Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Belize]

Yes...they will receive expedited approval, including for environmental regulations.

Still doesn't = waiving them.

Whose reading comprehension needs work, again?

Hi, I work in industry, and have to deal with permitting very frequently.

Let me spell it out for you: the only way to fast track a permit is to wave sections based on "close enough" scenarios, which is very much frowned upon.

Permitting takens time because each scenario is unique. Ask anyone that's had to sit through an FMEA or a PSSR or help your soul if you're doing a PSM, as part of a permit review, it is not a quick process. And those are the reviews.


Issuing a new environmental permit takes longer, because you have to do worst a case scenario analysis, get all the air permitting sorted, prove you have an ERP (not the software, the reaction plan), etc, etc.

What Trump is saying is 100% that if a company has enough money, they will simply waive all those things to fast track them. There's no other way around, because there is no fast track.. Throw all the monkeys you want at a typewriter, these studies and permits take a lot of time, months/years often, because of their nature and complexity.

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Just have to buy shoddy American made stuff!

That have all their parts made in China, so they can surcharge you for both the tariffs AND being "made in America"!

[Shadowferal]

Just have to buy shoddy American made stuff!

My old Pendleton blanket (made in US) is still far superior to any blanket I've ever had...even better than the recycled fiber blankets which are almost as good for keeping warm. (Made in Mexico)
It's just the one thing..

[Kathandira]

Its kind of wild that people voted for Trump to fuck up the establishment while Trump is out here putting literal billionaires in charge of auditing the government.

Like I know it doesnt matter but everything is so unprincipled its insane.

The people who cried about big government, and big business, just gave big business the keys to the government. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so screwed up.

[fwc577]

My old Pendleton blanket (made in US) is still far superior to any blanket I've ever had...even better than the recycled fiber blankets which are almost as good for keeping warm. (Made in Mexico)
It's just the one thing..

Newer pendleton blankets low key suck though. I've got one for sale and it's packed away in my storage unit, if I go there later, I should see if they're still producing them in America or if they're making them in China now.

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The people who cried about big government, and big business, just gave big business the keys to the government. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so screwed up.

I will never forget how one of my ex-bosses was pro-Trump in 2016 because "Hillary would be the most pay-to-play President we'd ever have in the country"

[diller]

Does it ever not strike you as odd that when there’s a diplomatic incident, it’s embassy diplomats that get expelled. Do you really, honestly, think those are just regular diplomats? Normal office working bureaucrats?

LMAO, no it's not odd - it's usually the only punishment you can do to a country if you are mad at them - it has NOTHING to do with the staff at all, holy shit!

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You're misrepresenting this.

Stop lying.

PEAK IRONY right there.

[Doomcookie]

He absolutely will cut our taxes. Tariffs may drive up prices but with tax cuts it will still be a net gain in our pockets.

I'd rather pay the "tax" in the form of a tariff than to give anymore money to the federal government.

Tariffs are taxes.

he will absolutely raise taxes.

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DOGE is for everyone!

https://thehill.com/homenews/5032658...nt-efficiency/

Is that why you think rapists are good? This is an established reality based on your poll choices, and historical record.

After all, you are a Trump voter.

We already saw what he did last time, and the debt and deficits skyrocketed. Why didn't his scheme work the first time? Why did you support his lies the first time?

[Gabriel]

He absolutely will cut our taxes. Tariffs may drive up prices but with tax cuts it will still be a net gain in our pockets.

I'd rather pay the "tax" in the form of a tariff than to give anymore money to the federal government.

Screen capped for posterity.

[Odinfrost]

I wonder how many fucking times it has to be explained that tariffs are taxes like... come on

[Shadowferal]

Newer pendleton blankets low key suck though. I've got one for sale and it's packed away in my storage unit, if I go there later, I should see if they're still producing them in America or if they're making them in China now.

I have heard that what's produced today is a far cry from what was...those older blankets were typically passed down from one generation to another, or so I was told. And..I believe it.

Still, I admit if I can afford it anytime in the near future I'd purchase another...if it doesn't compare then the donation bin it goes.

[Woodtable]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/h...e=articleShare

Kennedy’s Lawyer Has Asked the F.D.A. to Revoke Approval of the Polio Vaccine. Good luck everyone

[tehdang]

Hi, I work in industry, and have to deal with permitting very frequently.

Let me spell it out for you: the only way to fast track a permit is to wave sections based on "close enough" scenarios, which is very much frowned upon.

Permitting takens time because each scenario is unique. Ask anyone that's had to sit through an FMEA or a PSSR or help your soul if you're doing a PSM, as part of a permit review, it is not a quick process. And those are the reviews.


Issuing a new environmental permit takes longer, because you have to do worst a case scenario analysis, get all the air permitting sorted, prove you have an ERP (not the software, the reaction plan), etc, etc.

What Trump is saying is 100% that if a company has enough money, they will simply waive all those things to fast track them. There's no other way around, because there is no fast track.. Throw all the monkeys you want at a typewriter, these studies and permits take a lot of time, months/years often, because of their nature and complexity.

Would you be able to identify permitting or regulation that is unnecessarily time-consuming, consisting of bureaucrats making up costly requirements through their agency's power, or wholly disconnected from any interest in safeguarding the public or the environment?

The best argument against "these things take time because each scenario is unique" is "would you be able to identify when the process fails and the mess serves nobody's actual interest." Elon's brought up some examples. My state of California failed at light-rail (15 years later it gained environmental approval. One potential French contractor blamed politics). Two years and $7.5 billion dollars of infrastructure spending has only built 7 electrical vehicle charging stations in the US. $42.5 billion dollars for broadband internet access to under-served and rural communities has connected 0 people to the internet.

It could just be "the system works" people pointing specifically to proper regulations and permitting, and "the system doesn't work, knocking it down would be an improvement" pointing to improper regulations and permitting.

[Jessicka]

Would you be able to identify permitting or regulation that is unnecessarily time-consuming, consisting of bureaucrats making up costly requirements through their agency's power, or wholly disconnected from any interest in safeguarding the public or the environment?

The best argument against "these things take time because each scenario is unique" is "would you be able to identify when the process fails and the mess serves nobody's actual interest." Elon's brought up some examples. My state of California failed at light-rail (15 years later it gained environmental approval. One potential French contractor blamed politics). Two years and $7.5 billion dollars of infrastructure spending has only built 7 electrical vehicle charging stations in the US. $42.5 billion dollars for broadband internet access to under-served and rural communities has connected 0 people to the internet.

It could just be "the system works" people pointing specifically to proper regulations and permitting, and "the system doesn't work, knocking it down would be an improvement" pointing to improper regulations and permitting.

Legislation like this exists as a reaction to a problem, usually a catastrophic one, or very near miss, that already occurred and killed or maimed people. The consequence of repealing or fast tracking (read skipping) it, usually kills or maims people. Or in the case of for example financial regulation, bankrupts a lot of people.

[D Luniz]

AKA

All regulations are written in blood.

[Gabriel]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/h...e=articleShare

Kennedy’s Lawyer Has Asked the F.D.A. to Revoke Approval of the Polio Vaccine. Good luck everyone

I love this timeline.

[Belize]

Would you be able to identify permitting or regulation that is unnecessarily time-consuming, consisting of bureaucrats making up costly requirements through their agency's power, or wholly disconnected from any interest in safeguarding the public or the environment?

No, because permitting is inherently linked to safety, both of the workers and of the community at large. The answer of "why are we doing this, it's sooooo long" is always "someone could die if there's an oversight".


I'll touch on your example of California light-rail, and point out there's massive amounts of lobbying from the car industry, including Elon against building rail in America. This isn't a failure where there's too much regulation, it's a failure where there isn't enough regulation to stop companies and private individuals with ulterior motives from screwing with the process.

The above is largely absent from Industry (to a certain extent, there's always some amount of competitive fuckery when it comes to certification and approval of products, big example being the dicamba ban and the behind the scenes of the various AG companies putting their thumbs on the scale both for and against). But when it comes to lets say, a plant expansion or a greenfield project, there's no "wasted" regulation/permitting approval that doesn't need to be there. Companies do their best to keep that kind of paperwork down to a minimum so what we currently have is as lean as it can get without cutting corners and safety.

[tehdang]

No, because permitting is inherently linked to safety, both of the workers and of the community at large. The answer of "why are we doing this, it's sooooo long" is always "someone could die if there's an oversight".


I'll touch on your example of California light-rail, and point out there's massive amounts of lobbying from the car industry, including Elon against building rail in America. This isn't a failure where there's too much regulation, it's a failure where there isn't enough regulation to stop companies and private individuals with ulterior motives from screwing with the process.

The above is largely absent from Industry (to a certain extent, there's always some amount of competitive fuckery when it comes to certification and approval of products, big example being the dicamba ban and the behind the scenes of the various AG companies putting their thumbs on the scale both for and against). But when it comes to lets say, a plant expansion or a greenfield project, there's no "wasted" regulation/permitting approval that doesn't need to be there. Companies do their best to keep that kind of paperwork down to a minimum so what we currently have is as lean as it can get without cutting corners and safety.

I would include both hostile lobbying and inefficient and counterproductive government as impediments to a facile "it's inherently linked to safety." Sometimes, it isn't. Safety occupies last place or second-last on the hierarchy of considerations.

But I do think you've answered my question in the negative. I also do acknowledge that the regulatory state has its pockets of good function, and streamlining or cutting everything might hit the good parts.

Legislation like this exists as a reaction to a problem, usually a catastrophic one, or very near miss, that already occurred and killed or maimed people. The consequence of repealing or fast tracking (read skipping) it, usually kills or maims people. Or in the case of for example financial regulation, bankrupts a lot of people.

I would be far less certain that this is universally true, or even majority true. Even good original causes can be overtaken by decades of bloat from regulatory capture or bureaucratic mal-administration.

[Woodtable]

Wanted to spread some more good news! Trump’s team has reportedly asked about closing a bank regulator - and it could put savings at risk.

The FDIC was created during the Great Depression. It is designed to help bulk up faith in the nation’s banking system. Most people know the agency as it insures deposits in banks up to $250,000.So if there was a run on a bank or one would collapse, people with up to $250,000 wouldn’t lose their money because it’s insured by the federal government.

If the FDIC went away, everyday people could lose that insurance or guarantees that their money will still be available in the event of a bank run or collapse.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2663727.html

[Edge-]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/robert...polio-vaccine/

Kennedy’s personal attorney Aaron Siri, who has been helping Donald Trump’s nominee for secretary of health and human services interview candidates for top health jobs, has sued the Food and Drug Administration to withdraw its approval for the polio vaccine, The New York Times reported.

MAKE POLIO GREAT AGAIN

MAKE KIDS CRIPPLED AGAIN

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...t-2025-2000245

"I don't disagree with everything in Project 2025, but I disagree with some things," he told Time. "I specifically didn't want to read it because it wasn't under my auspices, and I wanted to be able to say that, you know, the only way I can say I have nothing to do with it is if you don't read it. I don't want—I didn't want to read it. I read enough about it. They have some things that are very conservative and very good. They have other things that I don't like."

Idiot con-man cons a nation of gullible idiots, roflmao. This is the equivalent of closing your eyes and thinking if you can't see them they can't see you.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...the-full-list/

Meanwhile, quite a few folks with ties to it will be members of his adminsitration.

Trump supporters better hope that out-of-touch billionaires who think that stores store fresh apples in refrigerators will save them and won't fuck them over -

She said, ‘Will you excuse me,’ and she walked one of the apples back to the refrigerator and came back to pay for the two apples and she left with two apples and the woman said, ‘That was so sad

It's like that time Mehmet Oz clearly walked into a grocery store for the first time in ages for a staged video lamenting the prices of ingredients for his wife's crudite that he's never shopped for. An extremely relatable experience for the Americans that regularly eat crudite!

[Somewhatconcerned]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/robert...polio-vaccine/



MAKE POLIO GREAT AGAIN

MAKE KIDS CRIPPLED AGAIN

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...t-2025-2000245



Idiot con-man cons a nation of gullible idiots, roflmao. This is the equivalent of closing your eyes and thinking if you can't see them they can't see you.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...the-full-list/

Meanwhile, quite a few folks with ties to it will be members of his adminsitration.

Trump supporters better hope that out-of-touch billionaires who think that stores store fresh apples in refrigerators will save them and won't fuck them over -



It's like that time Mehmet Oz clearly walked into a grocery store for the first time in ages for a staged video lamenting the prices of ingredients for his wife's crudite that he's never shopped for. An extremely relatable experience for the Americans that regularly eat crudite!

Kennedy won't be confirmed so don't worry. GOP doesn't like him for his pro-choice stances in the past.

[Doomcookie]

I would include both hostile lobbying and inefficient and counterproductive government as impediments to a facile "it's inherently linked to safety." Sometimes, it isn't. Safety occupies last place or second-last on the hierarchy of considerations.

But I do think you've answered my question in the negative. I also do acknowledge that the regulatory state has its pockets of good function, and streamlining or cutting everything might hit the good parts.

I would be far less certain that this is universally true, or even majority true. Even good original causes can be overtaken by decades of bloat from regulatory capture or bureaucratic mal-administration.

Elon Musk is a hostile lobbyist.

Do you know what irony is?

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Kennedy won't be confirmed so don't worry. GOP doesn't like him for his pro-choice stances in the past.

So, you're only argument is that you and the GOP are worse than everyone else, and it's a good thing?

Weird.