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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post

    The Fentanyl angle is BS. Fentanyl flow into the US has decreased substantially. Ask the addicts out there. Getting high on Fentanyl is actually difficult now.

    The pipeline of deadly fentanyl into the U.S. may be drying up, experts say

    What’s Behind the Remarkable Drop in U.S. Overdose Deaths
    That explains why I see less people in the bent over fentanyl stance in the city nowadays. That's great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    Biden did a lot of good things for the US. Including the economy. Unfortunately, all of his achievements were overshadowed by inflation and immigration.
    I think people vastly overestimate how much immigration impacts their life, but they were successfully convinced it's ruining their life all the same. Inflation was worldwide as well, the US handled it pretty well all things considered. But yeah, hard to explain that to the average right-leaning voter, and even then, they'll just say "Trump would've done better."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aphelios View Post
    It’s quite clear none of you read the art of the deal.
    So...your posting history is questionable at best so I'm assuming this is just a troll.

    But let's just assume you are legit MAGA and this was a pro-Trump post.

    Can we PLEASE not go back to "Trump is just playing 49823D chess hur-dur you all are too dumb to see his real genius".

    Cause it's obvious Trump is a populist reactionary who just does whatever knee jerk thing will get him the most praise. There is no grand strategy, there is no long term plan. There will just be chaos and reactionary politics for the next 4 years.
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    Also, one day the tables might turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paetolus View Post
    I think people vastly overestimate how much immigration impacts their life but they were successfully convinced it's ruining their life all the same.
    I think they're actually on the money in terms of how much immigration impacts their life in terms of the overall "importance/impact", but just completely, totally, 100% wrong in why they think that. They think the immigrants are taking their jobs, driving down wages, bringing crime etc. yet none of those things are happening - However those immigrants are doing a lot of jobs Americans simply won't do, even for higher wages if they were offered, while forming the backbone of many industries, documented and undocumented.

    If Donald actually tries to go ahead with these mass-deportations people will see just how much their lives are impacted and I'm willing to bet that, rather than being excited, they'll be pretty unhappy with the increased prices, worse service, and interruptions in normal supply chains/business. Gonna be hard wrapping up the construction projects when a fair number of the folks doing the actual building don't show up for work anymore, which I'm sure will also help with the lack of housing etc. we're still facing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Paetolus View Post
    Inflation was worldwide as well, the US handled it pretty well all things considered. But yeah, hard to explain that to the average right-leaning voter, and even then, they'll just say "Trump would've done better."
    The average voter hasn't the foggiest clue that the US weathered inflation and economic headwinds better than most of our counterparts. They just saw inflation and bills going up and that must mean it's Joe's fault - these are not exactly folks thinking in 4K UHD, they're struggling with 480i on a good day when it comes to politics.

    "Gas and eggs were cheaper 8 years ago? Sure that may be just how normal linear time and economies work, but I want the guy in charge 8 years ago because surely he'll bring prices back down even if that's literally not a tool in his offices toolkit!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I think they're actually on the money in terms of how much immigration impacts their life in terms of the overall "importance/impact", but just completely, totally, 100% wrong in why they think that. They think the immigrants are taking their jobs, driving down wages, bringing crime etc. yet none of those things are happening - However those immigrants are doing a lot of jobs Americans simply won't do, even for higher wages if they were offered, while forming the backbone of many industries, documented and undocumented.

    If Donald actually tries to go ahead with these mass-deportations people will see just how much their lives are impacted and I'm willing to bet that, rather than being excited, they'll be pretty unhappy with the increased prices, worse service, and interruptions in normal supply chains/business. Gonna be hard wrapping up the construction projects when a fair number of the folks doing the actual building don't show up for work anymore, which I'm sure will also help with the lack of housing etc. we're still facing!



    The average voter hasn't the foggiest clue that the US weathered inflation and economic headwinds better than most of our counterparts. They just saw inflation and bills going up and that must mean it's Joe's fault - these are not exactly folks thinking in 4K UHD, they're struggling with 480i on a good day when it comes to politics.

    "Gas and eggs were cheaper 8 years ago? Sure that may be just how normal linear time and economies work, but I want the guy in charge 8 years ago because surely he'll bring prices back down even if that's literally not a tool in his offices toolkit!"
    Covid gave businesses a taste for racing to the bottom on service because they saw how much people will tolerate. Same with greedflation opportunities.

    Another opportunity to make it worse and charge more for it will have business salivating.

    And everyone just has to put up with it, because there’s no free market anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Hell I can just sit here musing all I want, let's get some of his supporters in here. @tehdang
    Not a supporter, didn’t vote for him. Not that it matters to most of the bad faith posters in this forum, but I repeat it all the same in case some of them have the capacity to reform their character. I hear self-identification is sometimes important to them.

    But I am a Republican so I can answer as such.

    [quotw]Why do you believe Trump is endeavoring upon this thing that has markets across the country in a panic and that every economist is saying is a terrible idea for the US economy? Or is this one of those "oh that was just a fake campaign promise from Trump" that you get to pick and choose? Or are we to believe that the businessman that bankrupted six companies "really knows better than all those egghead economists?"

    Hell I'll put it more simply, where does this fit into what your idealized notion of "he'll get rid of the illegals and illegals are bad because they're illegal, and that's good and then americans will work again because they'll know what work means and men will be men and only marry women who will always have babies and people will go to church again and we'll all be living in white picket fence houses on Mayberry street?"[/QUOTE]Removing the partisan framing, I’ll answer on tariffs. I think Trump really thinks he can engineer some beneficial economic change through the threat or actual implementation of tariffs. Trump is wrong. I don’t know if his advisors or Republicans in Congress can persuade him against it or stop him legislatively. Rand Paul has a bill to pull back some Congressional involvement in tariff policy, if Republicans can get behind it, and Democrats find it in their hearts as well.

    I don’t connect tariff policy to immigration or culture war issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    I think Trump really thinks he can engineer some beneficial economic change through the threat or actual implementation of tariffs. Trump is wrong. I don’t know if his advisors or Republicans in Congress can persuade him against it or stop him legislatively.
    At this point, I think he just doesn't want to admit to being wrong. Tariffs worked for us a century ago, but with the way the world works now, it's stupid to use them. He should have realized that his last term as well when we saw how ineffective and/or damaging they were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paetolus View Post
    At this point, I think he just doesn't want to admit to being wrong. Tariffs worked for us a century ago, but with the way the world works now, it's stupid to use them. He should have realized that his last term as well when we saw how ineffective and/or damaging they were.
    He and his mates are disaster capitalists, the damage is the point. You need to stop thinking they have your best interests at heart, they don't even think of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    He and his mates are disaster capitalists, the damage is the point. You need to stop thinking they have your best interests at heart, they don't even think of you.
    I agree, but I don’t think that every single GOP congressman and their chosen wealthy backers are in on it, and stand to personally lose a lot of money with these proposed tariffs.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I agree, but I don’t think that every single GOP congressman and their chosen wealthy backers are in on it, and stand to personally lose a lot of money with these proposed tariffs.
    Not only tariffs. Interesting reading on Trump and his supporters stand on H-1B visa and what they did his 1st term.

    H-1B hopefuls say they’re bracing for the impact of a second Trump term
    South Asian immigrants hoping to get high skill visas are worried that a second Trump term might kill their shot.


    How many H-1B visa approvals at Tesla in 2024? Over 2,000.

    H1B LCA Approvals for Tesla INC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    He and his mates are disaster capitalists, the damage is the point. You need to stop thinking they have your best interests at heart, they don't even think of you.
    I agree, but there are lots of rich people who will also suffer heavily from tariffs, not just us poor folk. It's extraordinarily stupid to me that anyone thinks it's a remotely good idea.

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    https://www.chron.com/news/article/t...r-19941180.php

    Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller says we should drink raw milk—or at least have it available in the dairy aisles of our grocery stores.

    "Raw milk isn't for everyone, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be available," Miller wrote in a Nov. 19 editorial. "The federal government should educate and inform about potential risks but leave it to the people to decide what is best for them and their families."

    Raw milk is a form of dairy product that hasn't been pasteurized—the bacteria-killing process in which milk is heated to a specific temperature for a set amount of time. Texans can buy raw milk at dairy farms, farmer's markets, and online. According to a 2022 Food and Drug Administration report, about 1 percent of Americans, around 3.3 million people, reported consuming it weekly.

    "The one place you won't find raw milk is at the grocery store dairy aisle," Miller continued.

    There may be a reason for that. The Food and Drug Administration, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, U.S. Dept. of Agriculture, American Medical Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, American Public Health Association, National Environmental Health Association and National Public Health Information Coalition all advise against drinking raw milk.

    Before milk standards were adopted in 1924, about 25 percent of foodborne illnesses in the U.S. were related to dairy consumption, according to the Center for Dairy Research. Now, dairy products account for about 1 percent of such illnesses, the report said.

    Miller did acknowledge that raw milk may carry bacteria like E. Coli, salmonella and listeria, which can cause severe illness or even death.

    "These aren't just names, they're killers," Miller wrote.

    Miller described his childhood in Stephenville, TX, the dairy capital of the state.

    "My brother milked the family cow in the morning, and I took care of it in the evening. Afterward, we’d strain out the flies and manure with a cup towel and drink it fresh. That was just life on the farm."

    He mentioned the benefits of raw milk, which he noted "has seen a resurgence in popularity among those seeking pure sources of nutrition." Despite recent increases in bird flu in dairy cows, raw milk has become a rallying cry for some American conservatives.

    Robert F. Kennedy, President-elect Trump's choice to head up the Department of Health and Human Services, says he only drinks raw milk, and said the FDA's "suppression" of it will end.

    "There’s nothing more American than the freedom to choose what kind of food you eat," Miller wrote in his op-ed.
    I'm incredibly optimistic that Republicans are going to spend much of the next four years consistently sick from all the things we pasteurize milk to remove because drinking raw milk is now a thing conservatives are pushing as a way to "own the libs".

    Why am I posting that here? Because incoming HHS Secretary nominee RFK Jr. really likes raw milk and thinks more Americans should drink it.

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...ism-milk-covid

    Fact: Microbes in raw milk can make people sick
    In an Oct. 25 post on X, Kennedy accused the FDA of “aggressive suppression” of a laundry list of substances, one of which was raw milk.

    Raw milk hasn’t been pasteurized, a process that heat-treats food products to kill harmful microbes (SN: 11/18/22). Proponents list a variety of reasons to drink raw milk, including the claim that some bacteria in raw milk could be beneficial for gut health. But those bacteria come from cows or the farm environment, and only microbes that come from people can be an asset to our health.

    Pasteurization to kill the bad stuff is key for food safety, according to both the FDA and CDC. People who drink raw milk could be exposed to foodborne bacteria such as E. coli, Salmonella and Listeria, all of which can cause severe illness.

    What’s more, genetic traces of bird flu have shown up in milk amid an outbreak in U.S. dairy cows (SN: 4/25/24). While pasteurization kills the virus, it could stick around in raw milk and pose an infection risk. Mice that consume virus-spiked milk can get infected with bird flu, for example, suggesting humans might be at risk, too.
    Not that anyone here needs it, but a good reminder about why we started pasteurizing things and generally why it's a good idea that there are few to no real downsides over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paetolus View Post
    At this point, I think he just doesn't want to admit to being wrong. Tariffs worked for us a century ago, but with the way the world works now, it's stupid to use them. He should have realized that his last term as well when we saw how ineffective and/or damaging they were.
    Tariffs worked a century ago? What? They FUELED the Great Depression.


    I am so happy that I never migrated to the US and stayed in Europe back then. Those tariffs will be a shit show. I will feast on the outcry of those idiots, and I really need to stock up on popcorn.
    Only bad thing that all the sane voters will be hit as well, you have my empathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.chron.com/news/article/t...r-19941180.php



    I'm incredibly optimistic that Republicans are going to spend much of the next four years consistently sick from all the things we pasteurize milk to remove because drinking raw milk is now a thing conservatives are pushing as a way to "own the libs".

    Why am I posting that here? Because incoming HHS Secretary nominee RFK Jr. really likes raw milk and thinks more Americans should drink it.

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...ism-milk-covid



    Not that anyone here needs it, but a good reminder about why we started pasteurizing things and generally why it's a good idea that there are few to no real downsides over.
    speaking of which

    Bird flu detected in raw milk sold in California, health officials say

    The fear for the future is that the bird flu and other pathogens will get passed through raw milk then mutate within humans with the regular flu leading to another pandemic. If you take that and combine that with the fact that these morons do not believe in vaccines, we are looking at a very sketchy future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paetolus View Post
    I agree, but there are lots of rich people who will also suffer heavily from tariffs, not just us poor folk. It's extraordinarily stupid to me that anyone thinks it's a remotely good idea.
    Assuming they're stupid is a mistake. Whatever the cost to everyone else, its irrelevant, they are set personally to gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuyaki View Post
    Tariffs worked a century ago? What? They FUELED the Great Depression.


    I am so happy that I never migrated to the US and stayed in Europe back then. Those tariffs will be a shit show. I will feast on the outcry of those idiots, and I really need to stock up on popcorn.
    Only bad thing that all the sane voters will be hit as well, you have my empathy.
    I'm mainly talking about everything before 1913, so I guess over a century at this point. Once the income tax was officially in place, tariffs became obsolete. Yeah, the Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act sucked, and it seems we didn't learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    They just refused to work.

    I don’t know how much you can coerce hardened criminals into doing things they don’t want to do.
    I'm not talking about hardened criminals. I am talking about illegals and the "enemies within".
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.chron.com/news/article/t...r-19941180.php



    I'm incredibly optimistic that Republicans are going to spend much of the next four years consistently sick from all the things we pasteurize milk to remove because drinking raw milk is now a thing conservatives are pushing as a way to "own the libs".

    Why am I posting that here? Because incoming HHS Secretary nominee RFK Jr. really likes raw milk and thinks more Americans should drink it.

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...ism-milk-covid



    Not that anyone here needs it, but a good reminder about why we started pasteurizing things and generally why it's a good idea that there are few to no real downsides over.
    Make America Sick Again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moralgy View Post
    Make America Sick Again!
    Looks like there maybe a decrease in Trump party voters in 2028.
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    If you take that and combine that with the fact that these morons do not believe in vaccines, we are looking at a very sketchy future.
    Or worst Trump takes Florida's lead and hides the outbreak numbers. Either by firing federal employees (CDC) or just ignoring findings we could face an even greater threat than COVID.

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