Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Kaleredar]

I think there's a big difference between airing his constant barrage of bullshit and never calling him on anything versus putting him on stage with people willing to ask him tough questions and hold his feet to the fire.

So, if this is the type of situation we're talkign about, then yes more of that, but if its more of what's been happening since 2015, then yes deplatform him.

See here's where I think the media's own greed could actually do something for good.

I would think "TRUMP BUNGLES INTERVIEW, SAYS OUTRAGEOUS NONSENSE AND SQUIRMS UNDER QUESTIONING, DETAILS WITHIN!" would be a headline and video feed that sells pretty well. Remember, more people have always disliked Trump than liked him. Playing up the "here's Trump being made uncomfortable and bumbling questions" could be an angle that gets clicks pretty readily. Then all the democrats have to do is hop on the back of it and say "ya'll see what this weirdo is saying?"

The "risk" in investing in this is that Trump ceases to do interviews outside of his very safe spaces. But even then, high profile media bodies asking for Trump to give interviews and then either lambasting him for chickening out or could pull 180s on their previous soft-handed interviews and start to grill him, putting his utter incompetency on display for clicks.


The media is fickle. It needs controversy and hearsay to drive clicks. They had their red meat with "Omg Biden is old" and "Omg Biden is facing internal pressure to drop out" but now that that's all out the window they don't really have much to go off from Harris. Trump and Vance are the next easiest targets, and if the narrative of "their a bunch of inarticulate weirdos, come look at their lunacy" is what sells then they could very well pivot to that.

[Gabriel]

Break out the forceps, Hans, we must measure the craniums!

White conservative dudes are Making Phrenology Great Again!

It's like they didn't pay any attention to that dust-up with Elizabeth Warren posting bloodwork showing she had a tiny amount of Native ancestry and the Native peoples being all like, "Liz, fam, that's not how any of this fucking works please stop this shit."

Which is especially funny because her claiming to be Native and the Native people saying, "No, Liz." was one of the central critiques Republicans made against her that time she ran for president, too.

Every time I read this word I have to do this mental dance to remind myself it is not about penises.

[Breccia]

Crowd leaves Pennsylvania rally early as Trump just says "Crazy Kamala" over and over with no point.

"Har har. What's the real headline?"

Crowd Leaves Early As Trump Delivers 90-Minute Attack on 'Crazy Kamala'

In his first appearance in the Keystone State since the attempted assassination at a Butler rally several weeks ago, Trump kicked off the campaign event talking about the shooting and held a moment of silence for firefighter Corey Comperatore who was killed at the rally.

As the night went on, the once-enthusiastic crowd members started to leave the Harrisburg rally early as Trump often went off script during the speech that hit hard on topics impacting voters like fracking and the economy.

In typical Trump fashion, the GOP presidential candidate once again talked about Hannibal Lecter, deporting illegal immigrants and took every opportunity to remind the crowd of how terrible the Biden-Harris administration is.

Yes, there were empty seats in a small indoors venue.

[Nymrohd]

Every time I read this word I have to do this mental dance to remind myself it is not about penises.

That's nice, every time I see it I think of the Herero and Nama genocide that telegraphed the Holocaust.

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Yes, there were empty seats in a small indoors venue.

Trump cannot even fill a theater. At this point, maybe he should start performing at bars.

[Gabriel]

That's nice, every time I see it I think of the Herero and Nama genocide that telegraphed the Holocaust.

That's nice, but the reason I have to do it is because I'm not a native latin speaker, and the word "phrenology" looks and sounds like "frenology" to me, which in turn reminds me of the word "frenuloplasty". A medical procedure I had to have done since the frenulum in my penis snapped one time I was having sex and there was a lot of blood.

So when I see it I imagine a bunch of dudes measuring their dicks together.

[Nymrohd]

That's nice, but the reason I have to do it is because I'm not a native latin speaker, and the word "phrenology" looks and sounds like "frenology" to me, which in turn reminds me of the word "frenuloplasty". A medical procedure I had to have done since the frenulum in my penis snapped one time I was having sex and there was a lot of blood.

So when I see it I imagine a bunch of dudes measuring their dicks together.

Fun fact, the term itself is an etymological misnomer; the "phren" part does not mean skull in Greek/Ancient Greek, it means mind.

But yeah the crucial part is that scientific racism remains to this day important for white supremacists. After all there is a need to justify their racism either through science or scripture. It shows how unnatural that hatred is for the human mind without some form of justification that they need to make something up to excuse and rationalize it.

[Breccia]

Trump cannot even fill a theater. At this point, maybe he should start performing at bars.

I would say "he could use that as a cover for his rambling incoherent speech filled with blatant lies and childish insults" but Trump famously does not drink.

So it would be for the audience's benefit, and I have no interest in benefitting the audience. You sign up for a racist pep rally, you stand in the hot sun for 2 extra hours, bitch.

[Edge-]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/01/polit...ney/index.html

A New York appeals court has rejected Donald Trump’s attempt to lift a gag order that continues to restrict his public statements in the wake of his New York criminal conviction.

As it stands, the gag order bars Trump from publicly discussing the prosecutors, court staff and their families.

In the decision filed Thursday, a panel of judges from the Appellate Division First Department said Judge Juan Merchan can keep the gag order in place through Trump’s sentencing.

For the 500th time, Donald is still bound by the gag order not to shit-talk prosecutors, court staff, or their families because of the unfortunate reality that he lies about them and whips his followers into a violent frenzy.

[Breccia]

DC board recommends Trump ally Clark lose his law license for attacking the election.

Clark acted with "extraordinary recklessness" in his attempts to send a letter in December 2020 and January 2021 falsely claiming that the Justice Department had identified concerns about the integrity of the election, a three-member committee of District of Columbia Board on Professional Responsibility said.

The board handles attorney ethics cases involving lawyers in Washington. The panel's recommendation will now be considered by the full D.C. Board on Professional Responsibility and then a Washington appeals court.

The panel stopped short of recommending that Clark lose his law license, as the D.C. Office of Disciplinary Counsel, which brought ethics charges against Clark, had recommended. It also found that Clark's conduct was not as bad as that of former Trump lawyers John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani, who have also faced attorney ethics charges for attempting to subvert the election results.

Man, Trump allies who blatantly break the law, violate their professional responsibilities, and/or willingly attempt to subvert democracy in full view of the public seem to have the worst luck. It's like penalties are levied on them all the time for some reason.

[Valdhammer]

I think there's a big difference between airing his constant barrage of bullshit and never calling him on anything versus putting him on stage with people willing to ask him tough questions and hold his feet to the fire.

So, if this is the type of situation we're talkign about, then yes more of that, but if its more of what's been happening since 2015, then yes deplatform him.

And not 24 hours later, you had the NYT and other outlets writing articles re-contextualizing Trump’s deranged racist attacks as some sort of insightful or strategic “questioning of Harris’s identity” instead of calling it what it was - racist ravaging of an unhinged autocrat.

Trump would not need to be deplatformed if the media covered his appearances in a responsible manner.

[Paranoid Android]

SCOOP: Trump didn't want to be fact-checked live at NABJ and was refusing to go on stage — a stalemate so prolonged that NABJ president Ken Lemon was prepping a statement to explain why Trump wouldn't show.

As Lemon was prepping it, Trump walked on stage.

https://x.com/axios/status/181934144...M6gM1X9pw&s=19

At the time, Trump blamed the delay on audio problems — which Lemon says were an issue at first but were "resolved very quickly."

"The bigger problem was his threat not to take the stage when he had agreed to go on."

So Trump was acting like a little bitch about being fact checked which caused the delay. Admittedly a Power Move just walking on stage when they were about to call it. Maybe also already blaming on technical issues.

The narrative was Trump had a hard out of one hour. That the delays were why Trump left so abruptly for his travel to the rally l.

[Breccia]

"As Lemon was prepping it, Trump walked on stage."

Giving two definitions of "playing chicken". Now that they did this, hopefully real news like ABC, CBS, and (I get to say this because FOX News voluntarily bowed out) CNN will step up and do the same. Trump cannot afford to lose coverage. If they say "we will call you out on your objective falsehoods, or we will cut you off" he will cave.

Granted, he'll just go to a rally and keep lying again. He's insane and possibly retarded.

Harris should be given the same treatment. She'll just shrug and say "Okay."

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Supreme Court returns Trump Jan. 6 immunity judgment to lower court

In a 6-3 ruling authored by Chief Justice John Roberts, the court found that a president has absolute immunity for acts within their core constitutional powers and a presumption of immunity for "acts within the outer perimeter of his official responsibility."

Judge Chutkan will now be responsible for applying the Supreme Court's decision to the allegations in Trump's criminal case, including whether Trump's actions were "official acts" or private conduct that can be prosecuted.

For those of you following Trump's cases, also known as "anyone", you know Chutkan has been following the law and common sense. It's widely known that (re)election campaigns are not part of the WH's duties. It's not impossible, but it will be a hard sell in general.

It won't help Trump's case that his lawyers are garbage.

[Gorsameth]

Giving two definitions of "playing chicken". Now that they did this, hopefully real news like ABC, CBS, and (I get to say this because FOX News voluntarily bowed out) CNN will step up and do the same. Trump cannot afford to lose coverage. If they say "we will call you out on your objective falsehoods, or we will cut you off" he will cave.

Granted, he'll just go to a rally and keep lying again. He's insane and possibly retarded.

Harris should be given the same treatment. She'll just shrug and say "Okay."

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Supreme Court returns Trump Jan. 6 immunity judgment to lower court



For those of you following Trump's cases, also known as "anyone", you know Chutkan has been following the law and common sense. It's widely known that (re)election campaigns are not part of the WH's duties. It's not impossible, but it will be a hard sell in general.

It won't help Trump's case that his lawyers are garbage.

wtf are "acts within the outer perimeter of his official responsibility."
other then "whatever we, the conservative stacked SC, decide"

[Breccia]

wtf are "acts within the outer perimeter of his official responsibility."
other then "whatever we, the conservative stacked SC, decide"

Effectively that. The SCOTUS ruling is, for all intents and purposes, you have to win a new special trial to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that what Trump did is not part of the WH role, before charges can proceed. Yes, I'm saying "Trump" not "the President" until Biden is arrested, and let's not delude ourselves, this ruling is Trump-specific. That ruling can face appeals up to SCOTUS, but it's still made by the judge in that case, apparently.

So basically, the second Trump's lawyers say "as President that's his job" it comes to a crashing halt until both prosecution and Trump can get past that. In some cases, such as "paying a $130,000 whore" the answer is clearly no. In other cases, such as "stealing top secret information and putting it in his wife's bedroom then lying to the Feds about it for years after losing the election" it's going to be less clear, in the sense of "SCOTUS will have to really dig deep to spring him on this one".

Short answer, yes, SCOTUS will eventually be asked and yes, they will do whatever they need to do to keep Trump from going to jail for all those crimes he committed. However, he'll be handed loss after loss while it works its way up. Hopefully Harris can capitalize on those losses by pointing out how many times he's been convicted and of what.

[Celista]

So Trump was acting like a little bitch about being fact checked which caused the delay. Admittedly a Power Move just walking on stage when they were about to call it. Maybe also already blaming on technical issues.

That is rich as he was blaming the NABJ for the dely. I don't view it as a power move, more of a pussy move. He got scared that he was going to get called out so he gave in.

[Breccia]

I don't view it as a power move, more of a pussy move. He got scared that he was going to get called out so he gave in.

Thank you for saying it in cleaner language than I was about to. Trump bluffed, he got called, and he folded. None of that was strong or smart.

[Celista]

Thank you for saying it in cleaner language than I was about to. Trump bluffed, he got called, and he folded. None of that was strong or smart.

Happy to do so, glad I am not the only one who felt that way

In other news...some legal updates for Felon Don.

[Paranoid Android]

That is rich as he was blaming the NABJ for the dely. I don't view it as a power move, more of a pussy move. He got scared that he was going to get called out so he gave in.

Ahh, you and @Breccia don't get sarcasm when I just called him a B.

[Celista]

Ahh, you and @Breccia don't get sarcasm when I just called him a B.

I am dense and need the /s. lol

[Paranoid Android]

I am dense and need the /s. lol

On me also for not being clear. As I stated Trump is a B. Him thinking he could control the situation of having a tantrum is typical Trump.