Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Flarelaine]

What ballpark are jobs growth/loss numbers by year and/or presidential term in in the US?

How much would axing 4M jobs straight away would impact them?

[PhaelixWW]

What ballpark are jobs growth/loss numbers by year and/or presidential term in in the US?

How much would axing 4M jobs straight away would impact them?

None... if you just deport everyone, I guess.

[Breccia]

What ballpark are jobs growth/loss numbers by year and/or presidential term in in the US?

Total nonfarm in hundreds of thousands.

How much would axing 4M jobs straight away would impact them?

Bloodbath.

Not only would a 4M loss be unrecoverable by the rest of the country for most of a year, I think you'd see a large number of fellow departures as people rightly lose their faith in their job security and seek greener pastures.

[Flarelaine]

Total nonfarm in hundreds of thousands.

Thank you.

Bloodbath.

Not only would a 4M loss be unrecoverable by the rest of the country for most of a year, I think you'd see a large number of fellow departures as people rightly lose their faith in their job security and seek greener pastures.

Which, once again, is the point.

[Templar 331]

I'd say he looks more like he isn't happy about a photo being taken. I'm sure he could decline the food, not like doing so would change anything.

You haven't had the "pleasure" of dealing with a man like Trump in person have you? Be glad if you haven't. :/ He doesn't offer you something in a genteel manner out of being a respectable host. He tells you what he wants you to have. It's a power move. Even though everyone in the Republican party knows he's a limp little bitch they have to play along with his shit to get what they want. I'm guessing RFK jr has some kind of gastro condition that stops him from eating what Trump gave him. And he knows if he doesn't eat it Trump will be upset and cause a scene. Which will hurt RFK's position. And I'm also willing to bet Trump knows this condition and had him eat it anyway.

[Endus]

You haven't had the "pleasure" of dealing with a man like Trump in person have you? Be glad if you haven't. :/ He doesn't offer you something in a genteel manner out of being a respectable host. He tells you what he wants you to have. It's a power move. Even though everyone in the Republican party knows he's a limp little bitch they have to play along with his shit to get what they want. I'm guessing RFK jr has some kind of gastro condition that stops him from eating what Trump gave him. And he knows if he doesn't eat it Trump will be upset and cause a scene. Which will hurt RFK's position. And I'm also willing to bet Trump knows this condition and had him eat it anyway.

There's also that Trump specifically fetishizes McDonalds' food specifically in supremely weird ways.

[Breccia]

There's also that Trump specifically fetishizes McDonalds' food specifically in supremely weird ways.

It's actually not that strange.

McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in America. Trump prizes brand recognition and fame more than, for example, food that tastes good. Don't forget, the man is a sociopathic narcissist.

[Ivanstone]

It's actually not that strange.

McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in America. Trump prizes brand recognition and fame more than, for example, food that tastes good. Don't forget, the man is a sociopathic narcissist.

DonOld is also a germphobe and he believes that corporate fast food joints are more sanitary.

[Fugus]

DonOld is also a germphobe and he believes that corporate fast food joints are more sanitary.

A Germophobe that cheats on his first wife with his second, his second with this third, his third with a porn star and brags about how dodging STDs in sex parties was his own private Vietnam.

Trump isn't a germophobe. He is an entitled prick who doesn't like dealing with people he sees as "Beneath him" and claiming that allows him to avoid doing so without being seen in a bad light for doing so.

[Nymrohd]

The thing that seems scariest to me is what happens if Trump really dismantles multiple agencies during his term? How exactly can the Democrats set those back up if they even win in 2028 after institutional knowledge is lost and many skilled public employees find better employment in the private sector?

[fwc577]

The thing that seems scariest to me is what happens if Trump really dismantles multiple agencies during his term? How exactly can the Democrats set those back up if they even win in 2028 after institutional knowledge is lost and many skilled public employees find better employment in the private sector?

We can't and in some cases, new agencies will need to be created in order to combat issues that arise.

[Ivanstone]

The thing that seems scariest to me is what happens if Trump really dismantles multiple agencies during his term? How exactly can the Democrats set those back up if they even win in 2028 after institutional knowledge is lost and many skilled public employees find better employment in the private sector?

With SCOTUS control and numerous state AG's willing to undermine any new departments that spring up, I imagine anything new would be very difficult.

[Skjaldborg]

Federal jobs often grant benefits that make them competitive or better than private sector jobs, so I'm sure if a new administration were desperate they could tweak just a few knobs up to sweeten the deal enough. Plus if you're in the federal service for 3+ years it's much easier to get rehired or transferred into those positions.

A lot of my coworkers are in the federal service for a love of the game, not the pay. We all could've been making oodles more cash by going into private industry versions of our jobs. I'm not ready to be a doomer on that front quite yet and hope I can give even a little encouragement.

[Rasulis]

Musk And Ramaswamy Seek Spending Cut Wins Where Others Failed
According to a report, the duo’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) aims to reduce spending by a whopping $2 trillion.

Two trillion is pretty unrealistic. Majority of Federal fundings are related to SS, VA, Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, ACA, Federal and Military retirees. This is pretty much fixed. No politicians are stupid enough to touch those. The discretionary spendings which include the military, border security, transportation, science & medical research, air controllers, education, etc. have a combined total of $1.7 trillion. They can cut those services in their entirety, and they still don't come up with $ 2 trillion.

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Federal jobs often grant benefits that make them competitive or better than private sector jobs, so I'm sure if a new administration were desperate they could tweak just a few knobs up to sweeten the deal enough. Plus if you're in the federal service for 3+ years it's much easier to get rehired or transferred into those positions.

A lot of my coworkers are in the federal service for a love of the game, not the pay. We all could've been making oodles more cash by going into private industry versions of our jobs. I'm not ready to be a doomer on that front quite yet and hope I can give even a little encouragement.

The trick is to get your government retirement fully vested, then switched to the private sector to pad your IRA and 401k. Half of the engineers and geologists in my firm used to work for County and City, and NAVFAC. Depending on when you start, you can get fully vested by mid to late 40s.

[Bodakane]

Well, that whole thing about making everyone healthy didn't last long, did it?




Please, someone try to explain this one away for me.

Its a shame there was no catastrophic engine failure.

[Blur4stuff]

They can't cut anywhere near that much without having congress gut defense, social security, and medicare. This reminds me of people who think all we have to do is eliminate foreign aid and somehow we wouldn't have debt anymore.

[Jessicka]

They can't cut anywhere near that much without having congress gut defense, social security, and medicare. This reminds me of people who think all we have to do is eliminate foreign aid and somehow we wouldn't have debt anymore.

That people think a country needs to pay off its debts is a stupid myth as well, as long as it can be serviced it can be essentially repaid and refinanced over eternity since it doesn’t have to worry about death or retirement.

And as long as that debt is spent on investment, that investment should pay to service it.

[Rasulis]

Who are you going to cut?

[Mafic]

I can see big cuts happening but those cuts will be off set by big spending. It will probably take another 20-30 years before you see politicians try to reign in spending at the government level in the USA.

The problem with the debt isn't the debt itself if inflation over time devalues it. The problem is the interest that is accelerating and no amount of money printing can solve that problem.

[DarkTZeratul]

I can see big cuts happening but those cuts will be off set by big spending.

Also, by big tax cuts.