Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Somewhatconcerned]

Also, by big tax cuts.

This is where DOGE comes into play.

[Doomcookie]

US has wasteful spending too but on a larger scale than Greece. In fact what does the USA produce? That is why any proposed tariff would be rough for the USA because you have to be able produce and not rely on imports. Goldman Sachs and the other crooks are big reason why valuable metals are suppressed along with a housing crisis in the USA. They are international disaster capitalists so tell me something I do not know...

Japan using super low interest rates has not solved their issues as it has worsened the last three decades and then you turn around tell me that I am wrong. Listen you probably don't remember when Japan actually was booming economically so save me the spiel.... The only way out for Japan is to change their demographic picture with growth and having families/kids again. Same problem Greece and USa have really if we are to be honest.

Yes the Fed is monetizing US debt and yes it is bad long term. That isn't a buzz word as that as simple as I can explain it really.

The money supply has been going down in the US for some time and meanwhile the Fed is monetizing the US debt is BAD. If you can not comprehend why then you do not have an understanding of past historical situations when the money supply drops because that often leads to recessions or depressions.



Defense spending often is a cost that does not yield a return the exception being when the US built the US highway system under Eisenhower. This allowed entire cities and business to thrive on these new roadways and that is why most businesses are located near the US highways even today. US needed a way to transport military equipment, personnel, and goods from coast to coast. But the biggest beneficiaries of the US highway system has been civilians.

You support Trump, and you support the tariffs. You also support the guy who had the biggest budgets and deficits this country has ever seen.

Your own stance does not compute.

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This is where DOGE comes into play.

You mean meming fascism?

[Paetolus]

This is where DOGE comes into play.

Lol, I think DOGE is already a bad idea by virtue of being run by people that are inherently financially biased in where spending should go. But regardless, they can only recommend where spending should be cut, they have no actual authority. I think Trump's administration is gonna ignore the hell out of them and it'll just be an ironic example of more actual wasted spending.

[Doomcookie]

Lol, I think DOGE is already a bad idea by virtue of being run by people that are inherently financially biased in where spending should go. But regardless, they can only recommend where spending should be cut, they have no actual authority. I think Trump's administration is gonna ignore the hell out of them and it'll just be an ironic example of more actual wasted spending.

Musk and Trump don't pay their bills.

Think on that one for a while.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Lol, I think DOGE is already a bad idea by virtue of being run by people that are inherently financially biased in where spending should go. But regardless, they can only recommend where spending should be cut, they have no actual authority. I think Trump's administration is gonna ignore the hell out of them and it'll just be an ironic example of more actual wasted spending.

There will always be bias, they're simply going to point out where all the spending is. Pulling back the curtain on the machine. Even if there are minimal cuts, I think exposing all the waste will be useful.

[Doomcookie]

There will always be bias, they're simply going to point out where all the spending is. Pulling back the curtain on the machine. Even if there are minimal cuts, I think exposing all the waste will be useful.

You support the waste.

[Bwgmon]

You support the waste.

something something trees vote for axe, handle made of wood...

[Twdft]

One thing that surprised me about DOGE is... you didn't have such an agency in your systems of checks and balances already? Germany has had this for over 300 years, currently called "Bundesrechnungshof".

[Poopymonster]

There will always be bias, they're simply going to point out where all the spending is. Pulling back the curtain on the machine. Even if there are minimal cuts, I think exposing all the waste will be useful.

If there were people who knew the finer points of the machine maybe. "X is doing Y" without seeing WHY they are doing Y (Shrimp and bandages mentioned earlier) you'll get fucking idiots cutting random shit like your QA and PR departments of the social media company you just overpaid for.

[Endus]

The only way out for Japan is to change their demographic picture with growth and having families/kids again. Same problem Greece and USa have really if we are to be honest.

If your concept of a "healthy economy" requires growth as a fundamental tenet, your position is unstable and unsustainable and will inevitably fail at some future point. Resources, including space, are not without limits, and unchecked growth merely eats away at those resources until it hits a wall, and then it collapses in on itself.

If you put bacteria in a test tube filled with nutrients and everything the bacteria need to thrive, they will grow in number. Let's say they double every day. When they're consuming half the resources in the bottle, they're two days from annihilation. To the unthinking bacteria, everything's great; there's too much food for everyone to even eat if they eat their fill. And tomorrow? Well, it's tight, but everyone's fed. And the day after? The food's gone, and the only remaining resource is each other. And the population dies by the third day.

Infinite growth can't function. If your ideological views on economy require growth, forever, they're poorly-informed and have a time limit beyond which they'll cease to function.

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There will always be bias, they're simply going to point out where all the spending is. Pulling back the curtain on the machine. Even if there are minimal cuts, I think exposing all the waste will be useful.

The people concerned about "government waste" couldn't identify "waste" better than 25% of the time if they were given a multiple choice question with only 4 answers. I'd venture they'd probably do significantly worse than getting it right 25% of the time.

If you're criticising $10,000 toilets and studies on misinformation distribution, you don't have a sweet damned clue what "waste" is.

[Draco-Onis]

US has wasteful spending too but on a larger scale than Greece. In fact what does the USA produce? That is why any proposed tariff would be rough for the USA because you have to be able produce and not rely on imports. Goldman Sachs and the other crooks are big reason why valuable metals are suppressed along with a housing crisis in the USA. They are international disaster capitalists so tell me something I do not know...

US manufactures high end good and provides services, tariffs affects export economies more than imports since they do not have enough domestic consumption to absorb the goods they produce. The housing crisis in the USA is due to problems with regulations, interest rates among other factors.

Japan using super low interest rates has not solved their issues as it has worsened the last three decades and then you turn around tell me that I am wrong. Listen you probably don't remember when Japan actually was booming economically so save me the spiel.... The only way out for Japan is to change their demographic picture with growth and having families/kids again. Same problem Greece and USa have really if we are to be honest.

somewhat correct but the US makes up for its demographic issues due to imimigration.

Yes the Fed is monetizing US debt and yes it is bad long term. That isn't a buzz word as that as simple as I can explain it really.

The money supply has been going down in the US for some time and meanwhile the Fed is monetizing the US debt is BAD. If you can not comprehend why then you do not have an understanding of past historical situations when the money supply drops because that often leads to recessions or depressions.

Your understanding of economics is from monetary policy from the 1930s not 2024, you also ignore the biggest problem in the USA which is revenues due to bad taxation policies. If the USA revised the tax code to prevent things like negative tax rates and properly tax corporations and the rich the debt will be zeroed in 10 years or less. We give more in tax cuts and subsidies than the entire budget of the US government per year, that's an easier solution if getting rid of the debt is your main concern.

[Bodakane]

Jesus Fucking Christ
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-tr...213108190.html

Donald Trump nominates Dr. Mehmet Oz as Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Administrator

[Draco-Onis]

Jesus Fucking Christ
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-tr...213108190.html

Donald Trump nominates Dr. Mehmet Oz as Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Administrator

I don't know why anyone is surprised or shocked anymore, he could nominate Mike Tyson as head of the CIA and I wouldn't bat an eye. When you put a clown in charge expect the circus especially now that all the "adults in the room" are gone.

[Edge-]

Jesus Fucking Christ
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-tr...213108190.html

Donald Trump nominates Dr. Mehmet Oz as Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Administrator

It's gonna be a few months of this kinda thing.

However will Mehmet Oz find the time to go shopping for ingredients for his wife's crudite, now? I'm a bit surprised Donald with with Mehmet and not Phil McGraw, though I imagine he's keeping a senior position open for him as well.

And if he does get a nomination for a position I'll demand that the creator of Bumb Fights also be given an administration job.

[diller]

I can't fathom why people think running a country like a business is a good thing.

A country is nothing like a business, it couldn't be any further from being a business.

[Captain N]

I can't fathom why people think running a country like a business is a good thing, a country in nothing like a business, it couldn't be any further from a business.

You're asking that of a nation who thinks that the national debt is the same thing as their credit card debt.

[Edge-]

I can't fathom why people think running a country like a business is a good thing, a country in nothing like a business, it couldn't be any further from a business.

People don't understand the difference. They think a national budget is the same thing as a kitchen-table budget and that the same principles apply to both.

Also decades of pushing reverence for corporations and Republicans pushing propaganda that the government is bad and not to be trusted (a bit prophetic, in a way) has brain rotted a lot of folks. Hell, just see the major backlash to Obama's "You didn't build that." in pointing out how much US taxpayer money funded things like roads used by corporations or the subsidies and tax breaks they get and the Republican meltdown over it.

[Doomcookie]

The biggest problem with the people who swear they are going to cut the budget, is that they don't pay their fucking bills.

[postman1782]

This is where DOGE comes into play.

When they do nothing? Because there is a department already doing their job? And they won't get a bill passed to even make their department, because they need funding to even doing anything.

[Edge-]

When they do nothing? Because there is a department already doing their job? And they won't get a bill passed to even make their department, because they need funding to even doing anything.

As long as Congress doesn't technically need to fund the department - which based on Leon's "We only want high IQ workers that will work for free!" stupid shit and the fact that he and Vivek are already rich as fuck makes me think that's what they're going to try - I think they could get DOGE up and start giving it some authorities with simple majorities?