Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[postman1782]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-tru...mbshell-filing

Surprised this wasn't posted before me. Dunno if I missed it. Text messages between AJ Delgado and Jenna Ellis show that they settled multiple lawsuits in the 2016 campaign.



The Boris she is talking about, seems to be that Russian POS Boris Epshteyn.

[ringpriest]

Trump is the Project2025 candidate. Trump may be clueless enough to not realize it, but that doesn't mean anything. He's the bloated orange corpse they've strapped to the prow of their Christian nationalist ship as a figurehead. If he slips those ropes and falls free into the ocean, they'll strap something else up there instead.

Trump absolutely knows he's the Project2025 candidate. But since getting re-elected (and thus, staying out of prison) is of interest to him, he actually pays some attention to it. And he knows damned well that it is a complete dealbreaker for the non-fascist and non-maggot majority of the US once they hear about it. So, since it's been getting increasing attention, he's making an exception to his normal "stronk man, never wrong" persona and publicly fleeing from it as far and fast as possible, it the hopes it won't drag him to a loss (and the subsequent fate of eventually dying in prison he so greatly deserves).

[Shadowferal]

Project 2025 Is Bad, But Trump’s Agenda 47 Is Worse

Don’t lose sight of what a second term with that asshole might be.

Little Donny Fuckface and team have been busting their balls for a week to I don’t know her about Project 2025, the Heritage Foundation’s plan for authoritarian rule, full of horrible ideas that only fascists could love.

Even creepy ghoul Stephen Miller Xitted that he’s “never been involved with Project 2025,” even though he recorded a video as part of Project 2025’s training tools. Busted on tape! Also in training videos: Trump’s current press secretary Karoline Leavitt, former Trump assistant Spencer Chretien, former Trump Office of Personnel Management Chief of Staff Paul Dans and Trump adviser Troup Hemenway.

And other authors of The Mandate For Leadership that were in the Trump administration: Jonathon Berry, Adam Candeub, Ken Cuccinelli, Rick Dearborn, Thomas Gilman, Mandy Gunasekara, Dennis Kirk, Christopher Miller, Mora Namdar, Peter Navarro, William Pendleton, Brooks Tucker and Hans Spakovsky. About 70 Heritage Foundationers served in That Asshole’s administration. Sure is a lot of hers to not know!

They know they’re lying. We know they’re lying. They know we know they’re lying. But getting one over on people and lying to their faces is part of the thrill for smug fascists!

Project 2025 isn’t Trump’s plan, Trump has his OWN plan, they insist!

That is true. It’s called Agenda 47, laid out in a series of videos on Donald Trump’s website. And the only parts that don’t match up with Project 2025 are even more extreme:

• Abolishing birthright citizenship, and withholding passports, Social Security numbers and other government benefits from children of undocumented immigrants born in the United States. So much for following the Constitution!

• Deploying the National Guard against US citizens. Make America Kent State again!

• Outlawing gender-affirming care for anyone at any age, passing a bill establishing that the only genders recognized by the US government are male and female, and they are assigned at birth. Your body belongs to the government, and don’t you forget it.

• Constructing “Freedom Cities” on federal land. Whatever that’s about. “These Freedom Cities will reopen the frontier, reignite American imagination, and give hundreds of thousands of young people and other people, all hardworking families, a new shot at home ownership and in fact, the American Dream.” How would that work, who’s paying for it, who knows?

• Death penalty for drug dealers and human traffickers.

• Leaving abortion “to the states,” which is the same as leaving it to SCOTUS, and we all know how their majority feels. Trump’s also previously said that he would sign a national 15-week abortion ban, and that he has no problem letting states monitor women’s pregnancies to make sure they are not terminated, and supports “some form of punishment” for women who have abortions and doctors who provide them. Evangelicals are working really hard to get NO ABORTIONS EVER ANYWHERE SHUT UP FETUSES ARE PEOPLE in the party platform.

• Replacing academic freedom with “patriot education.”

• Using the Justice Department to go after his enemies. He’s very excited for military tribunals, especially for Liz Cheney.

• Deploying “many thousands” of US troops to the southern border to wage “war,” and rounding up immigrants and putting them in camps. And Stephen Miller would allegedly like to bomb migrants with drones.

• Flying cars, for some reason. “Dozens of major companies in the U.S. and China are racing to develop vertical-takeoff-and-landing vehicles for families and individuals. Just as the United States led the automotive revolution in the last century, I want to ensure that America, not China, leads this revolution in air mobility.” Isn’t that called a helicopter?

And there’s plenty of agreement between Trump’s agenda and the Heritage Foundation’s plans, too:

• Censorship laws that ban teaching “critical race theory,” and reinterpret anti-racism protections to benefit white people, the real victims of racism. Eye roll emoji.

• Giving Trump complete control of the FCC, so he can ban any platform on the internet that allows people to be mean to him or won’t publish his lies.

• Giving Trump control of all the regulatory agencies, gutting them, and taking away their ability to enforce anything. (SCOTUS already gifted him that one!)

• Redesignating as many as 50,000 civil servants as political appointees, and firing any of them that are insufficiently loyal to Trump.

• Ending the Affordable Care Act.

• Giving corporations our national lands so they can drill and strip the shit out of them. Fuck renewable energy!

• Cuts to Social Security and Medicare, and working towards privatizing them. Trump’s been all over the place on this, sometimes claiming he won’t touch them, other times saying stuff like “there’s a lot you can do in terms of entitlements, in terms of cutting” and “at some point [cutting entitlements will be on the plate]. [...] And at the right time, we will take a look at that. You know, that’s actually the easiest of all things.” That sentiment proved VERY UNPOPULAR, and he has since publicly backed away from it.

These mandates and agendas would all be cloud-cuckooland fascist nightmare nonsense, and who’s going to stop him? This SCOTUS? As if!

Trump’s blahblahblah psychocrazy has become such background noise that people barely register it any more. It’s not new news, unlike JOE BIDEN IS OLD. But anyone not literally a white Christian cis male billionaire who wants mineral rights to a national park has got big things to lose here.

Remind your me-maw, democracy is worth saving!

[Kaleredar]

Project 2025 Is Bad, But Trump’s Agenda 47 Is Worse

Don’t lose sight of what a second term with that asshole might be.

Little Donny Fuckface and team have been busting their balls for a week to I don’t know her about Project 2025, the Heritage Foundation’s plan for authoritarian rule, full of horrible ideas that only fascists could love.

Even creepy ghoul Stephen Miller Xitted that he’s “never been involved with Project 2025,” even though he recorded a video as part of Project 2025’s training tools. Busted on tape! Also in training videos: Trump’s current press secretary Karoline Leavitt, former Trump assistant Spencer Chretien, former Trump Office of Personnel Management Chief of Staff Paul Dans and Trump adviser Troup Hemenway.

And other authors of The Mandate For Leadership that were in the Trump administration: Jonathon Berry, Adam Candeub, Ken Cuccinelli, Rick Dearborn, Thomas Gilman, Mandy Gunasekara, Dennis Kirk, Christopher Miller, Mora Namdar, Peter Navarro, William Pendleton, Brooks Tucker and Hans Spakovsky. About 70 Heritage Foundationers served in That Asshole’s administration. Sure is a lot of hers to not know!

They know they’re lying. We know they’re lying. They know we know they’re lying. But getting one over on people and lying to their faces is part of the thrill for smug fascists!

Project 2025 isn’t Trump’s plan, Trump has his OWN plan, they insist!

That is true. It’s called Agenda 47, laid out in a series of videos on Donald Trump’s website. And the only parts that don’t match up with Project 2025 are even more extreme:

• Abolishing birthright citizenship, and withholding passports, Social Security numbers and other government benefits from children of undocumented immigrants born in the United States. So much for following the Constitution!

• Deploying the National Guard against US citizens. Make America Kent State again!

• Outlawing gender-affirming care for anyone at any age, passing a bill establishing that the only genders recognized by the US government are male and female, and they are assigned at birth. Your body belongs to the government, and don’t you forget it.

• Constructing “Freedom Cities” on federal land. Whatever that’s about. “These Freedom Cities will reopen the frontier, reignite American imagination, and give hundreds of thousands of young people and other people, all hardworking families, a new shot at home ownership and in fact, the American Dream.” How would that work, who’s paying for it, who knows?

• Death penalty for drug dealers and human traffickers.

• Leaving abortion “to the states,” which is the same as leaving it to SCOTUS, and we all know how their majority feels. Trump’s also previously said that he would sign a national 15-week abortion ban, and that he has no problem letting states monitor women’s pregnancies to make sure they are not terminated, and supports “some form of punishment” for women who have abortions and doctors who provide them. Evangelicals are working really hard to get NO ABORTIONS EVER ANYWHERE SHUT UP FETUSES ARE PEOPLE in the party platform.

• Replacing academic freedom with “patriot education.”

• Using the Justice Department to go after his enemies. He’s very excited for military tribunals, especially for Liz Cheney.

• Deploying “many thousands” of US troops to the southern border to wage “war,” and rounding up immigrants and putting them in camps. And Stephen Miller would allegedly like to bomb migrants with drones.

• Flying cars, for some reason. “Dozens of major companies in the U.S. and China are racing to develop vertical-takeoff-and-landing vehicles for families and individuals. Just as the United States led the automotive revolution in the last century, I want to ensure that America, not China, leads this revolution in air mobility.” Isn’t that called a helicopter?

And there’s plenty of agreement between Trump’s agenda and the Heritage Foundation’s plans, too:

• Censorship laws that ban teaching “critical race theory,” and reinterpret anti-racism protections to benefit white people, the real victims of racism. Eye roll emoji.

• Giving Trump complete control of the FCC, so he can ban any platform on the internet that allows people to be mean to him or won’t publish his lies.

• Giving Trump control of all the regulatory agencies, gutting them, and taking away their ability to enforce anything. (SCOTUS already gifted him that one!)

• Redesignating as many as 50,000 civil servants as political appointees, and firing any of them that are insufficiently loyal to Trump.

• Ending the Affordable Care Act.

• Giving corporations our national lands so they can drill and strip the shit out of them. Fuck renewable energy!

• Cuts to Social Security and Medicare, and working towards privatizing them. Trump’s been all over the place on this, sometimes claiming he won’t touch them, other times saying stuff like “there’s a lot you can do in terms of entitlements, in terms of cutting” and “at some point [cutting entitlements will be on the plate]. [...] And at the right time, we will take a look at that. You know, that’s actually the easiest of all things.” That sentiment proved VERY UNPOPULAR, and he has since publicly backed away from it.

These mandates and agendas would all be cloud-cuckooland fascist nightmare nonsense, and who’s going to stop him? This SCOTUS? As if!

Trump’s blahblahblah psychocrazy has become such background noise that people barely register it any more. It’s not new news, unlike JOE BIDEN IS OLD. But anyone not literally a white Christian cis male billionaire who wants mineral rights to a national park has got big things to lose here.

Remind your me-maw, democracy is worth saving!

But the media can’t talk about that. Because you see, Biden is… old

[gondrin]

Trump appointed judge resigns because they are a sexist pig that talked about fighting state senators, his supposed sex life to his law clerks and along with raping his law clerks. Only the best.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tr...245585609&ei=9

A Trump-appointed federal judge was forced to resign this month after just four years on the bench and a blistering ethics complaint detailed his hostile work environment and sexual misconduct with a law clerk and federal prosecutor.

Judge Joshua Kindred, of the U.S. District Court for the District of Alaska, abruptly moved to step down last week. At the time, he did not give a reason.

On Monday, however, the Judicial Council of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit released a report going into extensive detail on the allegations against Kindred, and announced that he was pressured into resigning under referral to the Judicial Conference to consider impeachment.

According to the report, Kindred created a hostile work environment by incessantly "discuss[ing] his past dating life, his romantic preferences, his sex life, the law clerks’ boyfriends and dating lives, his divorce, his interest in and communications with potential romantic or sexual partners, and his disparaging opinions of his colleagues. He also made disparaging comments about public and political figures. Some examples of these comments include: 'I was a huge hit at dinner Partly due to how much s--- I talked about Sarah Palin'; 'I told a republican [state] senator to eat a d---'; and '[a senator] is worried that I can kick [] his a--.'"

He also rated people based on "f---ability" in the presence of subordinates, and retaliated against clerks who came forward to say they were uncomfortable with his behavior.

Perhaps most damning, the report detailed how he pursued an "inappropriately sexualized relationship" with a law clerk who later went on to become an assistant U.S. attorney.

According to the report, Kindred incessantly messaged the clerk, including while she was on medical leave, saying "that he missed her and 'it feels like I haven’t seen you in months'; asking how things were going with the clerk’s boyfriend; and stating that '[w]ork is so much better when you are here.' Similarly, in July 2022, when Judge Kindred was traveling for a conference, he texted the law clerk incessantly, saying, 'I’ve missed you this week which makes me worry about the emotion[al] wreck I’m going to be when you leave.'"

Furthermore, the clerk told investigators that one night, when Kindred was driving her home, he stopped over at the courthouse, brought her up to his chambers, and kissed her and groped her buttocks. Then in October 2022, she said, during a pizza party she threw for him to celebrate his move, he lured her into a bedroom, pulled her pants off, and performed oral sex on her. The committee further found that Kindred's account of these events, which differed from the clerk's, was dishonest.

"Given these facts, we have no doubt that Judge Kindred, through his false statements, obstructed, influenced, and impeded these JC&D proceedings, or at the very least, attempted to obstruct, influence, or impede these proceedings," stated the Judicial Committee's report. "The false statements that Judge Kindred has made throughout these proceedings, along with the severity of Judge Kindred’s misconduct, may constitute one or more grounds for impeachment."

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I'll just add this here. The pro-life movement is slowly but surely turning on Trump. Granted, it is from a bias source but the fact remains that a LOT of pro-life voters are not happy with the GOP platform at the moment.

https://meidasnews.com/news/pro-life...they-rolled-us

Pro-Lifers Rip Trump Platform: "They Rolled Us"

The new Trump-controlled RNC rolled out their party platform today for the 2024 elections, and it left many lifelong party activists furious.

For decades, delegates serving on the RNC platform committee would toil for a week debating every aspect of what the party stood far, argue over policy details on a wide range of issues, while quibbling over wording. It was a great honor to be chosen as a delegate, and it typically rewarded people who gave a lifetime of service to the party at the grass roots level.

All that changed with Donald Trump.

In 2020, Trump made it clear that he is the supreme and only leader of the Republican Party, and was not going to listen to activists on policy. The RNC cancelled holding formal platform committee events before that convention, simply issuing a short statement that essentially said that whatever Trump believed at any given moment was the policy of the party as a whole.

This angered many activists, who justifiably felt sidelined by a campaign that went down to defeat a few short months later.

Seeking to appease these frustrated activists, the new Trump dominated RNC held meetings this year. As with all Trump events during this campaign cycle, this was also just a staged event for all for show where people were used as props. Committee Member Gail Ruzicka expressed her frustration walking out:

"This never happened before. I've done this several times. There was no committees. We always had sub-committees where we could go in and work on sections of the platform ... They didn't allow any amendments. They didn't allow any discussion. They rolled us. We spent thousands of dollars to be here. Everything they told us they were going to do isn't what happened. And I'm extremely disappointed we don't have the pro-life language ... I've been coming to these since 1992 and this is the first time we haven't had a pro-life platform. I've never been treated so badly."

https://x.com/mattsmith_news/status/...they-rolled-us

Anti-Abortion activists took to social media today to express similar frustrations. The Trump party platform opposes a federal abortion ban, and simply states that the Republican Party opposes late-term abortions and leaves the rest up to the states.

National pro-life leader Bob Vander Platts was not pleased, also complaining that contenders to be Trump's running mate who had been staunchly anti-abortion like Marco Rubio and JD Vance were going along with the plan.

https://x.com/bobvanderplaats/status...they-rolled-us

Primary to winning any election is DO NOT abandon your base.

The 2024 election is going to be a turn out your base race.

Abandoning life isn’t right on principle nor is it wise politically.

https://x.com/tperkins/status/181006...they-rolled-us

I’m stunned by Sen. Marco Rubio’s capitulation to the forces of abortion.

There are so many inaccuracies in his comments that I don’t know where to start. First, a human life amendment has never been within political reach, it has always been aspirational and so it should remain. I can assure you that if the GOP abandons the unborn in the Party Platform, it will dampen Bible-believing, conservative voter enthusiasm and turnout.

Right-wing talk show host Steve Deace made similar comments:

https://x.com/SteveDeaceShow/status/...they-rolled-us

Rubio was the most aggressive pro-life messaging candidate in 2016. He’s now advocating taking life out of the party platform because he thinks he has a real shot to be Trump’s running mate, and this is what Trump wants.

Former Trump attorney Jenna Ellis joined the chorus of anti-abortion activists who almost universally complained about the new platform.

https://x.com/realJennaEllis/status/...they-rolled-us

The Republican Party platform has always advocated FOR life, not ducked the issue hiding behind federalism (and ignoring the 14th Amendment and Congress’s clear ability to limit abortion and protect life).

Further, RNC isn’t just for federal offices. It supports statewide candidates as well, so now the platform opens wide the door for pro-choice (and pro-LGBTQ with softening on same-sex marriage) GOP candidates on a state level too, which the RNC has already begun to support with Trump’s endorsements.

Why should the National party agree it’s fine if states want to allow abortions all the way until birth and support queer theory, as long as those states are cool with it?

But that’s exactly what they’re assenting to. No conservative should support this.

Trump's problem is that he fully understands the hardline stance of most Republican activists on abortion is deeply unpopular with most Americans. He is also not anti-abortion himself. He was always on record as pro-choice until he decided to run for president in 2015 and wanted the evangelical vote.

https://x.com/toddstarnes/status/181...they-rolled-us

Conservative Christians on platform committee are being told by Republican leadership to basically get with the program and support the eradication of culture war issues from party platform. "Where else are your people going to go?" a GOP leader told an evangelical leader.

The problem from Trump is how to run as essentially a pro-choice candidate while bragging that you were responsible for overturning Roe, and keep your rapid base happy at the same time.

[postman1782]

Umm, what? Most of his supporters don't know he got indicted, nor do they care, and yet, he is bringing it to light, and for some reason using a $2 dollar bill, claiming they are real, but defacing them with his face, and his signature.

[gondrin]

Umm, what? Most of his supporters don't know he got indicted, nor do they care, and yet, he is bringing it to light, and for some reason using a $2 dollar bill, claiming they are real, but defacing them with his face, and his signature.

Best part of that whole thing is that now what was legit currency is now worthless and now shows what a perfect definition to irony is. Also, a 20X markup being brought down to a 10X markup(an extreme common tactic used by marketers).

Anyone who tries and spends this for whatever reason will find out that, since it is defaced, no stores other than ones who sell Trump merch will take them.

[Breccia]

So Trump accused Biden of being low-energy in a rally at Doral.

Trump lives an hour from Doral, by the way.

At this rally:

1) He told the crowd of hundreds that they were 45,000 people.

2) He said you had to recharge an electric car for 3 hours after driving for 45 minutes.

3) He challenged Biden to a golf game.

4) He said Biden raised the price of bacon to four times its price.

5) He was an hour late. Yes, he does that a lot, but that doesn't make it better. It was over 90 in Miami that day.

6) He criticized Biden for leaving Afghanistan--

"Wasn't that his decision?"

Don't bring logic or facts to a Trump rally.

I especially like how the article says people were yawning and watching their phones during Trump's speech.

I think, at this point, my decision to call Trump literally retarded is taking firmer root. The golf game is ridiculous of course, that'd be the same as me challenging Mike Tyson to a spelling bee and then demanding his boxing belt when I win. And keeping people in Florida heat and humidity for extra time is just being a sociopath, nothing new there either. I mean the three objectively false numerical claims, none of which he could back up.

So Trump is either lying, or he is incapable of handling objective numbers. This isn't something like misreading a 3 as an 8 or something, he was off on his crowd size by two full orders of magnitude. That's like claiming the minimum wage in America is about a million dollars a year. Or, claiming to have a twenty-five foot dick. The cars and bacon thing aren't as bad, but neither of them is close to being true. We keep track of that shit. Yes, bacon did start rising in price dramatically around March 2020...gee, why does that month feel so familiar...to a high Oct 2022 and has come down since. Adding inflation actually kept the price basically even, but with or without, Trump is just objectively wrong.

So Trump supporters have to defend Trump as either lying but that's okay, or unable to work with numbers but that's okay, for someone they claim is a great businessman and deserves to run the world's largest economy. Neither answer is redeeming, but those are the only two.

"They'll refuse to answer."

What matters is what they admit to themselves.

"What if they don't see the problem?"

That's the problem, isn't it? I'm not ready to make this declaration just yet, but, if you see someone point to a crowd of hundreds and say "there are 45,000 people here" and you are incapable of seeing there's a disconnect, there's a word for that.

[Drutt]

2) He said you had to recharge an electric car for 3 hours after driving for 45 minutes.

This one is at least true, albeit very misleading and missing a bunch of context.

The above figures would likely be correct if you were driving on the freeway at speed with the AC on and then plugged into a L1 charger (i.e. a normal electrical outlet).

Thing is, L2 and L3 chargers are a thing, so in the unlikely scenario that you drove for 45 minutes AND THEN needed to be topped up ASAP, you just use a faster charger.

In practice, of course, said car would be charging overnight because it's no longer needed for the day. It generally takes hours of consecutive driving to hit 0% charge on most EVs not operating in extreme conditions.

It's astounding how ignorant people (read: usually MAGA types) are about the reality of EVs and charging.

[gondrin]

Not sure if this is the right thread for this, and if it isn't, please move it to the proper thread but Rudy Giuliani has decided for violence during his bankruptcy trial.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news...82430cd0&ei=13

Rudy Giuliani interrupts his own bankruptcy hearing, yelling it's 'defamatory' to accuse him of bankruptcy fraud

Rudy Giuliani erupted during a bankruptcy hearing Wednesday morning, interrupting the proceedings to complain it was "defamatory" to suggest he would commit bankruptcy crimes by hiding his assets.

His interruption came as Rachel Strickland, an attorney representing two Georgia election workers whom Giuliani defamed and owes $148 million, urged the judge to dismiss the bankruptcy case and allow the claims against Giuliani to play out in different courts.
Keeping the case in bankruptcy court would inevitably lead to Giuliani hiding his assets and being charged with bankruptcy crimes, Strickland said.

"We will all be stayed while the trustee in this court wades through the morass of sexual assault and other allegations while Mr. Giuliani continues to play golf," Strickland said, her voice scathing.

Giuliani's attorneys appeared in person in Manhattan's bankruptcy court for the hearing, but Giuliani himself called in by phone.

"Ted! Would you get them on the phone and stop—" Giuliani shouted, appearing to refer to his spokesperson Ted Goodman.

"Alright, someone's got a live microphone, and that's not a good situation," the bankruptcy judge said.

As muffled noises continued to emerge from Giuliani's phone line, the judge, Sean H. Lane, tried to silence it.

"We keep having that same telephone pop up," Lane said. "Let me ask in court if we can make sure to have that muted, please."

"Your honor, this is the Rudolph Giuliani," Giuliani said amid the static of his phone. He asked for a break to talk to his lawyers and address Strickland's "defamatory remarks."

Lane asked Giuliani to wait his turn to speak. Later in the hearing, Giuliani's attorney Gary Fischoff assured the court that his client would not commit bankruptcy fraud.

"I just wanted to state something for the record," Fischoff said. "There were some statements that the debtor would commit bankruptcy fraud. So I just wanted to state for the record that Mr. Giuliani, the debtor, would not commit any bankruptcy fraud."

The judge said he'll probably dismiss Giuliani's bankruptcy case

Wednesday's bankruptcy hearing comes at a major turning point for Giuliani's bankruptcy process — where he may actually score a major legal win.

Giuliani filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in December, shortly after a jury in Washington, DC, found him liable for $148 million in damages for defaming Ruby Freeman and Wandrea Moss, the two election workers who he falsely claimed manipulated ballots in the 2020 election.

The bankruptcy filing paused their lawyers from enforcing the judgment against them, which formed nearly all of his $152 million in debt.

It also paused all the other civil cases against Giuliani, including a sexual abuse lawsuit from Noelle Dunphy and another defamation lawsuit from the election technology company Dominion Voting Systems.

Over the past seven months, Giuliani has tried to buy time with motions to slow down the bankruptcy process as he appeals the $148 million judgment.

At the same time, creditors have accused Giuliani of filing misleading and incomplete financial statements, and of hiding streams of income.

They asked Lane to appoint a Chapter 11 trustee, who would have the power to seize legal control of his assets and sell them to satisfy everyone who was owed money. The trustee also may be able to waive attorney-client privilege on Giuliani's behalf, possibly opening him up to further legal risk.

But in court filings this week, lawyers for Giuliani, Freeman, and Moss all agreed that dismissing the bankruptcy case entirely would be the best course of action.

They said Giuliani would agree not to file for bankruptcy again for another year, giving time for appeals in the $148 million defamation judgment to play out.

"It is in the interest of creditors for their claims to be heard in the forum of their choosing" and not bankruptcy court, Strickland said in Wednesday's hearing.

Lane said he was inclined to agree and dismiss the bankruptcy, citing "the difficulties we've had in terms of transparency in this case."

"That's not going to magically change if you continue the case in 11 with the trustee," Lane said.

The judge said that a Chapter 11 trustee could easily liquidate Giuliani's two apartments and jewelry, which comprise the bulk of his estimated $8 million estate.

But liquidating Giuliani's other assets, like his media company and coffee operation, would be difficult to disentangle from the former New York City mayor's personal brand, he said. Dealing with those could incur expenses that would ultimately come out of the pockets of creditors who were owed money, the judge said.

Philip Dublin, an attorney representing the other creditors in the bankruptcy — including Dunphy and Dominion — objected to that plan.

He said the best way to fairly split Giuliani's assets would be to appoint a Chapter 11 trustee who would liquidate Giuliani's assets.

But Strickland said her clients had priority — and they wanted the case dismissed.

"We are the significant focus of the case," she said. "We are $148 million."

The judge said he would issue an order by Friday and asked the parties to meet and figure out how to pay expenses for a discovery vendor, a third-party company that has already done months of work obtaining and organizing Giuliani's records for the case.

Lane also said he would not approve Giuliani's preferred backup plan of converting the bankruptcy process from Chapter 11 to Chapter 7, which would allow him to save future income for himself while liquidating his current assets.

Justin Kelton, an attorney representing Dunphy, told Business Insider that she would continue to pursue her sexual abuse claims in court if the judge dismissed the bankruptcy case.

"Our client Noelle Dunphy remains as strong and steadfast as ever in her commitment to pursuing justice," he said. "If Mr. Giuliani's bankruptcy is dismissed, she will continue pursuing her claims in court, and we look forward to the day when we can present this case to a jury."

Giuliani has brought upon himself a barrage of indignities as he falsely insisted that the 2020 election results were rigged.

In addition to his numerous civil cases, the former US attorney and personal lawyer to Donald Trump was disbarred in New York and is on the verge of losing his law license in Washington, DC.

He was also indicted in two criminal cases, in Georgia and Arizona, over his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election in those states.

[Edge-]

That this shit is still going on and Rudy hasn't had his assets seized by this point is such a fucking joke.

[gondrin]

That this shit is still going on and Rudy hasn't had his assets seized by this point is such a fucking joke.

Well, he is technically still a rich, famous(for all the wrong reasons) white male. He gets 15 mulligans and 25 do overs.

I thought this was common knowledge. /s

[Breccia]

"Rudy Giuliani erupted during a bankruptcy hearing Wednesday morning, interrupting the proceedings to complain it was "defamatory" to suggest he would commit bankruptcy crimes by hiding his assets."

False.

By now, it seems the only person not familiar with what defamation is, is Giuliani. All of us know the four required steps.

Court motions filed under oath are not being broadcast by another person, like a newspaper or Twitter account does. They are not defamation. If they're false, that's perjury. You go to jail.

Also, "I think this person would XXX" is a statement of opinion, not fact. It is not defamation, it is an opinion.

And I'm not sure if "this person who defamamed me, and I sued him and won and he owes me a lot of money due to a legally-declared judgement, is not paying that money as proven by him still having it" is not a statement made out of malice. That's just objective fact.

[Paranoid Android]

“There’s not a more Trump-like figure in the labor movement." TeamsterSOB, president of the Teamsters, will speak next week at the Republican convention. His open flirtation with Trump has split the union and undermined Biden's once-united labor front.

https://x.com/jonathanweisman/status...lCJLihKpw&s=19

Wow!

So I posted about this a long time back when Sean O'Brien met with Trump. The caveat of course is im quite certain the Teamsters Union is split down the middle of Trump supporters.

Yet a mistake of meeting him and possibly speaking at the RNC. Shame! If anyone remembers this is the guy who wanted to fist fight the Oklahoma Senator. Newsflash, that Senator is a mini Trump on unions.

This literally the president of Planned Parenthood speaking at RNC. Believing you are going to befriend Republicans on labor.

[Flarelaine]

https://x.com/jonathanweisman/status...lCJLihKpw&s=19

Wow!

So I posted about this a long time back when Sean O'Brien met with Trump. The caveat of course is im quite certain the Teamsters Union is split down the middle of Trump supporters.

Yet a mistake of meeting him and possibly speaking at the RNC. Shame! If anyone remembers this is the guy who wanted to fist fight the Oklahoma Senator. Newsflash, that Senator is a mini Trump on unions.

This literally the president of Planned Parenthood speaking at RNC. Believing you are going to befriend Republicans on labor.

Teamster SOB indeed.

[ringpriest]

Well, he is technically still a rich, famous(for all the wrong reasons) white male. He gets 15 mulligans and 25 do overs.

I thought this was common knowledge. /s

That is what Republicans are willing to kill and die for - rich and famous old guys from the "correct" social class escaping consequences. Because they're not very bright (or very moral) people, and they've been sold on the idea that someday they might be able to do whatever they want, too.

[Doctor Amadeus]

As much as I hate Trump. Something recent that puzzles me is between the last debate with Biden and more recently attacking George Clooney by telling him to keep to making his movies. I’m wondering like some speculated last election how much of his run for President is something he personally wants.

The reason I say this is because last debate he complained a little about not wanting to be President because he much rather golf or something.

Now attacking Clooney for suggesting Biden should step down. Weird.

[Draco-Onis]

As much as I hate Trump. Something recent that puzzles me is between the last debate with Biden and more recently attacking George Clooney by telling him to keep to making his movies. I’m wondering like some speculated last election how much of his run for President is something he personally wants.

The reason I say this is because last debate he complained a little about not wanting to be President because he much rather golf or something.

Now attacking Clooney for suggesting Biden should step down. Weird.

I am not sure what is confusing he is running because if he doesn't he could go to jail. He is attacking Clooney because he thinks Biden staying on the ticket is his best chance at winning. There's nothing "puzzling" about Donald Trump the man is easy to see right through.

[Edge-]

https://archive.is/8Cmkb

Ya'll should check out this new anime, it's called "Rudy-no-bankruptcy". I don't know why that sounds like an anime title to me but it does. Anyways -

A federal judge in New York on Friday threw out Rudy Giuliani’s bankruptcy case, paving the way for a litany of creditors, including two former Georgia election workers who won a $148 million defamation claim against him, to pursue and potentially seize his assets.

The decision by U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane in the Southern District of New York comes nearly seven months after Giuliani sought bankruptcy protection after he was ordered to immediately pay millions in damages to Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, two Georgia women he falsely accused of helping to steal the 2020 presidential election.

Lane’s written ruling came amid claims by Giuliani’s creditors that the former New York mayor and personal lawyer to former president Donald Trump had used the proceedings to hide details about his assets and avoid paying the former election workers.

Friday’s order would allow Freeman and Moss and other creditors to pursue legal remedies to collect money owed to them by Giuliani. It also allows other pending lawsuits against the former mayor that had been frozen by the bankruptcy proceeding to resume, including defamation suits by the voting machine companies Dominion Voting Systems and Smartmatic and a sexual harassment and wage theft claim by former Giuliani associate Nicole Dunphy.

Dope shit. Start seizing his assets and let's see who will let him sleep on their couch. He could have engaged in the bankruptcy in good faith and at least kept his home and all, but hey, you fuck around and try to hide tons of cash and slow-roll the process and sometimes you find out that you fucked yourself.

[Breccia]

"A federal judge in New York on Friday threw out Rudy Giuliani’s bankruptcy case"

And nothing of value was lost.

...no really, the issue was Giuliani hiding assets.