Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Doomcookie]

The election had at least a 65% turnout on a national level and that's keeping in mind that there's a lot of states where voters know that one party or the other will win for certain like CA or TX.

The states which actually decided the election had a turnout of at the worst 70%, with states like Florida and Pennsylvania close if not above 80% turnout. When Trump wins Florida by over 13% with close to a 80% turnout voter suppression means squat.

The tired argument of voter suppression and low turnout was relevant back in 2014 ( which had something like 36% turnout ), it sure as hell isn't relevant in 2024. Hell I'd even make an argument that if turnout was 90%+ Trump may have done better than he actually did. Because a lot of people DO despise him on a personal level but they despise the last 4 years of economic policy far more.


Sure the turnout in the US wasn't as good as Germany, you have to give it them on the efficiency level, but was similar to the recent French election, higher by almost double digits compared to the UK and a few % higher than Italy.

I despise Trump for being a sore loser back in 2020, extremely so, it's no better if anyone that voted or agrees with dems tries to play that card here.

Why do Eastern Europeans insist on lying about the economy in the United States?

This is one of the more strange things to see, over and over again. Inflation spiked around the world, including in your country. In fact, it was objectively higher in Romania over the last several years. Are you saying Biden somehow caused your country's inflation rate to spike? Or, are you just full of shit?

Trump tried to overthrow the government. He committed numerous crimes in his attempt to do so. And yet, here you are, supporting him, and lying for him.

[Specialka]

Stephen King got banned on twitter for calling Elon Musk the First Lady.

Just shows how petty Elom is.

Actually it seems like it was already reversed...

Haha, that one was good.

[En Sabah Nur]

They reeeeaaaaaally want themselves a dictator.

[Flarelaine]

Why do Eastern Europeans insist on lying about the economy in the United States?

I believe that while the number of Eastern Europeans posting on MMO-Champion with any regularity is too small a sample for any statistical purpose, you might find that your blanket statement is still demonstrably untrue.

[alach]

Because their sources are mostly online influencers with right leaning views. News media on the tv is more like local news, not all in depth.
Like, for instance, people like Trump because he's a great businessman, completely unaware that it isn't true in the least because that information isn't bothered to be covered. Same in Africa right?
I think.

[Doomcookie]

I believe that while the number of Eastern Europeans posting on MMO-Champion with any regularity is too small a sample for any statistical purpose, you might find that your blanket statement is still demonstrably untrue.

Well, in the span of a short amount of time, there were two from Romania who did exactly that.

Now, it's a small sample size, but it is a rather strange coincidence.

[Elenos]

Trump tried to overthrow the government. He committed numerous crimes in his attempt to do so. And yet, here you are, supporting him, and lying for him.

What freaking lie are we talking about here? Whether or not it has merit, and I am not discussing the merits of the economy, the vast bulk of voters in the United States DO despise how the economy was handled over the last 4 years.

Or are you denying the reality of one of the most significant reasons Harris got trounced? The same one shown in poll after poll after poll?

Don't put words in my mouth. Thanks.

Oh and let's discuss the actual merits of inflation in the US vs Europe, since some people are too narrow minded and too focused on their 'facts' vs actual objective reality as to WHY inflation was worse in Europe, and I know exactly why inflation has been so bad in my country thank you very much and I am not busy pretending Biden was some wonder kid vs the leaders in Europe.

Europe pre-2022 Ukraine war imported significant amounts of both energy AND fertilizer from Russia. When the war started and we sanctioned the hell out of Russia, and rightly so, Putin cut off our gas supplies and stopped exports of fertilizer. Add to the fact that Romania imports an enormous amounts of goods via the Black Sea....where there's a bloody shooting war going on, you can start

Producing food costs energy, fertilizer costs energy, losing both in vast quantities? Yeah no freaking shit we had bad inflation. We spent over 1 trillion USD to prevent energy prices from decimating us in 2022 alone over here in the EU. The US wasn't immune to these issues, but it was never so dumb as to buy gas from Russia.

[Doomcookie]

What freaking lie are we talking about here? Whether or not it has merit, and I am not discussing the merits of the economy, the vast bulk of voters in the United States DO despise how the economy was handled over the last 4 years.

Or are you denying the reality of one of the most significant reasons Harris got trounced?

Don't put words in my mouth. Thanks.

I'm calling you out for pushing the same bullshit that Trump pushed. The economy is just fine, and has been for almost the entirety of the last 15 years. The one main issue over the last 4 years, was inflation, and it is objectively higher in your country.

So, this is a lie you insist on repeating. Just because you continue to push the same lie told by others, doesn't make it less of a lie. It just makes it a popular lie.

[PhaelixWW]

the vast bulk of voters in the United States DO despise how the economy was handled over the last 4 years.

Wrong. Most Americans were unhappy with the state of the economy, but polls were much more balanced on which party they trusted more to fix it.

Or are you denying the reality of one of the most significant reasons Harris got trounced?

You think 50% to 48% qualifies as getting "trounced"?

Your narrative doesn't match reality, sorry.

[Shadowferal]

I believe that while the number of Eastern Europeans posting on MMO-Champion with any regularity is too small a sample for any statistical purpose, you might find that your blanket statement is still demonstrably untrue.

on behalf of the US stereotype I apologize.

[Breccia]

Giuliani's lawyers flee in terror.

They call out that Giuliani has just not been listening to them. So, they want out.

Seems like a stupid fucking thing for a lawyer himself (well, he has legal training, he's disbarred for aiding terrorists) to do when literally everything he owns is up for grabs. But, that's the decision he made.

[fwc577]

"The Democrats are going to take away your Hamburgers" - Donald Trump, August 22, 2024

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...t-disease.html

Despite being the biggest fast food lover to ever be elected president, a doctor tipped to play a key advisory role in the incoming administration claims that won't stop him attempting to change US diets for the better.

Dr Aseem Malhotra is a British cardiologist who has appeared on podcasts with Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson and has close ties to Robert F Kennedy Junior.

He wants to ban burgers, pizzas and other high calorie food from schools and hospitals and impose a 'fat tax' on the unhealthiest snacks, such as candy and ice cream.

I hope he does it.

FAFO

[Breccia]

He wants to ban burgers, pizzas and other high calorie food from schools

I hope he does it.

He probably can. He just needs to phrase it "hey, I found a way to make the lives of poor children worse".

[fwc577]

Just some thoughts on the Gaetz nomination.

We all joke that everyone else is playing Chess while Trump is playing Checkers but it is possible this is a move cooked up by Trump and some of the worst people around him.

Nominate Gaetz and get Senate Republicans up in arms. They're going to deny Trump the ability to do recess appointments and point to Gaetz as the reason why.

He will convince them to allow Recess Appointments on the grounds that he rescind Gaetz nomination. Gaetz then gets a smaller role in the administration elsewhere and Trump gets his recess appointments.

Or, maybe I'm giving these chucklefucks too much credit.

[Breccia]

Or, maybe I'm giving these chucklefucks too much credit.

This is my take as well. Trump is clearly just handing out nominations to whoever sucked his dick the hardest.

EDIT: In the case of my whore of a Rep, I might even mean that literally.

[Endus]

I'm calling you out for pushing the same bullshit that Trump pushed. The economy is just fine, and has been for almost the entirety of the last 15 years. The one main issue over the last 4 years, was inflation, and it is objectively higher in your country.

So, this is a lie you insist on repeating. Just because you continue to push the same lie told by others, doesn't make it less of a lie. It just makes it a popular lie.

I mean, the economy is shit, but the problem is how "shit" is measured in the first place.

Workers are struggling to make ends meet. That's why the economy "sucks". It's not just inflation, and I've said myself inflation was a global issue, not anything that could be blamed on Biden's policies. And this issue is global, too, though the USA may be the worst for it.

All the measures of economic health are things rich people care about. Stock market growth, GDP, etc. None of those matter to workers. They don't translate. And the story over the past few decades has been economic growth for the rich, and economic stagnation or decline for the workers. Economy booms, the rich get richer, and the workers don't feel any change. It's a rising tide but the workers can't afford boats, and they're chained in place, so they start to drown.

We need to forget the usual measures of economic health almost completely, and focus on things like cost-of-living indices versus real wages, housing prices vs wages, etc. If the rich aren't doing well economically, fuck 'em, they're already rich.

[fwc577]

Workers are struggling to make ends meet. That's why the economy "sucks". It's not just inflation, and I've said myself inflation was a global issue, not anything that could be blamed on Biden's policies. And this issue is global, too, though the USA may be the worst for it.

I completely disagree with this. I work full time and I have a side hustle that brings me good money. That side hustle is selling on eBay. For the record, Selling on eBay as a side hustle is something my family has done for YEARS.

When the housing market crashed and we hit the recession, my Uncle gave up his eBay side business because literally nobody was buying anymore.

If people are struggling, then 2nd hand and retail would be struggling, and it's not. Not by a long shot.

All the measures of economic health are things rich people care about. Stock market growth, GDP, etc. None of those matter to workers. They don't translate. And the story over the past few decades has been economic growth for the rich, and economic stagnation or decline for the workers. Economy booms, the rich get richer, and the workers don't feel any change. It's a rising tide but the workers can't afford boats, and they're chained in place, so they start to drown.

https://www.americanprogress.org/art...all-time-high/

Check out Figure 4. Average Wage Increases have outpaced Average Price Increases compared to Pre-Covid era.

People are MAD that they're paying more for eggs and butter, but they can still afford it because wages have gone up to compensate. It doesn't stop making them mad that their costs have gone up as well as their wages. Overall, most people were BETTER OFF under Biden, even with the inflation.

And anecdotal/personal experience, I've seen my wages go up 65% under Biden, not to mention the most amazing bonuses I've ever received in my 10 years career in the field I work in.

We need to forget the usual measures of economic health almost completely, and focus on things like cost-of-living indices versus real wages, housing prices vs wages, etc. If the rich aren't doing well economically, fuck 'em, they're already rich.

We tried this.

Because we didn't have a congressional mandate, we couldn't get any of it done. And just like other countries, voters were apathetic and voted the incumbent party out of office.

It has less to do with the message and more to do with the circumstances.

The message was there, people just chose not to listen.

[prwraith]

What freaking lie are we talking about here? Whether or not it has merit, and I am not discussing the merits of the economy, the vast bulk of voters in the United States DO despise how the economy was handled over the last 4 years.

IF they understood anything at all they wouldn't be.

If they understood what happens under Republicans they wouldn't be.

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Just some thoughts on the Gaetz nomination.

We all joke that everyone else is playing Chess while Trump is playing Checkers but it is possible this is a move cooked up by Trump and some of the worst people around him.

Nominate Gaetz and get Senate Republicans up in arms. They're going to deny Trump the ability to do recess appointments and point to Gaetz as the reason why.

He will convince them to allow Recess Appointments on the grounds that he rescind Gaetz nomination. Gaetz then gets a smaller role in the administration elsewhere and Trump gets his recess appointments.

Or, maybe I'm giving these chucklefucks too much credit.

MAYBE you're giving them too much credit? MAYBE?

[fwc577]

MAYBE you're giving them too much credit? MAYBE?

Probably. Matt Gaetz heard about recess appointments and asked for one. Probably thought it was a first date.

[Draco-Onis]

Or, maybe I'm giving these chucklefucks too much credit.

You are giving them way too much credit, you couldn't scrape together a spine if you took all the people in congress. Matt Gaetz will fly by just like most if not all his appointments. The only one that may get some resistance is RFK Jr. though I am not convinced he will actually get a cabinet position. I don't think Trump likes him and just suckered him.