Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Sunseeker]

Which is problematic because they also can't question the motive of a president if he claims "official act". It's absolutely retarded...

Why cant they, exactly? If they have evidence to suggest that the means and ends were not "official acts" then that by nature questions the motive.

[Zemini7]

The Supreme Court gave Biden the power to sic the military on Trump: legal analysts[i]

Biden is a old coward. he doesn't have the balls to do any of that.

What he should do it sic the military on the supreme court. Arrest uncle thomas, alito and perhaps even kavanaugh. And replace them. Do it now

[Marfrilau]

Why cant they, exactly? If they have evidence to suggest that the means and ends were not "official acts" then that by nature questions the motive.

Here's the part of the opinion that that the dissent references:
"In dividing official from unofficial conduct, courts may not inquire into the President’s motives. Such a “highly intrusive” inquiry would risk exposing even the most obvious instances of official conduct to judicial examination on the mere allegation of improper purpose. Fitzgerald, 457 U. S., at 756. Nor may courts deem an action unofficial merely because it allegedly violates a generally applicable law. Otherwise, Presidents would be subject to trial on “every allegation that an action was unlawful,” depriving immunity of its intended effect."

[Edge-]

Is drone striking a SCOTUS Justice an official act? Asking for a friend.

[Sunseeker]

Here's the part of the opinion that that the dissent references:
"In dividing official from unofficial conduct, courts may not inquire into the President’s motives. Such a “highly intrusive” inquiry would risk exposing even the most obvious instances of official conduct to judicial examination on the mere allegation of improper purpose. Fitzgerald, 457 U. S., at 756. Nor may courts deem an action unofficial merely because it allegedly violates a generally applicable law. Otherwise, Presidents would be subject to trial on “every allegation that an action was unlawful,” depriving immunity of its intended effect."

It sounds like the dissent is arguing for stronger immunity, not weaker though.

[Marfrilau]

It sounds like the dissent is arguing for stronger immunity, not weaker though.

What, how?

[Sunseeker]

What, how?

It would seem to be they are arguing for no division between acts, and therefore total immunity, or risk coming under fire for every act.

I freely admit I may be reading it wrong, Im certinly not a legal scholar.

[Marfrilau]

It would seem to be they are arguing for no division between acts, and therefore total immunity, or risk coming under fire for every act.

I freely admit I may be reading it wrong, Im certinly not a legal scholar.

What they are saying is that the opinion effectively has made it so that the "test" to define whether it's an official or unofficial will more or less always make it official.

[Sorshen]

It's not the win conservatives think (Trump wanted total immunity, stuff done outside EOs and shit), but it has that asterisk in defining what was or wasn't official, that will go thru the courts back up to them when needed based on the potus political color.

Still, so ironic that small gov. conservatives cheering for executive branch potentially becoming royalty.

[Mayhem]

What they are saying is that the opinion effectively has made it so that the "test" to define whether it's an official or unofficial will more or less always make it official.

Would it be an official act by President Biden to declare the things Trump did were unofficial?

[CastletonSnob]

Can we please stop saying "Just vote!"?

We're WAY past the point of voting being able to fix things.

[Shadowferal]

Can we please stop saying "Just vote!"? We're WAY past the point of voting being able to fix things.

Alright genius, what are you considering?

[Spectral]

Can we please stop saying "Just vote!"?

We're WAY past the point of voting being able to fix things.

You're gonna need to vote harder buddy.

[Slant]

Can we please stop saying "Just vote!"?

We're WAY past the point of voting being able to fix things.

Given that your "vote" choice is between insanity and senility... yeah, you are way beyond that point. I'm with Jon Stewart... that is the best you came up with? Such a big nation, so many smart people and THAT is who's supposed to represent you? Either one?

[Marfrilau]

Would it be an official act by President Biden to declare the things Trump did were unofficial?

Good question. You certainly can't question his motive for it!

[Celista]

Welp it was a ̶g̶o̶o̶d̶ mostly not great run, USA. Where's everyone moving to?

Yes, Biden ordering Seal Team 6 is part of his official constitutional powers, so Biden can now order them to assassinate Trump and Biden would be immune from prosecution.
Oh and he can kill these moron conservative justices while he's at it.

He should kidnap them to prove a point. Hope he televises it.

[Inuyaki]

Congrats on finally having a king!
I guess having a president got boring after around 250 years?

[Shadowferal]

"King Biden..."
Lacks a certain lilt.

[unfilteredJW]

Can we please stop saying "Just vote!"?

We're WAY past the point of voting being able to fix things.

Actual clown shoes comment.

You realize that voting is how these justices were put into place, yeah?

[DarkTZeratul]

Actual clown shoes comment.

You realize that voting is how these justices were put into place, yeah?

Or, perhaps more accurately, a bunch of people not voting is how these justices were put into place.