Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[arandomuser]

I think you are setting the bar way too high expect democrats to lay down and roll over like good little dogs trying to work with Trump and be "bipartisan". The current leadership (Jeffreys, Schummer) would require a miracle to grow a spine to form a resistance. Something like 50ish democrats already voted with republicans on a bill that allow Trump to remove non profit status from any organization. The only time they show resistance is when progressives are involved since they threaten their corporate masters.

already you have dems totally capitulating on policy.. talking about how " americans dont want a hand out they want a hand up" the same kind of pivoting obama dems did after 2010 and still got wrecked, they lost because they emenate weakness and dont actually fight..all of trumps ads were negative not a single positive ad, whereas dems were all positive, its obvious negative ads work better and they chose that path. obama won 2 generals and all of the obama people think they are geniuses but obama in retrospect was lucky the dem party lost 2/3 of house seats, governor mansions and state legs under obama, biden did better in midterms than him.. then obama world makes him resign and obama loses AGAIN

[Draco-Onis]

already you have dems totally capitulating on policy.. talking about how " americans dont want a hand out they want a hand up" the same kind of pivoting obama dems did after 2010 and still got wrecked, they lost because they emenate weakness and dont actually fight..all of trumps ads were negative not a single positive ad, whereas dems were all positive, its obvious negative ads work better and they chose that path. obama won 2 generals and all of the obama people think they are geniuses but obama in retrospect was lucky the dem party lost 2/3 of house seats, governor mansions and state legs under obama, biden did better in midterms than him.. then obama world makes him resign and obama loses AGAIN

The establishment seems to be rather dead set on the lesson that they learned from losing to Trump is that they need to be more like Trump giving up on LGBTQ, people of color and immigrants. Democrats seem to be dead set on losing for generations to come because if the choice is between republican and republican lite people will always choose the real thing.

I do wonder though if such a big political void will be filled by another party which is difficult considering how brutal they are when it comes to crushing progressive movements.

[Breccia]

Gaetz must have already seen that he wasn't going to get the votes to be confirmed. This was an extreme litmus test by Trump, but it's an early sign the GOP Congress isn't going to just be a rubber stamp for everything. The way out-there wacky ideas will still get some pushback.

Earlier, I said that the few remaining non-cultist GOP members had completely surrendered and would do whatever Trump said without anything beyond a little hesitation.

Your explanation fits the events, so, I'm not complaining that I was wrong.

[Kaleredar]

The establishment seems to be rather dead set on the lesson that they learned from losing to Trump is that they need to be more like Trump giving up on LGBTQ, people of color and immigrants. Democrats seem to be dead set on losing for generations to come because if the choice is between republican and republican lite people will always choose the real thing.

I do wonder though if such a big political void will be filled by another party which is difficult considering how brutal they are when it comes to crushing progressive movements.

…when exactly did Harris and/or Biden say they were turning their backs on gay marriage, trans rights, and LGBtQ+ rights in general?

[PhaelixWW]

Seeing some reports Gaetz may get his seat back because he was re-elected to the 119th Congress, and he had resigned from the 118th. So he'd be back in come January. Anyone know if there's any truth that?

CNN: Matt Gaetz says he’s not returning to Congress next year

“I’m going to be fighting for President Trump. I’m going to be doing whatever he asks of me, as I always have. But I think that eight years is probably enough time in the United States Congress.”

[tehdang]

Trump picks Pam Bondi for AG after Matt Gaetz withdraws

Quid pro quo to quid pro quo

Trump donated $25k and she ruled in favor of Trump University, dismissing the case. Now Trump is returning the favor I guess. I sort of wish it was Eileen Cannon at this point. why not.

As a prosecutor, she never “ruled in favor” or “dismissed the case.” That’s the territory of judges, like Aileen Cannon.

[Edge-]

As a prosecutor, she never “ruled in favor” or “dismissed the case.” That’s the territory of judges, like Aileen Cannon.

While his framing is incorrect as those are acts of the judiciary, he's correct in pointing out the ethical issues around her and Donald - https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/polit...ion/index.html

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi is denying that a $25,000 donation from Donald Trump is in any way connected to her office’s decision not to pursue action against Trump University, despite dozens of complaints in Florida, her spokesman said.

Bondi, who endorsed Trump in March, received the donation in 2013 via a political action committee raising money for her re-election.

Because as AG she decided not to pursue action against the transparently fraudulent Trump University following a $25K donation from Donald. Granted this is ancient news from 2016, but Paranoid Android is correct in pointing out just how ethically questionable their relationship continues to be.

[En Sabah Nur]

Cannot imagine selling myself out for just $25k in favor of a billionaire.

Suppose it has paid off in other ways since, but still...

[Draco-Onis]

…when exactly did Harris and/or Biden say they were turning their backs on gay marriage, trans rights, and LGBtQ+ rights in general?

I wasn't talking about Harris and/or Biden, let's face it they are pretty much irrelevant at this point. I am talking about the current power struggle within the democratic party and the arguments that are emerging. Since the progressive side has been ravaged I don't see how they are going to win a fight with the opposition.

[diller]

Matt Gaetz says he won't rejoin congress next year

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/for...ss-2024-11-22/

[tehdang]

While his framing is incorrect as those are acts of the judiciary, he's correct in pointing out the ethical issues around her and Donald - https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/polit...ion/index.html



Because as AG she decided not to pursue action against the transparently fraudulent Trump University following a $25K donation from Donald. Granted this is ancient news from 2016, but Paranoid Android is correct in pointing out just how ethically questionable their relationship continues to be.

Real allegations based on true facts is always preferable to fallacious allegations.

I agree that sometimes picking targets that are “ethically questionable” gives a manner of saying the person is “correct” in pointing out they are “ethically questionable,” despite the lies. Trump has now done this, successfully, in two different campaigns around eight years apart.

[Edge-]

Real allegations based on true facts is always preferable to fallacious allegations.

I agree that sometimes picking targets that are “ethically questionable” gives a manner of saying the person is “correct” in pointing out they are “ethically questionable,” despite the lies. Trump has now done this, successfully, in two different campaigns around eight years apart.

He got a few of the terms mixed up, but the sentiment seemed clear enough to me. You're never one to miss an opportunity to be pedantic over terminology rather than actually engage with the substance of the subject matter, though.

[Bwgmon]

Matt Gaetz says he won't rejoin congress next year

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/for...ss-2024-11-22/

Has some real "I gotta get out of here before consequences happen" energy.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Real allegations based on true facts is always preferable to fallacious allegations.

I agree that sometimes picking targets that are “ethically questionable” gives a manner of saying the person is “correct” in pointing out they are “ethically questionable,” despite the lies. Trump has now done this, successfully, in two different campaigns around eight years apart.

Getting real "can't argue on principle, so argue on semantics" vibes from this post. Going for the "most disingenuous poster" award for the umpteenth year in a row, eh?

[DarkTZeratul]

Earlier, I said that the few remaining non-cultist GOP members had completely surrendered and would do whatever Trump said without anything beyond a little hesitation.

Your explanation fits the events, so, I'm not complaining that I was wrong.

It's probably also worth noting that CNN reached out to his office because they were reporting on another teenager he had sex with, and he dropped out six minutes before the report went public.
https://x.com/nick_field90/status/1859650919320912006

[btlcryct]

CNN: Matt Gaetz says he’s not returning to Congress next year

Yep, just saw that and was coming to comment to say we have an answer. It looks like he would've been able to, since we was re-elected to the 119th Congress, but chose not to. I'm sure because then the report comes back into play.

[ringpriest]

Cannot imagine selling myself out for just $25k in favor of a billionaire.

Suppose it has paid off in other ways since, but still...

Perhaps it's best to understand the $25k as "earnest money", a promise of future favors. Sort-of the corrupt political equivalent of buying someone a cup of coffee to see if they're interested in going all the way with you.

[Kaleredar]

I wasn't talking about Harris and/or Biden, let's face it they are pretty much irrelevant at this point. I am talking about the current power struggle within the democratic party and the arguments that are emerging. Since the progressive side has been ravaged I don't see how they are going to win a fight with the opposition.

Okay.

When have the establishment dems in general turned their backs on the aforementioned LGBTQ+ rights?

[Jessicka]

Okay.

When have the establishment dems in general turned their backs on the aforementioned LGBTQ+ rights?

They stopped talking about them during the campaign. Wouldn’t be drawn on them.

[Draco-Onis]

Okay.

When have the establishment dems in general turned their backs on the aforementioned LGBTQ+ rights?

We aren't talking about the past but the future of the democratic party, they had no problem turning their backs on immigrants this election cycle. The establishment camp thinks the lesson to be learned is to be more like Trump and shed the image of being "woke" and absorb that part of the right to distance themselves from LGBTQ+ rights.