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    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    tbf, touch screens are an objectively worse way to input and manipulate data than a keyboard and mouse (right now, that may change)
    While for desktop PCs, this is true, without the touchscreen research we wouldn't have smartphones as we know them today. We'd probably still be using Blacckberry type devices with physical keyboards and small screens. There also wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar market for tablets, since a tablet with a physical keyboard is basically just a laptop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    tbf, touch screens are an objectively worse way to input and manipulate data than a keyboard and mouse (right now, that may change)
    "You'll never have a calculator in your pocket." all math teachers before 2005
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    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    tbf, touch screens are an objectively worse way to input and manipulate data than a keyboard and mouse (right now, that may change)
    They're good enough by now that they've been pretty revolutionary in all kinds of places thanks to their portability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    "You'll never have a calculator in your pocket." all math teachers before 2005
    I think you mean 1992. Back in 1998 I had a calculator on my watch and solar powered calculators small enough to pocket were completely the norm. The TI-80something calculator was chunky but still could fit in a deep pocket.

    The cellphones were still attached to a suitcase though and were the size of a brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    I think you mean 1992. Back in 1998 I had a calculator on my watch and solar powered calculators small enough to pocket were completely the norm. The TI-80something calculator was chunky but still could fit in a deep pocket.

    The cellphones were still attached to a suitcase though and were the size of a brick.
    I used 05 as that was when the first Iphones were sold.
    My HS years were 92-96, we were told repeatedly we'd never have a calculator just in our pocket. Graphing TI-8* series were required for trig/calc. I may still have mine. A friends watch with calculator was confiscated for existing, he wasn't even using it.

    My timeframe was off, but math teachers preached that at us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    I used 05 as that was when the first Iphones were sold.
    My HS years were 92-96, we were told repeatedly we'd never have a calculator just in our pocket. Graphing TI-8* series were required for trig/calc. I may still have mine. A friends watch with calculator was confiscated for existing, he wasn't even using it.

    My timeframe was off, but math teachers preached that at us.
    True enough, I had the graphing calculator, but outside of graphing I never actually used it. I do recall the teachers banning us from using them though. I graduated in 2000. Math was my strong suite so I never bothered using a calculator because it was just faster to do it in my head. When it came to english though, I struggled.

    Honestly hate it how easy the kids have it nowadays. I keep telling the nieces and nephews that they might have a smart phone but they need to be smart without their phone.

    Was surprised when I learned that a 60 is passing now when anything before a 70 was failing for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    "You'll never have a calculator in your pocket." all math teachers before 2005
    I made sure to say (right now) :P I fully expect this to change and to become completely viable and better, just that right now they're pretty much a kick in the balls to productivity. Which is to say, they're gonna slow you down

    outside of perhaps artistic applications

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    Putting aside the "Almost never" breaking his own rule...

    It's half your age PLUS 7.

    Bets on if it was intentional that half of 42 is 21, minus 7 is 14?

    Can we all just agree Gaetz is a pedo?
    Also, he said over the past 10 years, at which point he would have been 32.

    Half of 32, minus 7 is NINE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodtable View Post
    Trying to find a source but rumors are Trump is going to give podcasters, youtubers, social media "influencers" credentials to sit in WH press briefings. There is never a fucking bottom to this huh?
    I wouldn't be too concerned. Most of those idiots are too afraid to leave their mom's basements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    I wouldn't be too concerned. Most of those idiots are too afraid to leave their mom's basements.
    Would be fair Youtubers Podcasters, and influencers the future the corporate media is dying

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    Also, he said over the past 10 years, at which point he would have been 32.

    Half of 32, minus 7 is NINE.
    Pretty sure the tweet wasn't real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    tbf, touch screens are an objectively worse way to input and manipulate data than a keyboard and mouse (right now, that may change)
    For larger desk computers sure. For handheld devices touch screens are what practically enabled smartphones to exist, and smartphones have become one of the most ubiquitous devices in the world.
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    If you see a crazy ass message supposedly coming from someone like Obama or Biden you don't have to check if it's real. You immediately know it's fake. If you see one from Trump or one of his cohorts you may need to check because it might be real.

    That really says everything you need to know about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    For larger desk computers sure. For handheld devices touch screens are what practically enabled smartphones to exist, and smartphones have become one of the most ubiquitous devices in the world.
    That's scalability, more than anything. The many interactions required of a smartphone and the tiny screen require that the surface be actively interchangeable for interactability. The screen has to serve as mouse and keyboard in a format too small for either comfortably, let alone both. It's a convenience that does "well enough" in the smaller form factor that makes it transportable in a pocket. Which has value, yes. But it's in convenience, not ease or accuracy of use.

    And when you shift to formats where the small size factor for convenience isn't an expectation, the touchscreen experience fails to compete well against physical interactivity. It's why cars are moving away from touchscreens an back to toggles and buttons. There's an immediacy in the physical feedback to the use of the physical device that a touchscreen can't provide; you have to look at the screen to ensure it's doing what you want it to do, where a physical interaction has that direct feedback. It's why mobile games often allow you to use a physical controller rather than touchscreen controls; the controller will always be a superior experience with better accuracy and control. It's why basically no serious computing is done via touchscreen other than for display purposes. If you're writing, whether it's code or prose, you're gonna prefer to use a physical keyboard over a touchscreen digital keyboard. It's a superior way to interact, when you don't have to fit everything into a form factor that challenges that implementability.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    And when you shift to formats where the small size factor for convenience isn't an expectation, the touchscreen experience fails to compete well against physical interactivity. It's why cars are moving away from touchscreens an back to toggles and buttons. There's an immediacy in the physical feedback to the use of the physical device that a touchscreen can't provide; you have to look at the screen to ensure it's doing what you want it to do, where a physical interaction has that direct feedback. It's why mobile games often allow you to use a physical controller rather than touchscreen controls; the controller will always be a superior experience with better accuracy and control. It's why basically no serious computing is done via touchscreen other than for display purposes. If you're writing, whether it's code or prose, you're gonna prefer to use a physical keyboard over a touchscreen digital keyboard. It's a superior way to interact, when you don't have to fit everything into a form factor that challenges that implementability.
    Yep, it's all about the Haptics. Standard mouse / keyboard / buttons / switches / toggles give us that haptic feedback that we are deeply programmed to sense for. The clack when you push a button. The click when you flip a switch. The resistance when you swipe a mouse across a desk. All physical verification feedback that our actions resulted in something.

    Once someone figures out how to get that haptic feedback feeling effectively and efficiently married to touchscreen tech, I will become just as ubiquitous as everything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Pretty sure the tweet wasn't real.
    Yep fake tweet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Not, "I look forward to serving the America people." or "I am eager to pursue justice for everyone if I am confirmed as AG"

    no

    It's "This nomination is sweet revenge!"

    It's infuriating watching people whose only policy is "revenge" get elected and installed.

    I'm extra stoked that nobody is going to have FBI background checks and that the West Wing is going to be crawling with foreign agents just like Mar a lago was.

    Very demure. Very security minded. Very serious people.
    I literally hope the Democrats absolutely hold up his nomination until 2026 with stalling and filibusters. Even in a recess appointment, it is only valid for a short period of time as it ends at the start of the next legislative session, which is a period of 1 year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Pretty sure the tweet wasn't real.
    And we are ever concerned about the truth.
    Gaetz's associates however see the real problem; the tweet is believable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesilentmajority View Post
    Yep fake tweet
    Matt Gaetz is still a pedophile and even Republicans know it. Sexual assault is a requirement for Trump's cabinet, and pedophilia is a plus. "Party of family values" throwing away those family values to own the libs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    Matt Gaetz is still a pedophile and even Republicans know it. Sexual assault is a requirement for Trump's cabinet, and pedophilia is a plus. "Party of family values" throwing away those family values to own the libs.
    You know... the kind of shit we're going to learn in 20-30 years when all the tell-all books have been released and investigative reports have been unsealed...

    Yeah, history will not look kindly on the MAGA era of US politics.
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