Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Woodtable]

Yes...they will receive expedited approval, including for environmental regulations.

Still doesn't = waiving them.

Whose reading comprehension needs work, again?

How many turnips did you get for this post?

[Edge-]

Asked whether his presidency would be a "failure" if grocery prices don't come down, Trump responded it would not, while blaming the current administration for the way it handled inflation that led to higher food prices in the first place.

"Look, they got them up. I’d like to bring them down. It’s hard to bring things down once they’re up. You know, it’s very hard," he said in the interview published Thursday.

"But I think that they will. I think that energy is going to bring them down. I think a better supply chain is going to bring them down. You know, the supply chain is still broken. It’s broken," Trump said.

Trump has promised to further increase American energy production. It is currently already at all-time highs.

He also did not specify how he would fix any supply chain issues, pivoting instead to complaints about the Biden administration's incentives for electric vehicles.

Common Trump supporter L.

Vote for the guy because he promises to bring down the price of grocerise.

Before he's even elected he's backing away from the promise because it's hard and also doesn't even have the concept of a plan for it.

Because the POTUS can't do that, and neither can Congress. Unless Republicans want to pass price controls they clutched pearls about Democrats doing during the election.

Remember: Donald hates working and doesn't know how anything gets done. If something is remotely hard or complicated, he just gives up and blames others.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Common Trump supporter L.

Vote for the guy because he promises to bring down the price of grocerise.

Before he's even elected he's backing away from the promise because it's hard and also doesn't even have the concept of a plan for it.

Because the POTUS can't do that, and neither can Congress. Unless Republicans want to pass price controls they clutched pearls about Democrats doing during the election.

Remember: Donald hates working and doesn't know how anything gets done. If something is remotely hard or complicated, he just gives up and blames others.

How did he "back away" from it?

He said it would be hard, but that he thinks it will happen.

Reducing energy costs and further alleviating supply chain issues will absolutely help, if he can get it done. In the short term, tax cuts will put more money in your pocket and mine.

[Edge-]

How did he "back away" from it?

He said it would be hard, but that he thinks it will happen.

While offering zero information on how.

Spoilers: Because that's not in the authority of the executive branch, and could be forced by Congress but only via methods like price controls. You usually can't put inflation back in the bottle, it's a lot like toothpaste. Which is why everyone remotely informed was pointing out this was an impossible promise to begin with.

Reducing energy costs and further alleviating supply chain issues will absolutely help, if he can get it done. In the short term, tax cuts will put more money in your pocket and mine.

Is he reducing energy costs? We already produce record energy and have no energy shortage.

How much does the cost of energy contribute to the inflation we've seen lately?

How is he alleviating supply chain issues? Can he alleviate private supply chain issues? Can the US government? Short of say, mobilizing the military to assist? (who are absolutely incredible at getting things where they need to go, quickly)

What tax cuts? The tax cuts like the 2017 tax cuts which are not only historically unpopular but did little but add to the US debt/deficit while making corporations and the rich even richer, so they can buy more stock and engage in more stock buybacks that don't benefit the vast majority of Americans who own little to no stock?

If you just speak the the most vague of generalities you can say anything that sounds good. And it's incredibly easy. The hard part is figuring how how to actually do those things, and as we've heard from Donald he has the "concept of a plan" to replace the ACA. Which is sure exciting after, at this point approach 15 years of "Repeal and Replace!" with no actual Republican plan to replace.

[SunspotAnims]

How did he "back away" from it?

He said it would be hard, but that he thinks it will happen.

Reducing energy costs and further alleviating supply chain issues will absolutely help, if he can get it done. In the short term, tax cuts will put more money in your pocket and mine.

He's not cutting your taxes rofl, for one because you're not American but also because he ran on raising taxes??? Tariffs are gonna drive prices up you little troll.

[Edge-]

He's not cutting your taxes rofl, for one because you're not American but also because he ran on raising taxes??? Tariffs are gonna drive prices up you little troll.

You see, you cut the taxes in a way that disproportionately benefit corporations and the wealthy then you institute what is essentially a consumption-tax on all imported goods which primarily impacts lower and middle-class Americans as part of the continued decades of Republicans pushing to redistribute wealth from the lower and middle classes to the upper class, with assistance from Democrats at times. It's been incredibly effective!

[Jessicka]

You see, you cut the taxes in a way that disproportionately benefit corporations and the wealthy then you institute what is essentially a consumption-tax on all imported goods which primarily impacts lower and middle-class Americans as part of the continued decades of Republicans pushing to redistribute wealth from the lower and middle classes to the upper class, with assistance from Democrats at times. It's been incredibly effective!

Just have to buy shoddy American made stuff!

[Somewhatconcerned]

He's not cutting your taxes rofl, for one because you're not American but also because he ran on raising taxes??? Tariffs are gonna drive prices up you little troll.

He absolutely will cut our taxes. Tariffs may drive up prices but with tax cuts it will still be a net gain in our pockets.

I'd rather pay the "tax" in the form of a tariff than to give anymore money to the federal government.

[Draco-Onis]

He absolutely will cut our taxes. Tariffs may drive up prices but with tax cuts it will still be a net gain in our pockets.

I'd rather pay the "tax" in the form of a tariff than to give anymore money to the federal government.

Trump was president for 4 years we have data of his tax cuts and tariffs, none of what you said happened. The majority of the tax cuts went to the rich and the part for the poor had an quick expiration date. The tariffs on washing machines cost US consumers 1.4-1.5 billion dollars a year mainly because they resulted in the cost of dryers going up as well and the government made 82 million dollars a year.

[Edge-]

He absolutely will cut our taxes. Tariffs may drive up prices but with tax cuts it will still be a net gain in our pockets.

I'd rather pay the "tax" in the form of a tariff than to give anymore money to the federal government.

So you'd rather give it to private corporations to enrich wealthy owners and major shareholders than give it to the federal government who literally put it all back into the economy paying salaries and funding projects?

No wonder America is on the fast track to the bottom of the toilet.

And BTW that money still ultimately goes to the federal government since it's a tax on the companies themselves. They'll just pass it on to consumers, rofl. This just lets corporations get a bonus markup.

Again, too many conservatives seem to have no clue how tariffs actually work.

[Breccia]

I'd rather pay the "tax" in the form of a tariff than to give anymore money to the federal government.

You...do know that tariffs...also go to the federal government? That you're handing money to the companies that paid it, then charge you extra? And that Trump specifically and unilaterally does those?

The way I see it, you have three options.
1) Say "Oh, do they? I did not know that". An actual public declaration that you've been pushing policy you do not understand.
2) Say "Yes, I know, but it's different when I'm only paying indirectly." This will require an explanation, by the way.
3) Admit you're trolling. Which with "tax" in quotation marks, I don't think is true. I think you know it's being passed along and you're admitting that. I think your opinion is #2.

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Common Trump supporter L.

Indeed. Nothing changed between Trump promising to bring down the price of groceries, and being elected. There is no new information or changes that happened that he somehow did not know about when making the promise.

Vote Trump, and your incomes will soar. Your net worth will skyrocket. Your energy costs and grocery prices will come tumbling down.

--September of this year

Some people believed him.

[Rasulis]

He absolutely will cut our taxes. Tariffs may drive up prices but with tax cuts it will still be a net gain in our pockets.

I'd rather pay the "tax" in the form of a tariff than to give anymore money to the federal government.

Approximately 90% of US taxpayers opt for Standard Deduction. This pretty much tell us that 90% of US taxpayers are tapped out as far as deductions are concerned, and won't get much, or any, benefits from new tax cuts. The ones that will benefit the most are the 10% that use itemized deductions and can actually take advantage of new tax cuts.

[BigToast]

He absolutely will cut our taxes. Tariffs may drive up prices but with tax cuts it will still be a net gain in our pockets.

I'd rather pay the "tax" in the form of a tariff than to give anymore money to the federal government.

MAGA Math: it's like 1D Checkers.

[Malkiah]

He absolutely will cut our taxes.

no, he will raise your taxes, if you're an american and posting on this forum.

literally nobody with enough obscene wealth to get a tax cut from a republican is posting on MMO-champion, if you're slumming it up in the politics subforum you're an at-best stable middle class shlub, and trump raised your 2017 in order to lower them on elon musk, and he'll do it again in 2025.

[Somewhatconcerned]

DOGE is for everyone!

https://thehill.com/homenews/5032658...nt-efficiency/

[Draco-Onis]

DOGE is for everyone!

https://thehill.com/homenews/5032658...nt-efficiency/

Are you serious? everyone with two brain cells knows there's zero chance Musk is going to cut defense spending because it lines his own pockets an those of his buddies. The progressive left is trolling those two idiots so that they can say but you said you wanted to cut waste how come you aren't cutting the defense budget. Frankly I think it's a silly game but obviously there are people like you who are too dumb and are falling for it which is sad.

[DarkTZeratul]

Are you serious? everyone with two brain cells knows there's zero chance Musk is going to cut defense spending because it lines his own pockets an those of his buddies. The progressive left is trolling those two idiots so that they can say but you said you wanted to cut waste how come you aren't cutting the defense budget. Frankly I think it's a silly game but obviously there are people like you who are too dumb and are falling for it which is sad.

Also, at absolute fucking best DOGE can suggest cutting defense spending. And then Congress will ignore that suggestion, because they're the ones who actually control how much money gets spent on what and DOGE is purely an advisory group with no real power.

[NED funded]

Its kind of wild that people voted for Trump to fuck up the establishment while Trump is out here putting literal billionaires in charge of auditing the government.

Like I know it doesnt matter but everything is so unprincipled its insane.

[fwc577]

literal billionaires in charge of auditing the government.

Hey, anyone seen this guy?

[Shadowferal]

Chinese President Xi Jinping has reportedly declined to attend Donald Trump’s inauguration next month in Washington, despite the president-elect personally extending an invitation to the foreign leader.

"We have a good relationship with China. I have a good relationship," Trump said during a CNBC interview Thursday morning. "We've been talking and discussing with President Xi some things."

Xi had Chinese lawmakers amend the country's constitution in 2018 to remove term limits and impose strict censorship and surveillance measures. The invite came as Trump ratchets up rhetoric and threats of steep tariffs on China.

I'm sure at this point Xi has had enough of Trump’s bullshit.