Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Marfrilau]

I have faith that the House would impeach, the Senate would convict, and this would be treated as the illegitimate action that it is. The process is actually pretty clear. What, are you actually saying that you think House Democrats would be fine with Biden pulling a self-coup?

And if he takes out anyone even thinking of impeaching him?

[Stormspellz]

So killing someone who stole the highest levels of national secrets and is actively selling them is considered "official duties" of President, yes?

[ManjiSanji]

I have faith that the House would impeach, the Senate would convict, and this would be treated as the illegitimate action that it is. The process is actually pretty clear. What, are you actually saying that you think House Democrats would be fine with Biden pulling a self-coup?

Marfrilau made the exact point which makes what you said a joke, and why all this is so incredibly concerning. Trump could just order the execution of anyone he thinks would vote to impeach him. Hell, he already has a list of his own team, since it's already happened twice. He'd just call them, "A threat to national security," or something to that effect. Official duties, defending from enemies from within.

1: No, none of us think Democrats would let Biden get away with that. Democrats actually care about the law and the rules. They know it's the only thing that holds our society together.

2: Trump and his blindly-following, spineless Republicans WOULD do this, and would let Trump get away with it. They WANT this. They see law and rules as a way to gain ultimate power. This isn't speculation, as you can simply read Project 2025 and know that's what's happening.

The entire point is Democrats are pointing out, "We don't need this kind of absolute power in one party/person, and the preceding 44 Presidents before Trump PROVES it."
The fact that Republicans are arguing otherwise, and celebrating this gross overreach of power, tells you everything you need to know.

The idea that they call themselves the party of, "Small government," is so laughable at this point I don't know how anyone takes it seriously. I do actually know some Republicans, before this, that felt the President already had TOO much power. One example I can think of got himself perma-banned from these forums, and he was well-ahead of thinking of all of the problems we're having right now. He saw the exact writing on the walls ages ago. I really wonder what he thinks of all this right now.

[cubby]

I'll say this. If it counts as official, time to let Biden get Seal Team 6 on some things.

Trump and a lot of the GOP could very easily be considered domestic terrorists. Especially many of their voters. Even a certain SCOTUS and his wife.

Insurrectionists and Domestic Terrorists are in the same general category....

[anveena]

I can't wait to see what Trump does with this once he's reelected.

[Shadowferal]

I can't wait to see what Trump does with this once he's reelected.

The clown show said that shit in '20.
The whiny petulant denial is strong.

[Celista]

I can't wait to see what Trump does with this once he's reelected.

Yup. The mouth breathers that support this are unhinged. Like do they realize that when [insert person you personally do not like] gets into office they can do whatever they want? What about Biden right now? This is what decades of underfunding public education gets you.

"Official capacity" is a nearly irrelevant nuance unless official duties are codifed in detail.

Didn't take long for an opportunity to quote myself, thanks.

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The clown show said that shit in '20.
The whiny petulant denial is strong.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

[unfilteredJW]

Didn't take long for an opportunity to quote myself, thanks.

You snapped up that bait hard.

[Celista]

You snapped up that bait hard.

I'm here all day.

[gondrin]

Hilary ran one of the worst campaigns ever. She ignored the Rust Belt states. That's on her and her campaign management, not voters.

No, it is on the right wing media machine along with the centrist media machine like CNN that deemed her unfit for their own personal reasons. The far right never liked her because of, well, pick any reason. Benghazi, being a woman, Bill Clinton's affair. CNN and the centrist media machine decided she wasn't corporate enough even though that is exactly what she is.

The media, and the talking heads in it, literally poisoned the well as far as voting goes.

[Spectral]

What if they were?

Biden, under this ruling from scotus, would be completely in the clear if the democrats are unwilling to impeach.

That is correct. I do trust them to not be complete lunatics though.

[gondrin]

Didn't take long for an opportunity to quote myself, thanks.

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Some people just want to watch the world burn.

As I said, I am pretty sure that someone will take a shot at him if he were to be re-elected. I never advocate violence outside of extreme circumstances. However, how unhinged Trump is, it may be one of those times. And he may end up like JFK, Lincoln and the like because he loves to speak in public.

Here is an even worse thought, while he may be unhinged, his VP might be as bad or even worse.

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That is correct. I do trust them to not be complete lunatics though.

Honestly, here is a video of Biden basically saying he won't do that.

[Spectral]

And if he takes out anyone even thinking of impeaching him?

It's actually weird that people are committed to such weird fantasies. Yes, it's true that if has the complete loyalty of a military apparatus willing to murder all opposition, we're fucked. That would be true regardless of whether such behavior could technically be prosecuted.

[gondrin]

It's actually weird that people are committed to such weird fantasies. Yes, it's true that if has the complete loyalty of a military apparatus willing to murder all opposition, we're fucked. That would be true regardless of whether such behavior could technically be prosecuted.

The thing is, according to the wording the ruling had, all Trump would have to do is make it an official act of the office of the Presidency. And yes, there is nothing other than an executive order, that a previous president put in place, that stops a sitting President from carrying out an assassination.

Specifically these Executive Orders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11905
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12036
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12333

However, there is nothing stopping a current or future President from rescinding those orders outright as, while they are considered law, they aren't something that is made by Congress.

[Edge-]

Seriously, Nixon was a half century ahead of his team.

[Kaleredar]

That is correct. I do trust them to not be complete lunatics though.

Unfortunately the “we don’t have any laws to stop it, but we just trust that people in power won’t abuse it” is a really bad system of governance.

Trump should be prime evidence of that.

[postman1782]

Posting here.

Original post/link messed up

Aww fuck my link and previous post.

So anyways, Fuck this Supreme Court.

Basically giving Trump immunity from stealing documents.

Then kicking it back to lower courts which means this is done if Trump wins. Also Biden can't Seal Tean 6 (verb) his ass.

Wrong, stealing documents is not an official presidential act. As per the presidential records act.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Bidens age like Hillary's Emails or Benghazi on and on, MAGA Trumpsters will always be the man throwing the stick and most everyone will keep chasing a stick that was never there.

Sometimes in life you don't get what you want, but when it come down to where you stand and what is important, you either stay loyal and true to your core values and principles or you don't

MAGA Trumpsters have for the most part been loyal. "US verses them"


There really isn't anything to pretend here if people can't be bothered to step the fuck up and vote and do what is required come election day and everything possible to back up their beliefs then no matter what happens at the end going forward it better be something we can live with.

Because if Project 2025 is any indication of the realities of a Trump Presidency many people won't have a choice.


I mean I'm proud to be a Democrat and a Liberal because I CHOOSE to be, I don't always agree with any monolith, and personally I think debate when and where it is appropriate is awesome.


Trump is APPEALING I am not going to lie, YES there are some very serious fucking reasons I SHOULD vote for him based on his LIES, I DO believe every nation deserves to protect it's borders, I do think immigration should be enforced.

I believe in the power of Justice and LAW and ORDER.

I am also a Christian and I would in a perfect world LOVE a Lot of things.


However that doesn't mean I agree with Trumps methods and more importantly I don't believe he can or WILL do anything he says.


He is a liar, a hypocrite and any dream or goal is is a fucking Nightmare


Could I vote for a Republican, I would vote for ANY Republican or Democrat qualified and sane over Trump period.


I also think it's fine to not agree Biden has serious faults as does our elections process, but none of that can or will be fixed by Voting Trump or RFKjr

[postman1782]

I can't wait to see what Trump does with this once he's reelected.

Well, he won't be.

[ManjiSanji]

It's actually weird that people are committed to such weird fantasies. Yes, it's true that if has the complete loyalty of a military apparatus willing to murder all opposition, we're fucked. That would be true regardless of whether such behavior could technically be prosecuted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDRLq6ym4x0

His own people have said he frequently talked about wanting executions, including White House leakers/staff members.

So, it's not OUR fantasies, it's TRUMP's.

Many of his own staff say they will not vote for him, call him incredibly dangerous, including his former VP. What will it take for you to admit he's that dangerous?