangent short.

Toodles.

[Orange Joe]

You think I needed to specifically comment on Trump being braindead?

Nah, bruv, I got it. It wasn't a complicated message.




No, I definitely meant gasoline, and I definitely meant both flammable and explosive. It can't even ignite without an air source mixing with the vapor, and it doesn't explode unless the concentration of the vapor in the vapor/air mix gets high enough, which pretty much requires a larger enclosed container (that also has air in it). If the gas is submerged, good luck getting enough vapor and air together to ignite, even with a flame, let alone a weak electrical current.

Science is fun:

snip vid

But this is getting off-topic; it was just meant to be a quick note about how even less of an issue the batteries might be. And lest another forum mall cop start thinking again that I'm missing some other obvious point that doesn't really require addressing, I'll just cut this tangent short.

Toodles.

I work with gas very often. and have started many fires with gas. Gas in a cup will very much start on fire with a quick touch of flame.


That video is of a cigarette, not a open flame.






Here is a video of gas being light on fire with a match.

[masterhorus8]

I work with gas very often. and have started many fires with gas. Gas in a cup will very much start on fire with a quick touch of flame.


That video is of a cigarette, not a open flame.






Here is a video of gas being light on fire with a match.

Just for reference, that's a relatively small amount of gasoline, so the oxygen/gasoline ratio is about what it needs. But very large quantities of gasoline aren't instantly flammable because there's frequently not enough oxygen to combust with.