Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Kaleredar]

Trump has reportedly selected Mike Waltz for national security adviser. He is a China hawk, a NATO critic (though doesn't want to withdraw from it), anti DEI/CRT, and while he had been pro-Ukraine at one point, he now wants the US to reassess its aims with the Pacific getting the resources.

A china hawk?

But Xi said all those nice things about Trump! Trump told us so himself!

Besides, if the US goes to heavy anti-china, how are they going to import all of those china-made MAGA hats?

[ringpriest]

On the flip side, Trump's allegiances are so fickle and his brain has been clearly deteriorating that he might just start redoubling Weapon Shipments to Ukraine out of spite because Putin said mean things to him.

Welcome back to the Chaos Presidency; now with at least 60% More Dementia and 100% more petty spite.

Yep. And it seems pretty clear that Zelenskyy now has an even better idea of the level of flattery that will work on Donald Trump. That won't do him much good if the three of them are in a room negotiating (Trump will start simping to Putin's alpha dictator act before the doors close), but short of that he can hopefully get quite a bit out of him. (It's sad that he needs to, but no one in the West, from Ukraine itself to the US or in-between has ramped up weapons production the way they all ought to have over the last three years.)

[Xyonai]

Yep. And it seems pretty clear that Zelenskyy now has an even better idea of the level of flattery that will work on Donald Trump. That won't do him much good if the three of them are in a room negotiating (Trump will start simping to Putin's alpha dictator act before the doors close), but short of that he can hopefully get quite a bit out of him. (It's sad that he needs to, but no one in the West, from Ukraine itself to the US or in-between has ramped up weapons production the way they all ought to have over the last three years.)

Yeah I said what I said mostly in jest. The only thing I stand by is that Trump is - for better or worse - fairly unpredictable, yet also such a slave to his ego that it's not hard to divine where his intentions will be. If left alone he'll just do whatever, with a bunch of autocrats, rich fuckholes, Fundamentalist Ghouls, and his shitty kids in his ears, I'm just expecting a greatest hits of shitty republican policy decisions.

Ukraine support is kind of a tossup, but while I think there are still enough Pro-Ukraine Republicans in both chambers to stall any mass defunding bills, Trump's probably still gonna wind down support, or make it contingent on some really stupid things.

[Zeth Hawkins]

NO THE FUCK IT WASN'T.

Family separation wasn't a Trump policy, ending catch and release was. As you can't detain minors among an adult population, for their safety, those minors had to be separated out. Trump then broke that law with his executive order to prevent family separation.

Children being separated from parents when the parents commit a crime has been around for countless years. We don't send children to prison with their parents to keep them together, or not send people to prison just because they have kids.

[Edge-]

Family separation wasn't a Trump policy

You know the internet and web search exists, right?

Children being separated from parents when the parents commit a crime has been around for countless years.

Claiming asylum isn't a crime. See the video above.

[postman1782]

Family separation wasn't a Trump policy, ending catch and release was. As you can't detain minors among an adult population, for their safety, those minors had to be separated out. Trump then broke that law with his executive order to prevent family separation.

Children being separated from parents when the parents commit a crime has been around for countless years. We don't send children to prison with their parents to keep them together, or not send people to prison just because they have kids.

YES THE FUCK IT WAS. It was NEVER A FUCKING THING til 2018 when Stephen Miller and Jeff Sessions made it, shut the fuck up. The difference between what was before that and what you are talking about, was that they separated ASYLUM SEEKERS children from their parents. You can shove that shit up your ass.

[zorkuus]

Family separation wasn't a Trump policy, ending catch and release was.

Stop lying degenerate piece of shit.


Infracted.

[draynay]

Get a grip, this poster has been spewing the same bullshit for years.

[Doomcookie]

Family separation wasn't a Trump policy, ending catch and release was. As you can't detain minors among an adult population, for their safety, those minors had to be separated out. Trump then broke that law with his executive order to prevent family separation.

Children being separated from parents when the parents commit a crime has been around for countless years. We don't send children to prison with their parents to keep them together, or not send people to prison just because they have kids.

No, Trump's own administration admitted that the entire point of separating families was to punish them, and it was a threat to the parents.

This has been known for years, and you are lying.

[Draco-Onis]

Family separation wasn't a Trump policy, ending catch and release was.

I know what you are doing but for whoever is dumb enough to believe this, the internet never forgets.

‘We Need to Take Away Children,’ No Matter How Young, Justice Dept. Officials Said

“We need to take away children,” Mr. Sessions told the prosecutors, according to participants’ notes. One added in shorthand: “If care about kids, don’t bring them in. Won’t give amnesty to people with kids.”

Sessions, top DOJ officials knew ‘zero tolerance’ would separate families, watchdog finds


They bragged about this there are speeches by Sessions, interviews with Bannon and many other people who were part of Trump's administration at the time.

[Shadowferal]

Family separation wasn't a Trump policy, ending catch and release was. As you can't detain minors among an adult population, for their safety, those minors had to be separated out. Trump then broke that law with his executive order to prevent family separation. Children being separated from parents when the parents commit a crime has been around for countless years. We don't send children to prison with their parents to keep them together, or not send people to prison just because they have kids.

Trump administration family separation policy Family separations began in the summer of 2017, prior to the public announcement of the "zero tolerance" policy in April 2018. The policy was officially adopted across the entire US–Mexico border from April 2018 until June 2018. The practice of family separation continued for at least eighteen months after the policy's official end, with an estimated 1,100 families separated between June 2018 and the end of 2019. In total, more than 5,500 children, including infants, were separated from their families.

By early June 2018, it emerged that the policy did not include measures to reunite the families that it had separated. Scott Lloyd, director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, had directed his staff not to maintain a list of children who had been separated from their parents. Matthew Albence, head of enforcement and removal operations for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, had told his colleagues to prevent reunification even after the parents had been processed by the judicial system, saying that reunification "undermines the entire effort."

But then, I'm sure you knew of this.
Which begs the question, "Why are you lying?" No one here is ignorant ill-educated gobbling everything fucker Carlson laughs/titters at..I mean really, what were you thinking...(presumably)? That you might convince anyone here of "both sides?" Since we already know which side your on, why not simply own up to it instead?
You're not the good guy here. And since you support such atrocities, you never will be.

[Endus]

Claiming asylum isn't a crime. See the video above.

Being in the USA while undocumented also isn't a crime, even if you haven't claimed asylum.

That's why "illegal immigrants" is not a respectable term. It's a lie. There's literally nothing "illegal" about their presence.

[Zaydin]

Family separation wasn't a Trump policy, ending catch and release was. As you can't detain minors among an adult population, for their safety, those minors had to be separated out. Trump then broke that law with his executive order to prevent family separation.

Children being separated from parents when the parents commit a crime has been around for countless years. We don't send children to prison with their parents to keep them together, or not send people to prison just because they have kids.

Yes, it was. It was a deliberately cruel policy and we will be seeing it on steroids when he's back.

[Paranoid Android]

President-elect Trump picks former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee to be the U.S. ambassador to Israel.

Hmm? I guess a ultra Christian zionist is a better pick than anyone. I did expect someone different. Surprising somewhat, I was expecting the person who openly was calling for taking of West Bank, removal of Palestine people, taking land, etc. Idk if Huckabee openly spoke this hardcore, but I expect he is hardcore.

Edit: News sources reporting that Huckabee is full in on annexation, etc.

[Gorsameth]

President-elect Trump picks former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee to be the U.S. ambassador to Israel.

Hmm? I guess a ultra Christian zionist is a better pick than anyone. I did expect someone different. Surprising somewhat, I was expecting the person who openly was calling for taking of West Bank, removal of Palestine people, taking land, etc. Idk if Huckabee openly spoke this hardcore, but I expect he is hardcore.

Edit: News sources reporting that Huckabee is full in on annexation, etc.

Hey remember all those people saying they voted for Trump because he would be better for Palestinians?
yeah..

[zorkuus]

Hey remember all those people saying they voted for Trump because he would be better for Palestinians?
yeah..

Remember all those people who voted for sicko don because he's "anti-war"?

[Captain N]

Remember all those people who voted for sicko don because he's "anti-war"?

So how long before the US has another 9/11 type event because Trump decided to let Israel turn Gaza into glass?

[Logwyn]

Trump is saying that we are going to take Federal Land and turn it into cities....Where we gonna get the money?

[Edge-]

Trump is saying that we are going to take Federal Land and turn it into cities....Where we gonna get the money?

Cities run and operated by members of the federal government? Is anyone even considering things like "How will we ensure they have access to utilities like water and electricity"?

[Draco-Onis]

Trump is saying that we are going to take Federal Land and turn it into cities....Where we gonna get the money?

that's not really the plan he is simply handing out federal land to his private cronies for development and oil exploration to their heart's desires. The odds of Trump building new cities are basically nil.