Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Xarkan]

soo the current argument from MAGAAts is that roe v wade wasn't overturned by Trump but by Biden because it was during Biden's term.

how are people this dense?

Would that mean they think Trump lies when he brags he got it done? Or that they think overturning Roe vs Wade was wrong and Trump lied when he said everyone wanted it done?

[Jessicka]

Would that mean they think Trump lies when he brags he got it done? Or that they think overturning Roe vs Wade was wrong and Trump lied when he said everyone wanted it done?

Depends on the audience, they're not known for keeping to a consistent viewpoint.

[DarkAmbient]

Donald Trump continues the fight for the American People. Even a bullet to the head doesn't make him relent.

A true Warrior for his people and his great country.

He will be an inspiration for generations to come.

Is it his criminality, his lies, or his general deficiencies as a human being that inspire you the most?

[Jessicka]

Is it his criminality, his lies, or his general deficiencies as a human being that inspire you the most?

Irrelevant, he's such a great American hero that none of those things matter, which is why he (and he alone) deserves immunity. He is above all of that.

There is absolutely no point discussing it or trying to convince him otherwise.

[Breccia]

In light of the recent happening, I wonder what kind of legacy Trump will leave behind should he die. After taking in a lot of the mood, it seems like people genuinely wouldn't think positively of him.

When Shinzo Abe was assassinated not too long ago, at first people were shocked and thought it horrible, but nowadays most commentators say he "deserved it." It's chilling to think that is what people would think of Trump as well.

You do realize that...

...oh, I see what you're saying. How long after he dies, before you can pretend you never supported him. You know, if you know he's a horrible person, you can stop supporting him now. You don't have to wait until he dies first. You can say "I'm not supporting this violent terrorist and awful human being" like, right now.

[fwc577]

You do realize that...

...oh, I see what you're saying. How long after he dies, before you can pretend you never supported him. You know, if you know he's a horrible person, you can stop supporting him now. You don't have to wait until he dies first. You can say "I'm not supporting this violent terrorist and awful human being" like, right now.

That would be admitting he's wrong and people don't like to admit they're wrong.

[tikcol]

Is it his criminality, his lies, or his general deficiencies as a human being that inspire you the most?

Thank you for asking, here.

President Donald Trump,

Business Acumen: Trump is known for his experience in real estate and branding, having built a business empire before his presidency.

Negotiation Skills: He is often praised for his deal-making abilities, which he highlighted in his book "The Art of the Deal."

Confidence: Trump is known for his confidence and assertiveness, which many find inspiring.

Direct Communication: His straightforward, often unfiltered way of speaking resonates with many who see it as refreshing and honest.

Resilience: Trump has shown a capacity to recover and persevere through various personal and professional challenges. Like, you know, getting shot in the head and immediately inspiring the people he represents to fight for Democracy.

Media Savvy: He has a keen understanding of media dynamics and has effectively used social media to engage with his base.

Focus on Economic Growth: During his presidency, Trump prioritized economic policies aimed at stimulating growth, including tax cuts and deregulation.

Patriotism: Trump frequently emphasizes his love for America and his commitment to putting American interests first.

Loyalty to Supporters: He is known for being very loyal to his base, often prioritizing their concerns and viewpoints.

Boldness: Trump’s willingness to take bold actions, even if controversial, appeals to those who prefer decisive leadership.

Charisma: His larger-than-life persona and energetic rallies have created a strong and dedicated following.

Focus on Law and Order: He often emphasizes the importance of law enforcement and public safety.

Unconventional Approach: His outsider status and non-traditional approach to politics attract those disillusioned with the status quo.

Commitment to Campaign Promises: Many supporters, including myself, appreciate his efforts to fulfill his campaign promises.

Advocacy for Trade Reform: His focus on renegotiating trade deals was aimed at benefiting American workers.

[Ivanstone]

Thank you for asking, here.

President Donald Trump,

Business Acumen: Trump is known for his experience in real estate and branding, having built a business empire before his presidency.

Negotiation Skills: He is often praised for his deal-making abilities, which he highlighted in his book "The Art of the Deal."

Confidence: Trump is known for his confidence and assertiveness, which many find inspiring.

Direct Communication: His straightforward, often unfiltered way of speaking resonates with many who see it as refreshing and honest.

Resilience: Trump has shown a capacity to recover and persevere through various personal and professional challenges. Like, you know, getting shot in the head and immediately inspiring the people he represents to fight for Democracy.

Media Savvy: He has a keen understanding of media dynamics and has effectively used social media to engage with his base.

Focus on Economic Growth: During his presidency, Trump prioritized economic policies aimed at stimulating growth, including tax cuts and deregulation.

Patriotism: Trump frequently emphasizes his love for America and his commitment to putting American interests first.

Loyalty to Supporters: He is known for being very loyal to his base, often prioritizing their concerns and viewpoints.

Boldness: Trump’s willingness to take bold actions, even if controversial, appeals to those who prefer decisive leadership.

Charisma: His larger-than-life persona and energetic rallies have created a strong and dedicated following.

Focus on Law and Order: He often emphasizes the importance of law enforcement and public safety.

Unconventional Approach: His outsider status and non-traditional approach to politics attract those disillusioned with the status quo.

Commitment to Campaign Promises: Many supporters, including myself, appreciate his efforts to fulfill his campaign promises.

Advocacy for Trade Reform: His focus on renegotiating trade deals was aimed at benefiting American workers.

Inherited his wealth and still managed to go bankrupt 4 times until Hollywood came to his rescue.
Bullying others with lawsuits isn’t considered to be negotiation.
Unearned confidence is a characteristic of narcissism.
Better Asshole than NoHole.
A shark must continue to swim forward or suffocate.
I’ll give you that. He figured out the importance of showmanship long before Hollywood came knocking.
Tax cuts curtail growth. Deregulation enables thievery.
You mean Nationalism.
He’d knife you for a nickel.
See above point on showmanship.
Committing revenge against your political enemies isn’t law and order. Neither is theft.
Spoiled rich kid. The ultimate insider.
Did he actually accomplish anything in his first term?
Trade makes money. Tariffs are a tax.

[Zaydin]

Thank you for asking, here.

President Donald Trump,

Business Acumen: Trump is known for his experience in real estate and branding, having built a business empire before his presidency.

Negotiation Skills: He is often praised for his deal-making abilities, which he highlighted in his book "The Art of the Deal."

Confidence: Trump is known for his confidence and assertiveness, which many find inspiring.

Direct Communication: His straightforward, often unfiltered way of speaking resonates with many who see it as refreshing and honest.

Resilience: Trump has shown a capacity to recover and persevere through various personal and professional challenges. Like, you know, getting shot in the head and immediately inspiring the people he represents to fight for Democracy.

Media Savvy: He has a keen understanding of media dynamics and has effectively used social media to engage with his base.

Focus on Economic Growth: During his presidency, Trump prioritized economic policies aimed at stimulating growth, including tax cuts and deregulation.

Patriotism: Trump frequently emphasizes his love for America and his commitment to putting American interests first.

Loyalty to Supporters: He is known for being very loyal to his base, often prioritizing their concerns and viewpoints.

Boldness: Trump’s willingness to take bold actions, even if controversial, appeals to those who prefer decisive leadership.

Charisma: His larger-than-life persona and energetic rallies have created a strong and dedicated following.

Focus on Law and Order: He often emphasizes the importance of law enforcement and public safety.

Unconventional Approach: His outsider status and non-traditional approach to politics attract those disillusioned with the status quo.

Commitment to Campaign Promises: Many supporters, including myself, appreciate his efforts to fulfill his campaign promises.

Advocacy for Trade Reform: His focus on renegotiating trade deals was aimed at benefiting American workers.

Nice list of bullshit.

Too bad it's all bullshit.

Or did you forget how both Trump and his company was found guilty of financial fraud and how he himself was convicted for falisfying business records?

That is just rebutting your first pile of BS in your Gish Gallop.

[Wilian]

Thank you for asking, here.

President Donald Trump,

Business Acumen: Trump is known for his experience in real estate and branding, having built a business empire before his presidency.

Inherited his wealth and only empire he built is empire of bankrupties.

Negotiation Skills: He is often praised for his deal-making abilities, which he highlighted in his book "The Art of the Deal."

A book he didn't write about the many successes he didn't have.

Confidence: Trump is known for his confidence and assertiveness, which many find inspiring.

Simple people are impressed and mistaken by arrogance and narcissim because they see themselves in it.

Direct Communication: His straightforward, often unfiltered way of speaking resonates with many who see it as refreshing and honest.

His incoherent rants has major appeal for the lobotomy patients and he is the walking evidence that if you repeat something enough (typically tenfold in single paragraph worth of words) there's someone dumb enough to be inspired by it.

Resilience: Trump has shown a capacity to recover and persevere through various personal and professional challenges.

He learnt from childhood that his wealth (both father's and inherited) sets him above law and responsibility. He is the poster child of "affluenza".

Media Savvy: He has a keen understanding of media dynamics and has effectively used social media to engage with his base.

He shoots shit at wall and some of it sticks for people with room temperature IQ.

Focus on Economic Growth: During his presidency, Trump prioritized economic policies aimed at stimulating growth, including tax cuts and deregulation.

During Trump presidency economy lost 2.9 million jobs, he hit highest trade deficit since the crash of 2008, he increased total federal debt by over 25%, home prices rose nearly 30%. Total economic growth is around -3.4% over his presidency. Corporate profits and the top 1% earnings were through the roof though.

Patriotism: Trump frequently emphasizes his love for America and his commitment to putting American interests first.

Trump is Trump first and about every of his actions typically benefits himself.

Loyalty to Supporters: He is known for being very loyal to his base, often prioritizing their concerns and viewpoints.

Trump is not loyal. Trump relies on cult like loyalty.

Boldness: Trump’s willingness to take bold actions, even if controversial, appeals to those who prefer decisive leadership.

Arrogance, narcissim and sheer incompetence are not boldness nor decisive.

Charisma: His larger-than-life persona and energetic rallies have created a strong and dedicated following.

Yeah, if you identify as snail.

Focus on Law and Order: He often emphasizes the importance of law enforcement and public safety.

Trump has broken multitude of laws and has been under investigations many years before stepping into the politics, despite claims of current "political witch hunt".

Unconventional Approach: His outsider status and non-traditional approach to politics attract those disillusioned with the status quo.

Trump was never outsider. He bragged he bought the politicians before his presidency. He is the insider.

Commitment to Campaign Promises: Many supporters, including myself, appreciate his efforts to fulfill his campaign promises.

He did cut taxes for the richest that is true. Still waiting on that wall bill for Mexico.

Advocacy for Trade Reform: His focus on renegotiating trade deals was aimed at benefiting American workers.

His re-negotiated trade deal (NAFTA) made milk slightly cheaper while empowering economies of US trade partners through incompetent deal making.

[Kathandira]

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Brought this slop back to reality:

President Donald Trump,

Business Acumen: The bankruptcy king!

Negotiation Skills: Didn't negotiate much as a president

Confidence: Unearned confidence

Direct Communication: His mouth runs faster than his brain, and it shows.

Resilience: Professional Victim

Media Savvy: A well versed manipulator

Focus on Economic Growth: Tax cuts and deregulation are not popular with those who do not benefit from them. In Trump's case, the majority of americans did not benefit.

Patriotism: Isolationism

Loyalty to Supporters: Doesn't cross the isle

Boldness: Decisive aka Reckless

Charisma: PT Barnum was charismatic as well. Also famous for the line, "A sucker is born every minute" Trump is no different

Focus on Law and Order: Laws for thee, but not for He.

Unconventional Approach: His base hates the big city elites. So they hired one of the worse. Suckers gonna get suckered.

Commitment to Campaign Promises: Actually failed on most of his campaign promises.

Advocacy for Trade Reform: And failed.

[Endus]

Thank you for asking, here.

President Donald Trump,

Business Acumen: Trump is known for his experience in real estate and branding, having built a business empire before his presidency.

He ran a casino into bankruptcy. He's worth less than he'd be worth if he'd put his inheritance into a money market account and then spent his entire adult life golfing.

Negotiation Skills

: He is often praised for his deal-making abilities, which he highlighted in his book "The Art of the Deal."

Which he didn't write.

Confidence

: Trump is known for his confidence and assertiveness, which many find inspiring.

Idiots are often confident, because they don't know any better.

Direct Communication

: His straightforward, often unfiltered way of speaking resonates with many who see it as refreshing and honest.

This is a lie. Trump's language is heavily filtered, and generally incoherent on top of that.

Resilience

: Trump has shown a capacity to recover and persevere through various personal and professional challenges. Like, you know, getting shot in the head and immediately inspiring the people he represents to fight for Democracy.

He's a trust fund baby who's never faced any real challenges in his entire life. His ear was grazed, he was not "shot in the head". After he was patched up, he went golfing.

Media Savvy

: He has a keen understanding of media dynamics and has effectively used social media to engage with his base.

The same could be said of any influencer. Social media is a trash fire of terrible people.

Focus on Economic Growth

: During his presidency, Trump prioritized economic policies aimed at stimulating growth, including tax cuts and deregulation.

None of which resulted in any change in economic growth. That didn't happen until Biden took over. https://www.vox.com/politics/2409475...2024-inflation

So is it that Trump's an idiot when it comes to economics, or are you just lying?

Patriotism

: Trump frequently emphasizes his love for America and his commitment to putting American interests first.

Jingoism is not patriotism. And "America First" is a Nazi-friendly slogan; it was most significantly used as a slogan to keep the USA out of WWII by Nazi sympathizers.

Loyalty to Supporters

: He is known for being very loyal to his base, often prioritizing their concerns and viewpoints.

His policies didn't help his supporters. So this is a lie.

Boldness

: Trump’s willingness to take bold actions, even if controversial, appeals to those who prefer decisive leadership.

In other words, idiots. What you're describing is "being wrong but quickly and without second thought".

Charisma

: His larger-than-life persona and energetic rallies have created a strong and dedicated following.

Same was true of Hitler, dude.

Focus on Law and Order

: He often emphasizes the importance of law enforcement and public safety.

He's a fuckin' felon, guilty of dozens of crimes already, and the charges aren't even all resolved yet.

Unconventional Approach

: His outsider status and non-traditional approach to politics attract those disillusioned with the status quo.

His approach to politics is literally the same as any past Republican. He's just louder.

Commitment to Campaign Promises

: Many supporters, including myself, appreciate his efforts to fulfill his campaign promises.

Given your record so far in this list alone, that's pretty laughable.

Advocacy for Trade Reform

: His focus on renegotiating trade deals was aimed at benefiting American workers.

No, aimed at benefiting American capitalists. Why would Trump give a single shit about workers? He's a capitalist. All his friends are capitalists. His tax breaks were for rich people. Etc. Looney tunes, dude.


Edit: Geez, looks like we all had the same idea.

[Calfredd]

You do realize that...

...oh, I see what you're saying. How long after he dies, before you can pretend you never supported him. You know, if you know he's a horrible person, you can stop supporting him now. You don't have to wait until he dies first. You can say "I'm not supporting this violent terrorist and awful human being" like, right now.

YUPPIE doesn't support Trump but not because of any (morally) good reason; it is because Trump isn't a strong manly-man like his not-so-secret crush Putin who he freely admitted that the only reason he dislikes Putin is because he is president of Russia and not president of the U.S.

[Templar 331]

Focus on Law and Order: He often emphasizes the importance of law enforcement and public safety.

I'd love to jump on all the bullshit you spouted here but I think I'll just take this one on.

Just off the top of my head:

https://i.imgur.com/YWekjtf.mp4

Here's Trump wanting to shoot protesters with the National Guard.

https://i.imgur.com/HHXAK52.mp4

Here's Trump suggesting executing someone leaking to the public that he's a bunker bitch.

So what law was he enforcing by wanting to do these things? Bypassing the legal system and go strait to execution is the opposite of law enforcement and public safety.

[Kathandira]

I'd love to jump on all the bullshit you spouted here but I think I'll just take this one on.

Just off the top of my head:

https://i.imgur.com/YWekjtf.mp4

Here's Trump wanting to shoot protesters with the National Guard.

https://i.imgur.com/HHXAK52.mp4

Here's Trump suggesting executing someone leaking to the public that he's a bunker bitch.

So what law was he enforcing by wanting to do these things? Bypassing the legal system and go strait to execution is the opposite of law enforcement and public safety.

You can also add when he was campaigning and advocated for people to beat the crap outta people, and that he would cover their legal bills.

[The Stormbringer]

Thank you for asking, here.
-SNIP-

This is all about as real as Trump's shitty hairdo. You're either brainwashed, a troll, or pushing an agenda by throwing out this propaganda slop. I'm sure people have taken you to task on this already, but let's try some more, shall we?

Trump has bankrupted a ridiculous number of times, four times under Chapter 11, and two more times beyond that. One of which, I might add, was a casino, a business known to never lose money. He is a terrible fucking businessman.

His "deal-making abilities" are shit. Are you the type of person that thinks just because someone wrote a book about something, they actually know what they're talking about?

His "confidence and assertiveness" are, quite clearly, just arrogance and narcissism. He's a spoiled kid used to getting his way.

He is "straightforward" and "unfiltered" because he's a moron who doesn't understand subtlety and nuance in the slightest. This is also how he gets caught out on so many lies, because he will claim something is opposite to another thing he'd already said, often repeatedly!

His "resilience" is stubbornness, like a child throwing a tantrum and refusing to move from their spot. He didn't care about inspiring people, he cared about salvaging his rally to get a good photo op so the sheep would continue to vote for him.

He doesn't understand jack about media either, he's simply such an embarrassment that people will eat up everything he does, like watching a train derail.

His tax cuts, deregulation, and trade war caused incredible damage to our economy. The "growth" you thought you saw was a trend that had carried over from Obama's eight years in office, and then started plummeting when Trump fumbled what he'd been given.

He is in no way a Patriot, unless you think America = Donald Trump, because the only thing that comes first to him is himself.

He is one of the least loyal people out there. The man didn't even phone up the family of the guy who DIED at the rally, taking a bullet that was meant for Trump.

You say "bold", I say "fucking stupid and incapable of consulting experts or thinking in the long term".

His "charisma" isn't even as impressive as ole Funny Moustache Man was back in Germany (a true example of a horrible human being), which just tells you the sad state of affairs of people who buy into it.

His "focus on law and order" is, if anything, a complete farce. He has spurred people on to acts of violence and disruption plenty of times, and made a complete mockery of our legal system with his constant stall-stall-stall-delay-delay-delay tactics for his many, MANY legal proceedings.

Campaign promises? Trump kept 23% of his promises, compromised on 22%, and broke 53%. TOP FOUR PROMISES: Repeal Obamacare! Didn't happen! Build a wall, and make Mexico pay for it! Neither was it built, nor did Mexico pay for it! Suspend immigration from "terror-prone places"! This one he did, even though doing so was completely stupid and unnecessary. Cut taxes for everyone! He did cut taxes... for the rich, who he made sure would get those tax cuts as long as possible! I could go on, but I won't.

"Trade reform" and helping American workers? Here, I'll take this one straight from Wikipedia: "Studies have found that Trump's tariffs reduced real income in the United States, as well as adversely affecting U.S. GDP. Some studies also concluded that the tariffs adversely affected Republican candidates in elections."

So yeah, it's all fucking bullshit, and you either need to educate yourself, rethink your live choices, or be ashamed of yourself.

[Edge-]

I'd love to jump on all the bullshit you spouted here but I think I'll just take this one on.

Just off the top of my head:

https://i.imgur.com/YWekjtf.mp4

Here's Trump wanting to shoot protesters with the National Guard.

https://i.imgur.com/HHXAK52.mp4

Here's Trump suggesting executing someone leaking to the public that he's a bunker bitch.

So what law was he enforcing by wanting to do these things? Bypassing the legal system and go strait to execution is the opposite of law enforcement and public safety.

I mean, dude stole classified documents, lied to the National Archives and FBI about stealing them, tried to hide them after storing them in a bathroom, and eventually had to get his club raided by the FBI to secure the documents and return them to the government.

That's unprecedented, and surely not very lawful or orderly.

[Zaydin]

Edit: Geez, looks like we all had the same idea.

The whole thing is a blatant Gish Gallop which is why I only bothered replying to the part about Trumps businesses. Flood the end with so much bullshit the other side can't pick which part to start cleaning up first.

[tikcol]

Took me a while to compile and fact check but here is a list of achievements and positive outcomes often cited by supporters and analysts alike regarding Donald Trump's presidency and that will undoubtedly be expanded upon his next term.

Please, feel free to add your own.

Economic Achievements:

Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (2017): Major tax reform that reduced corporate tax rates and lowered individual tax rates for many, which proponents argue stimulated economic growth and investment.

Economic Growth: The U.S. experienced significant economic growth and low unemployment rates pre-COVID-19.

Deregulation: Reduction of regulatory burdens on businesses, which analysts believe encouraged economic expansion and job creation.

Foreign Policy and National Security:

Middle East Peace Agreements: The Abraham Accords, normalizing relations between Israel and several Arab countries, were seen as a significant diplomatic achievement.

Military Funding: Increased funding for the U.S. military and support for veterans.

ISIS Defeat: Continued efforts leading to the territorial defeat of ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

North Korea Diplomacy: Engagement with North Korea, including historic summits with Kim Jong-un, aimed at denuclearization.

Judicial Appointments:

Supreme Court Justices: Appointment of three Supreme Court justices (Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett), shifting the Court's balance to a more conservative stance.

Federal Judges: Appointment of numerous conservative federal judges, shaping the judiciary for years to come.

Domestic Policy:

Criminal Justice Reform: Signing the First Step Act, which aimed at reforming the criminal justice system and reducing recidivism.

Right-to-Try Legislation: Allowing terminally ill patients to access experimental treatments.

Veterans Affairs Reform: Efforts to improve the
Department of Veterans Affairs, including the VA MISSION Act to expand healthcare options for veterans.

Energy and Environment:

Energy Independence: Policies aimed at increasing domestic energy production, leading to the U.S. becoming a net exporter of energy for the first time in decades.

Withdrawal from the Paris Agreement: Supporters argue this move was beneficial for American economic interests by avoiding regulatory constraints.
Immigration and Border Security:

Border Security: Emphasis on strengthening border security and building portions of the border wall.

Immigration Enforcement: Increased focus on enforcing existing immigration laws and policies.

Trade Policies:

USMCA: Renegotiation of NAFTA, resulting in the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), aimed at modernizing trade relations in North America.

Trade Stance on China: Efforts to address trade imbalances and intellectual property issues with China.

Healthcare:

Prescription Drug Prices: Initiatives aimed at reducing prescription drug prices, including efforts to increase transparency and competition.

Social Policies:
Support for Religious Freedom: Policies and executive orders aimed at protecting religious freedoms and rights.


If I had to pick which one gives me the greatest of confidences he will do a great job in the current geopolitical climate, it would be the The Abraham Accords.

[Tyris Flare]

If I had to pick which one gives me the greatest of confidences he will do a great job in the current geopolitical climate, it would be the The Abraham Accords.

Setting everything else aside, trying to around the Palestinians is a big contributor to the Hamas attack on Oct 7th. Check out some of the recent interviews if you are interested. Republicans and Israeli diehards will still consider this an potential achievement though.

Unfortunately for Dems, the Biden admin has fumbled the Gaza football so badly since the attack that it has massively splintered the party on top of crushing the legacy he'd like to project, doubly so if the Ukrainan army collapses and/or the gov't is forced into a settlement in the near future, which is a non-zero possibility given the bleak situation on the ground.