Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Kaleredar]

Back to RFK and Republicans in any Department.

Mention that Republicans have found an attack on let's say Drug Companies. Republicans will villainize drug companies (take the hint Democrats) on their profiteering, our over reliance on drugs, and them skirting rules to push out drubs (Covid conspiracy). There is some truth in all of this. I would say that people who are touching grass and on the Dem side would agree with all these about drug companies.

Of course this is where conservatives will use to take down the Departments or these days they are just crazy in believing some of this crap and think they live in some conspirator world. Yes, go after drug companies for many of it's horrible things, but it's not about that Frogs are turning Gay.


RFK believes this btw.

Edit: Basically populism, but in their twisted way.

Pharmaceuticals are a huge economic powerhouse. Ditto health insurance. RFK’s brain dead takes cut into both of those industries. Meanwhile, Trump doesn’t personally care either way I’m sure.

Republicans won’t change their minds if it means the benefit of the American people, but I’m sure they will if multi-billion dollar industries start leaning on them. And I doubt these corporations would take a hit to their equity basically “lol just because”

[DarkTZeratul]

The question is whether the republicans personally care whether Gaetz is in that position or not. How does this negatively affect the Republican Party and its goals?

I mean, that's all true, but I was specifically replying to the assertion that the Senate would cut a deal to allow recess appointments in exchange for rescinding Gaetz's nomination, because the Senate has the power to simply not confirm Gaetz and then still not allow recess appointments.

[Doomcookie]

So basic that his case was tossed?

Are you going to answer the questions?

[fwc577]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2647484.html

Article Title: Vivek Ramaswamy wants to start DOGE cuts by eliminating funding for unauthorized programs - including veteran healthcare

Yikes.

[Draco-Onis]

Pharmaceuticals are a huge economic powerhouse. Ditto health insurance. RFK’s brain dead takes cut into both of those industries. Meanwhile, Trump doesn’t personally care either way I’m sure.

Republicans won’t change their minds if it means the benefit of the American people, but I’m sure they will if multi-billion dollar industries start leaning on them. And I doubt these corporations would take a hit to their equity basically “lol just because”

At the end of the day RFK is a grifter just like Trump they can buy him just like any of the people in congress. If he deregulates as much as they want they will support him.

[Paranoid Android]

Pharmaceuticals are a huge economic powerhouse. Ditto health insurance. RFK’s brain dead takes cut into both of those industries. Meanwhile, Trump doesn’t personally care either way I’m sure.

That's the problem tho. Pharmaceutical Industry is for profit, it practices late stage capitalism and it has too much power thru capitalism being too powerful.

Maybe I miss interpret but idk if we should cheer that good ole capitalism will prevail. Plus he is going to deregulate for more profit.

A strange place here if say RFK wants to kill every vaccination program and drug companies stop cause it hurts profit.

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At the end of the day RFK is a grifter just like Trump they can buy him just like any of the people in congress. If he deregulates as much as they want they will support him.

Is he? I think this guy is plain crazy.

Remember he was an environmental lawyer. He just became broken brain perhaps literally by brain worms. I don't see money or power angle from him. Trump and cronies, no doubt.

[DarkTZeratul]

Is he? I think this guy is plain crazy.

Remember he was an environmental lawyer. He just became broken brain perhaps literally by brain worms. I don't see money or power angle from him.

He's basically an "all-natural" conspiracy theorist.

[Jessicka]

That's the problem tho. Pharmaceutical Industry is for profit, it practices late stage capitalism and it has too much power thru capitalism being too powerful.

Maybe I miss interpret but idk if we should cheer that good ole capitalism will prevail. Plus he is going to deregulate for more profit.

A strange place here if say RFK wants to kill every vaccination program and drug companies stop cause it hurts profit.

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Is he? I think this guy is plain crazy.

Remember he was an environmental lawyer. He just became broken brain perhaps literally by brain worms. I don't see money or power angle from him. Trump and cronies, no doubt.

While Drug R&D is notoriously expensive so there is an “incentive” to stop, pharmaceutical companies are also multinational so banning it in the US wouldn’t stop it in the rest of the world.

I just don’t see what the end game is, because all paths point to the US falling behind in the industry and a loss of talent as it moves abroad.

[Kaleredar]

That's the problem tho. Pharmaceutical Industry is for profit, it practices late stage capitalism and it has too much power thru capitalism being too powerful.

Maybe I miss interpret but idk if we should cheer that good ole capitalism will prevail. Plus he is going to deregulate for more profit.

I’ll take all the W’s I can.

Trump and co aren’t going to do things in the interest of the American people, not willingly. If they have to be forced to at least avoid causing direct harm then that’s the best of the two possible outcomes. And if it’s a soulless corporation that causes that… then so be it.

A strange place here if say RFK wants to kill every vaccination program and drug companies stop cause it hurts profit.

If people lose faith in vaccinations and doctors because RFK starts pushing pseudoscience bullcrap then big pharma will start to lose money.

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While Drug R&D is notoriously expensive so there is an “incentive” to stop, pharmaceutical companies are also multinational so banning it in the US wouldn’t stop it in the rest of the world.

I just don’t see what the end game is, because all paths point to the US falling behind in the industry and a loss of talent as it moves abroad.

R&D is expensive but I’d have to imagine these pharmaceutical companies make a boatload from government vaccine programs as well as simple upcharge on more pedestrian drugs. Those getting banned left and right and having vaccination programs outlawed or whatever are not good for their bottom line, considering that’s what their business y’know… does.

[Fugus]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2647484.html

Article Title: Vivek Ramaswamy wants to start DOGE cuts by eliminating funding for unauthorized programs - including veteran healthcare

Yikes.

Of course these vapid cunts would want to go after my healthcare....

[Xyonai]

Of course these vapid cunts would want to go after my healthcare....

Silver Spoon inheriting dipshits want to take benifits away from people who've actually done something; a tale as old as time.

[Fugus]

Silver Spoon inheriting dipshits want to take benifits away from people who've actually done something; a tale as old as time.

Agreed. Gee, wonder if this would impact his support among the military.

I remember during his last time in office, Military Times did a poll of his support. The majority of the enlisted who only had to take orders loved him. The majority of the officers and those who actually had to know how stuff worked and put the plans together hated him.

That plan could get him hated across the board.

But at the start of Trumps first term he also canceled the contracts of people serving honorably as a condition of their citizenship just so he could deport them and their families which didn't even move the needle. But that was alright, because they weren't white. This on the other hand will hit them directly, so they can't just put it on "The Others" to blame them.

[Endus]

So basic that his case was tossed?

Why do you insist on lying? That's a serious question. You know his case wasn't thrown out. You know enough to bring it up, you know it wasn't tossed.

But you choose to gaslight the entire thread and lie about it, why? Do you seriously have that little you can actually attack that you have to make up bullshit and pretend that bullshit is true just to have something to rage against? Because that's fuckin' sad dude.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...ice-department

He was acquitted. That doesn't mean the case was thrown out, it means it was fully prosecuted and found not guilty.

And he's still a violent religious extremist. He's just not one facing a prison sentence for his abuses.

There's nothing here. You're making shit up wholesale, because you've got nothing real to actually get angry about. Just clown shoes, bud.

[Paranoid Android]

While Drug R&D is notoriously expensive so there is an “incentive” to stop, pharmaceutical companies are also multinational so banning it in the US wouldn’t stop it in the rest of the world.

I just don’t see what the end game is, because all paths point to the US falling behind in the industry and a loss of talent as it moves abroad.

This is not true at all. Sorry on phone so can't link sources.

First drug companies spend waaay more on marketing drugs than R&D. Second the government, we the taxpayers flip the bill.

Sort of back to RFK and surprisingly seeing his point. Most drug companies are pushing ads to get you to buy some symptom or whatever you don't have. This is ridiculous.

We in the US allow drug companies to price gouge us and sell shit we don't need. Even the low IQ voter gets it and is on board with these idiots.

[postman1782]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ex...ction-884e9bb3

In other news, we knew this, not only do we not have the refining capacity, but we don't have the storage capacity, thanks to Trump bankrupting or selling so many refineries his first term..

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The report will be voted on, and from the sound of it, it will be publicly released on Matt Gaetz.

[fazaim]

RFK believes this btw.

Hasn't he just suggested it's worth investigating further, based on what science there currently is? Atrazine is manufactured in Switzerland but banned in every country in Europe.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Hasn't he just suggested it's worth investigating further, based on what science there currently is? Atrazine is manufactured in Switzerland but banned in every country in Europe.

No doubt we are exposed to way too much stuff in our food, plastics, micro plastics, etc

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Why do you insist on lying? That's a serious question. You know his case wasn't thrown out. You know enough to bring it up, you know it wasn't tossed.

But you choose to gaslight the entire thread and lie about it, why? Do you seriously have that little you can actually attack that you have to make up bullshit and pretend that bullshit is true just to have something to rage against? Because that's fuckin' sad dude.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...ice-department

He was acquitted. That doesn't mean the case was thrown out, it means it was fully prosecuted and found not guilty.

And he's still a violent religious extremist. He's just not one facing a prison sentence for his abuses.

There's nothing here. You're making shit up wholesale, because you've got nothing real to actually get angry about. Just clown shoes, bud.

You're correct, I was wrong, he was acquitted.

IMO it was an egregious overreach and application of that federal law for what was clearly a minor, local matter.

[Jessicka]

This is not true at all. Sorry on phone so can't link sources.

First drug companies spend waaay more on marketing drugs than R&D. Second the government, we the taxpayers flip the bill.

Sort of back to RFK and surprisingly seeing his point. Most drug companies are pushing ads to get you to buy some symptom or whatever you don't have. This is ridiculous.

We in the US allow drug companies to price gouge us and sell shit we don't need. Even the low IQ voter gets it and is on board with these idiots.

The marketing, from what I’ve seen of it seems to be a private healthcare model issue, not something you see a lot of in Europe. You can do regulation on that kind of stuff without banning R&D.

I can assure you, the UK at least will be falling over itself to pick up whatever it can if the US stops. I imagine much of the EU will as well.

[Surfd]

The effects of tariffs are TBD - it is unclear how how high they will be (IMO they are mostly a negotiating tactic), and the true cost cannot be measured until we see what happens with energy/fuel prices.

It is very possible tariffs raise prices, but overall offset (or even net gain) by tax cuts and energy costs going down.

Remind me again how Trump's last foray into Tariff war turned out? Oh, right. His administration ended up forking over HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars in bailouts to the agriculture sector. More than the entire discretionary budget of the department of Agriculture in some years. And that was the result of only moderate tariffs on one economic sector mostly targeted at China.

If he goes through with his plan to slap tariffs on EVERYTHING, with some reaching astronomical amounts, the American economy will literally implode. Higher prices on almost everything in the country, with almost NONE of that money going into government pockets: the increased cost of goods will be absorbed by the corporations, which will be passed on to the consumer as price increases while the corporations enjoy record profits along with their massive tax cuts, effectively vacuuming money out of the economy like a scene from a loony toons episode.

If they go through with it, the national debt is going to explode and they have literally no plan to actually pay for any of that. Oh, sorry, that's wrong. The Orange Moron in charge thinks the Tariffs will pay for it...... lol.

[Rasulis]

Remind me again how Trump's last foray into Tariff war turned out? Oh, right. His administration ended up forking over HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars in bailouts to the agriculture sector. More than the entire discretionary budget of the department of Agriculture in some years. And that was the result of only moderate tariffs on one economic sector mostly targeted at China.

If he goes through with his plan to slap tariffs on EVERYTHING, with some reaching astronomical amounts, the American economy will literally implode. Higher prices on almost everything in the country, with almost NONE of that money going into government pockets: the increased cost of goods will be absorbed by the corporations, which will be passed on to the consumer as price increases while the corporations enjoy record profits along with their massive tax cuts, effectively vacuuming money out of the economy like a scene from a loony toons episode.

If they go through with it, the national debt is going to explode and they have literally no plan to actually pay for any of that. Oh, sorry, that's wrong. The Orange Moron in charge thinks the Tariffs will pay for it...... lol.

You have to be very careful with tariff. One wrong move could bring a cascading effect and bring the whole house crashing down.

Case history from Trump's first presidency. The U.S. and Canada had a 10-year trade pact that expired at the end of 2016. Due to failure to renew the agreement, the price of lumber went up from $300 per thousand board feet to $400. A month later, the Trump administration announced tariffs of 20% on Canadian lumber and up to 24% on specific lumber companies. The price went from just below $400 per thousand board feet in early 2017 to $600 by summer 2018.

Fast forward to 2020. When the pandemic takes hold, some sawmills shut down or cut production as they anticipate decreased demand. But their predictions were wrong. More Americans started to work from home and decided to undertake home renovation projects. Demand for lumber rises and prices reach $950 per thousand board feet in September 2020. It then went up again to $1,675 in 2021. Those were miserable time for the construction industry.

FYI, the Biden administration has managed to bring it down to around $517.