Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Shadowferal]

Well, there's an updated water treaty between Mexico and Texas regarding Texan farmers. I'm thinking that's going to go away...one way or another. Because really, a large percentage of such produce gets sold back to Mexico...which in turn gets resold back to the rest of the US.

[tehdang]

Missing the point as per usual. You’re deflecting to non-existent FBI scandals because Cheeto would rather appoint brown nosing sycophants.

Considering that I was literally asked why I hoped he'd be confirmed, that would be known as an on-topic response. Nothing more to add on the rest beyond what I already said here https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...8#post54603418

That if there were such big issues internally there would be reforms, no? That there would be more investigations? Nunes released a memo and...nothing really happened. FBI investigated materials, even if they came from opposition research, because they were worth investigating. They didn't ultimately find truth to many of the more sensational claims and, consequently, took no action on it as a result even if there was sufficient evidence to investigate.

This notion that investigations are "wrong" just because they didn't find the possible criminal behavior they were investigating, that happens all the time.

The oversight of the FBI by other bodies has a flaw. If the FBI investigates itself and (surprise) declares itself blameless, the House and Senate must be willing to defund or curtail FISA. That's an entrenched bureaucracy mainstay. Do nothing, and dare the oversight branches to risk the bad press about threatening national security and all the regular employees that aren't corrupt.

Not in the slightest, and this is what I mean about being confused by your contributions. Why introduce the efficient markets theory and assert that I may support it?

I've been very painfully clear that I have zero problems investigating an outfit like the FBI if there are potential issues there. I've been very painfully clear that I don't think Republicans, especially folks like Cash Patel or Devin Nunes, are the correct people to do these investigations given that, much like Jim Jordan and James Comer, they start with a decided conclusion and "investigate" to find support for said conclusion rather than investigate in good faith and move on if there's nothing there. I'm unsure what blanks you have to fill in, and why not be explicit in asking me directly about them instead of leaning on innuendo or mind-reading?

I'm glad you welcome these investigations. I could have hoped for a slightly better caliber of right-winger to guide the reforms, but Trump was elected president, not my choices.

[Edge-]

The oversight of the FBI by other bodies has a flaw. If the FBI investigates itself and (surprise) declares itself blameless, the House and Senate must be willing to defund or curtail FISA. That's an entrenched bureaucracy mainstay. Do nothing, and dare the oversight branches to risk the bad press about threatening national security and all the regular employees that aren't corrupt.

Ok but why did the House Intelligence Committee refuse to provide the report to the Senate Intelligence Committee? Surely the Senate Republicans would call out any dishonest from the Senate Democratic if they tried to misrepresent findings etc.

What bad press, though? Didn't the Nunes memo and haven't Cash Patel's current promises to upend the FBI gotten rave reviews from conservative media? We know conservatives take particular pride in "triggering" mainstream media or otherwise having them pointing out something is a bad idea, so wouldn't that be even better if mainstream media were giving them "bad press"? They generally seem to like that anyways.

I'm glad you welcome these investigations. I could have hoped for a slightly better caliber of right-winger to guide the reforms, but Trump was elected president, not my choices.

I'd hope for literally anyone remotely competent and not openly promising to be deeply corrupt and weaponize the government, personally. But I see we have different standards as you pretend towards reasonability in your boundless casual dishonesty.

[tehdang]

Ok but why did the House Intelligence Committee refuse to provide the report to the Senate Intelligence Committee? Surely the Senate Republicans would call out any dishonest from the Senate Democratic if they tried to misrepresent findings etc.

What bad press, though? Didn't the Nunes memo and haven't Cash Patel's current promises to upend the FBI gotten rave reviews from conservative media? We know conservatives take particular pride in "triggering" mainstream media or otherwise having them pointing out something is a bad idea, so wouldn't that be even better if mainstream media were giving them "bad press"? They generally seem to like that anyways.

The memo that would be declassified and released? Yes, it was declassified and released. The Senate Intelligence Committee got it. Like the rest of us.

The second you touch Department of Defense or FBI/CIA, you become the one about to destroy America.

I'd hope for literally anyone remotely competent and not openly promising to be deeply corrupt and weaponize the government, personally. But I see we have different standards as you pretend towards reasonability in your boundless casual dishonesty.

Right back at you on the last part.

[Ivanstone]

Considering that I was literally asked why I hoped he'd be confirmed, that would be known as an on-topic response. Nothing more to add on the rest beyond what I already said here https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...8#post54603418

And what you said was conspiracy theory warble-garble. You're just cheesed that the FBI was used to investigate people you like. Hoping that a loser like Patel (or Gaetz for that matter) would fix anything is delusional.

[Breccia]

And what you said was conspiracy theory warble-garble.

Did he have a choice? He's a Trump supporter. It would be out of character if he didn't.

[D Luniz]

Here’s Who’ll Pay the Highest Cost of Trump’s Tariff War

While Trump’s tariffs on Mexico are expected to cause consumer prices to soar for a number of imported products, they would have far wider adverse effects on the U.S. economy. Specifically, they will make life tough in Texas, where a majority of the residents voted for the tariff-touting incoming president.

Ray Perryman, the CEO of the financial analysis firm The Perryman Group, told Newsweek that the negative effects of Trump’s tariffs will likely hurt the Lone Star State the most “because of its proximity to and integration of supply chains with Mexico.”

“Texas would see a disproportionate impact, which we estimate to be about $46.9 billion in yearly gross state product (about 1.7 percent of the total) and approximately 370,000 jobs,” Perryman said.

Perryman warned that, if implemented, 25 percent tariffs on all goods from Mexico and Canada would result in an estimated loss of $250.6 billion in annual national GDP and approximately 1.97 million jobs, amounting to nearly one percent of the U.S. GDP.

Gary Clyde Hufbauer, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, told Newsweek that he agreed that the proposed tariffs would “severely impact” Texas.

“Not only all those avocados, mangos, beer, tequila etc. becoming more expensive to Texas consumers, but the decline in cross-border truck and rail traffic will throw a lot of Texans out of work,” he said. “Then there is the loss of Texas sales of consumer goods, cattle, gas, petroleum and electricity to Mexico. Thrown in a decline in Mexican tourism in Texas.”

Tony Payan, the director for the Center for the U.S. and Mexico at Rice University’s Baker Institute for Public Policy, told the Texas Standard that the “stakes could be high for both Texas and Mexico” when it came to Trump’s proposed tariffs.


I suspect Mexican water is going to get very pricey.

Texas imports more from Mexico than it imports from the rest of 49 states combined.

And they voted to tariff that.

[fwc577]

Texas imports more from Mexico than it imports from the rest of 49 states combined.

And they voted to tariff that.

I hope at least 25% of them, hopefully mostly Conservatives, end up homeless and freeze in the snowfall they seem to be getting once a year. They don't need to die but losing a limb would be a nice reminder for their fucking stupidity in the future, lmao.

[Doomcookie]

I get like four or five of these questions a year. I guess it is too hard to imagine that people post from the right on this website just to discuss things.

I recommend less otherizing of people on this website, and start to presume that I get paid as much as you do.

The same can be said of Christopher Ray's response to the issues and the IG report.

I just said that whatabouting sex predators won't get you anywhere on FBI scandal. If you want to talk about that instead, don't quote reply to posts that are on other topics. Same response as before:
There's some people that will want to talk about rapists and pedos when the subject is tax policy, FBI reform, fracking, or student loan subsidies, but I'm not about to feed any of that deflection and whataboutism.

Then, why do you refuse to address your support of no less than four rapists?

I'd really like to discuss that.

[NED funded]

Wait are we justifying Kash Patel now?

Kash Patel is an election denier conspiracy theory idiot. His nomination is another one in a long list of nominations where Trump prioritizes loyalty over meritocracy

You literally have him on record stating that he wants to go after the people in the media bc they said mean things abt Trump

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In 2020, Bondi was one of President Donald Trump's defense lawyers during his first impeachment trial. By 2024, she led the legal arm of the Trump-aligned America First Policy Institute. On November 21, 2024, president-elect Trump announced she would be nominated for United States attorney general after previous nominee Matt Gaetz withdrew.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam_Bondi

LMAO

They do not care about the country. Pure nepotism and loyalty

[Breccia]

Wait are we justifying Kash Patel now?

What choice do the people, who claim they didn't vote for Trump, have? "At least he's not Gaetz" is the best they have.

[NED funded]

What choice do the people, who claim they didn't vote for Trump, have? "At least he's not Gaetz" is the best they have.

I wouldnt be so annoyed if people like tehdang were just honest that they want someone that can attack their enemies. Kash Patel is not silent about this and has been loud on his intentions to go after everyone Trump considers an enemy.

[Somewhatconcerned]

I wouldnt be so annoyed if people like tehdang were just honest that they want someone that can attack their enemies. Kash Patel is not silent about this and has been loud on his intentions to go after everyone Trump considers an enemy.

Meh, this happens to some extent with every administration. Obama and the IRS for example.

[Ivanstone]

Obama and the IRS for example.

When the IRS went after dubious non-profits regardless of political affiliation? Conservatives got off easy because they very loudly whined about how they were being mistreated.

[NED funded]

Meh, this happens to some extent with every administration. Obama and the IRS for example.

That is Kash Patel he also has written books about denying the election.

[Edge-]

Meh, this happens to some extent with every administration. Obama and the IRS for example.

Citation required that it was at the direction of Obama*

Because it wasn't, and the IRS also "targeted" many liberal groups as well, because they were just doing general law enforcement (Which is mostly what the IRS is).

But hey, it helps if you just ignore and don't engage with the extremist rhetoric on your side and instead vaguely complain about the "other side" doing the same thing without any links or specificity to actually support your claims.

It's like y'all are phobic to reality.

[NED funded]

And for the record I dont mind conservative apointees. Marco Rubio, I dont like him but he is not a conspiracy idiot that wants to destroy the government and hunt the opposition. I hate Marco Rubio but he respects the institutions. Kash Patel is getting nominated bc he is a sycophant and wants to hunt the opposition

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Trumps own appointed members have denounced Kash Patel as an idiot that shouldnt be in positions of leadership

[Stormspellz]

Meh, this happens to some extent with every administration. Obama and the IRS for example.

Which remains a nothingburger of conservative victim complex to this day.

[NED funded]

Which remains a nothingburger of conservative victim complex to this day.

Its rather telling to me that the response from that person isnt "Wow Kash Patel promised to prosecute Trumps enemies, thats bad"

Instead it was an instant deflection to an unrelated point. Conservatives like him have no principles, its pure team sports

[Jastall]

Wait are we justifying Kash Patel now?

Kash Patel is an election denier conspiracy theory idiot. His nomination is another one in a long list of nominations where Trump prioritizes loyalty over meritocracy

You literally have him on record stating that he wants to go after the people in the media bc they said mean things abt Trump

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam_Bondi

LMAO

They do not care about the country. Pure nepotism and loyalty

He's kissed the ring. Nothing else matters to Trump, and the fact that he is politically convenient is also all that matters to the people who trip over themselves to make every available excuse for Trump.