Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Mayhem]

The deep fake porn measure also covered revenge porn and required social media sites pull it down when alerted to it. No wonder Musk wanted it killed.

Good, so Musk opened the door for a myriad of republican faces deepfake gay porn movies? Well done, Elon the brain, well done.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I think the whole "President Musk" goading Trump is funny and all, and might even work to get Musk and Trump to "divorce"...

But I frankly don't think it's going to work. Trump is already in stages of dementia, and as I said all Trump wanted the presidency for was to stay out of jail. I wouldn't be surprised if this whole "president Musk" goading just blows over, Trump takes a back seat and Musk starts trying to lead the country. It certainly will make for an interesting test of our ultimate checks and balances.

Already the planned policies of the new Musk administration plan to:
Raise the prices of most imported consumer goods by putting a tariff on them, which is basically just a consumption tax for imported goods. Conservatives have been wanting consumption tax to replace income tax for decades.
Lower taxes on billionaires
Pay for those tax cuts by cutting social security and medicare

There's lots of regret going around among the centrists who voted for him, but at this point I can't be bothered to give much of a fuck about them. They made their bed.

[Templar 331]

Maybe we truly do see the GOP fracture by the time 2028 comes around into two separate parties where RINOs retain the GOP name and MAGA, now faced without a Trump presidency post 2028, no longer turns out for the GOP but whatever bullshit Musk starts shoveling their way on X.

As we've seen before, the GOP will change their stripes as quick as the winds change. The GOP was against Trump when he first ran and now they can't kiss the ring fast enough. If Trump and Musk do have a falling out Musk will just swap GOP members as his pick. If it's a bad enough falling out I can see Musk backing Vance and pushing a 25th Amendment to oust Trump all over Shitter.

[fwc577]

Musk use to be a Democrat, the problem is the far left has hijacked the Democrat party which is why you're seeing a bunch of Democrats drop party or even switch to Republican. From a business standpoint it would be foolish for Musk to attack Trump because the Democrats are already trying to illegally sabotage Musk's businesses because they don't like his politics.

You're likely going to see more infighting of Democrats, you have Classic liberals fighting with the progressives to are swinging so far left they are making Democrats lose more elections. Some Democrats see the writing on the wall and know they need to go back to be more moderate but you have others who are doubling down on crazy. Republicans are going to continue to enjoy wins until Democrat leadership get it together and start squashing the far left activist in their party.

ROFLMAO. Shut the fuck up. The "far left" didn't hijack the Democratic party. You just sound fucking stupid.

The people who are "switching parties" were either bought out (Sinema) or were Democrats in name only. In some cases, they were likely plants by the Republicans.

The overton window has shifted SIGNIFICANTLY right. There is no "far left" in America.

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But I frankly don't think it's going to work. Trump is already in stages of dementia, and as I said all Trump wanted the presidency for was to stay out of jail. I wouldn't be surprised if this whole "president Musk" goading just blows over, Trump takes a back seat and Musk starts trying to lead the country. It certainly will make for an interesting test of our ultimate checks and balances.

You've never dealt with a dementia patient before, have you? Their emotions can swing quite wildly IF HE IS suffering from dementia.

I have worked in a memory care unit as well as I have a grandparent going through dementia right now. She needlessly blew up on kitchen and nursing staff the other night because she was denied being allowed to eat something she was allergic to. Then, she's STILL dwelling on it to this day because she keeps forgetting or cannot understand that she could not eat it because she's allergic too it and is still being a pain in the ass.

My grandma was a pretty normal and stable person before she started showing signs. Trump didn't have the benefit of being a normal and stable person prior to starting to show signs of dementia.

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As we've seen before, the GOP will change their stripes as quick as the winds change. The GOP was against Trump when he first ran and now they can't kiss the ring fast enough. If Trump and Musk do have a falling out Musk will just swap GOP members as his pick. If it's a bad enough falling out I can see Musk backing Vance and pushing a 25th Amendment to oust Trump all over Shitter.

25th Trump isn't going to work for his cult. Yes, the GOP winds can change real fast, but just look at elections where Trump isn't on the top of the ticket (midterms) compared to when he is on the ticket. There is a massive enthusiasm gap and Musk/Vance just isn't going to get it done like Trump got it done. I mean, ffs, there are at least 5 different incidents in the last 6 months that if it were any GOP president other than Trump seeking election, their campaign would've been doomed.

[SAY HER NAME]

Musk very obviously became a maga sycophant bc of his daughter being trans. Like do people deny that?

[fwc577]

Musk very obviously became a maga sycophant bc of his daughter being trans. Like do people deny that?

His ex, Grimes cucked him with Chelsea Manning too.

He's on a full mental break.

It's why Tesla is going to shit. Txiiter has gone to shit. And I'm sure SpaceX is the next one to go to shit.

[Endus]

Musk use to be a Democrat, the problem is the far left

There is literally no "far left" in the American political sphere, in any way whatsoever. The furthest left you get is center-left people like AOC or Bernie Sanders. Who are still capitalists, even if they think there should be further checks. You don't even get left-wing enough for proper socialist voices to have any meaningful presence in American politics, and socialism itself isn't "far left" by default.

You're just expressing your own personal far-right extremism, here, and how that's twisted your perspective. The Overton Window in the USA is not centered. Its middle is rightward of center-right positions. And any given Overton Window is not an objective description of how left- or right-wing a given view is. An Overton window which only stretches from the center-left to the extreme right does not make the center-left "far left". It just demonstrates the extreme bias of that Overton window.

the Democrats are already trying to illegally sabotage Musk's businesses because they don't like his politics.

If the Democrats are able to pass legislation that "sabotages" Musk's businesses, then it's explicitly legal, not "illegal". You're struggling with basic concepts.

You're likely going to see more infighting of Democrats, you have Classic liberals fighting with the progressives to are swinging so far left they are making Democrats lose more elections.

1> Classical liberalism is a right-wing ideology.
2> Progressivism is not remotely a "far-left" ideology. It leans left, at best. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
3> The autopsy of the Democratic failure in 2024 demonstrates that support was strongest when Harris picked Walz, a progressive, as her VP, and they were pushing a more-progressive set of talking points. As the campaign went on, they shifted to a moderated stance, trying to reach across the aisle to invite Republican voters who weren't as extreme as their colleagues. This both failed to achieve any meaningful results in that respect, and it drove away the upwell of support from progressives, leading directly to their eventual loss. You're pushing a determinably false narrative.

Some Democrats see the writing on the wall and know they need to go back to be more moderate but you have others who are doubling down on crazy. Republicans are going to continue to enjoy wins until Democrat leadership get it together and start squashing the far left activist in their party.

Your entire argument boils down to this image. It's an insultingly dishonest argument on its face.



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Musk very obviously became a maga sycophant bc of his daughter being trans. Like do people deny that?

You mean "because he's a transphobic shithead who hates his own daughter enough to join a political movement that will seek to kill her and anyone like her".

It wasn't "because his daughter was trans". It's because he's a hateful bigoted dickwad. If he hadn't had a trans daughter, he'd still be just as much of a hateful bigot. She had nothing whatsoever to do with that.

[Rasulis]

25th Trump isn't going to work for his cult. Yes, the GOP winds can change real fast, but just look at elections where Trump isn't on the top of the ticket (midterms) compared to when he is on the ticket. There is a massive enthusiasm gap and Musk/Vance just isn't going to get it done like Trump got it done. I mean, ffs, there are at least 5 different incidents in the last 6 months that if it were any GOP president other than Trump seeking election, their campaign would've been doomed.

In 2020, voters were not voting for Biden, but against Trump. In 2024, it was the other way around. Voters were voting against what they perceived to be Biden's economic and immigration policies. Fairly or not, Harris is part of that package which put her at a disadvantage.

Proof?

Trump won all 7 swing states. Democrats won 4 swing state Senate seats.

In California Trump flipped 10 counties. Democrats flipped 3 house seats. GOP majority in the House is even thinner than it was.

This election is not a major voter realignment. Rather, voters “voted against Biden” but had reservations about Republicans not to jump on board with their Senate and House candidates, too.

[DarkTZeratul]

In 2020, voters were not voting for Biden, but against Trump. In 2024, it was the other way around. Voters were voting against what they perceived to be Biden's economic and immigration policies. Fairly or not, Harris is part of that package which put her at a disadvantage.

Proof?

Trump won all 7 swing states. Democrats won 4 swing state Senate seats.

In California Trump flipped 10 counties. Democrats flipped 3 house seats. GOP majority in the House is even thinner than it was.

This election is not a major voter realignment. Rather, voters “voted against Biden” but had reservations about Republicans not to jump on board with their Senate and House candidates, too.

I wouldn't even say it's anything specifically against Biden. As James Carville once said, "it's the economy, stupid." We're still seeing the lingering inflationary effects of Covid (and the artificial price hikes by companies taking advantage of it), and that has led, world-wide, to incumbencies losing at an unprecedented degree. Right, left, doesn't matter; the economy's still not great, and people everywhere are dumping their leaders for something new.

[fwc577]

I wouldn't even say it's anything specifically against Biden. As James Carville once said, "it's the economy, stupid." We're still seeing the lingering inflationary effects of Covid (and the artificial price hikes by companies taking advantage of it), and that has led, world-wide, to incumbencies losing at an unprecedented degree. Right, left, doesn't matter; the economy's still not great, and people everywhere are dumping their leaders for something new.

And at least in America, that is a huge mistake and there is going to be lots of painful regrets over the next 4 years.

Anyone who was afraid of the GOP and what Trump could potentially do on his "revenge" tour should be breathing a sigh of relief after this week.

That's not to say the next 4 years are going to be smooth sailing under a GOP slim majority (for at least the next 2 years) but that it's certainly not going to be the doom that people have been thinking could happen over the next 4 years.

[Rasulis]

My biggest problem this election is who won the election.

I didn't agree with Reagan's brand of conservatism. However, there was no denying the man's charm.

Bush was Cheney's puppet. However, he obviously cared for the country.

On the other hand, Trump doesn't have a single redeeming feature. The man is a caricature of the worst human's aspects all rolled into one package without the grace - greed, dishonesty, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, cowardice, etc. You name it, and he personified it.

[fwc577]

The man is a caricature of the worst human's aspects all rolled into one package without the grace - greed, dishonesty, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, cowardice, etc. You name it, and he personified it.

The man...

is a perfect representation of the spirit of America in the days of Social Media.

It's disgusting but true.

[Malkiah]

The man...

is a perfect representation of the spirit of America in the days of Social Media.

It's disgusting but true.

fixed that for you.

one thing i've been feeling a lot the last month or so is a deep sense of pity for those of you who are just now learning that this is, was, and always will be what US conservatism is.
trump is nothing new, he's just the first time in the current generation that this wasn't dog whistled adroitly enough that you didn't notice it.

[ringpriest]

His ex, Grimes cucked him with Chelsea Manning too.

He's on a full mental break.

It's why Tesla is going to shit. Txiiter has gone to shit. And I'm sure SpaceX is the next one to go to shit.

Of them all, only SpaceX has a fully integrated "manage Musk's ego" team. While that doesn't make them immune to Musk's abuses (nor do nifty rockets absolve them or all responsiblity - although they can serve as a Stay Out Of Jail card), it does give SpaceX a leg up when it comes to keeping a megalomaniac from destroying the company.

[SAY HER NAME]

His ex, Grimes cucked him with Chelsea Manning too.

He's on a full mental break.

It's why Tesla is going to shit. Txiiter has gone to shit. And I'm sure SpaceX is the next one to go to shit.

I still remember when Tesla was about actually bringing electric cars to society, after the failure of the cybertruck. Now its basically the place where you can speculate on musks position of power.

[diller]

Musk use to be a Democrat, the problem is the far left has hijacked the Democrat party

Nice fanfiction.

[Shadowferal]

Musk use to be a Democra

..whatever.
Posting and running away is typical of your cowardly ilk.

oh look!
Many of President-elect Donald Trump’s supporters realize now they were lied to

What’s particularly ironic is the realization that many of Trump's supporters, who voted for him based on his promises of economic prosperity, will soon have to reconcile that Trump’s support for tariffs is likely to hurt them directly through rising prices on goods and services. This is the classic case of "the cost of doing business" being passed down to the consumer, something experts and advocates have been warning about for years.

While the public's growing familiarity with tariffs is a positive development, it’s too little, too late for consumers, particularly MAGA voters, who will be the ones reeling from the consequences of their actions.

[gondrin]

You're apparently not reading the news correctly. The vote was on Trump's/Elon's plan. It failed.

Elon Musk lashes out as he gets first taste of political failure when spending deal voted down

Big Tech billionaire humiliated on Capitol Hill after meddling leads to pre-Christmas chaos for lawmakers as government shutdown looms



OpenSecrets keeps receipts.

Of course, that only includes campaign donations, so it won't include other donations/payments by anyone. But there are people on those lists who have donated large amounts in multiple cycles, too, which Elon hasn't.

I love how he tries to blame the Democrats.

Sorry Elon. Blame the 30+ Republicans that decided to not vote for it. The GOP currently has a majority in the House. Expecting the Democrats to go along with you and then blaming them for not helping is literally like blaming a basketball player for the opposing team for not helping your team score by shooting into the wrong basket. Blame the GOP for scrapping a bill that BOTH parties, except for yourself and your orange minion, supported and would have passed both the House and Senate and would have been on the desk of the President before the end of the day Friday.

You literally wanted this Elon. You wanted this shit sandwich and now are complaining it tastes like shit. Sorry pal, now eat your shit and shut up.

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Musk use to be a Democrat, the problem is the far left has hijacked the Democrat party which is why you're seeing a bunch of Democrats drop party or even switch to Republican. From a business standpoint it would be foolish for Musk to attack Trump because the Democrats are already trying to illegally sabotage Musk's businesses because they don't like his politics.

You're likely going to see more infighting of Democrats, you have Classic liberals fighting with the progressives to are swinging so far left they are making Democrats lose more elections. Some Democrats see the writing on the wall and know they need to go back to be more moderate but you have others who are doubling down on crazy. Republicans are going to continue to enjoy wins until Democrat leadership get it together and start squashing the far left activist in their party.

In what way are they trying to sabotage his businesses? By requiring them to adhere to safety regulations? By not giving them subsidies that they no longer need?

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Good, so Musk opened the door for a myriad of republican faces deepfake gay porn movies? Well done, Elon the brain, well done.

The question is, would it really be deepfake if it tends to be true but not out in the open?

[Endus]

The question is, would it really be deepfake if it tends to be true but not out in the open?

If he manages to get porn deepfake protections removed/prevented, I hope every second post on Twitter is a deepfake of Elon getting his ass railed by buff black guys.

Not because I think there's anything wrong with that (other than the deepfaking shit), but I'm sure it'll drive his white supremacist and homophobic ass absolutely crazy.

[PhaelixWW]

I'm not sure that he's nothing without Trump

Why the hell do people always ignore the qualifiers?

"Practically nothing, politically" is not the same thing as "absolutely nothing, whatsoever".

Musk is a tool. He has a use, and that use can be bent towards the political goal of others, but he's not and never will be an actual political power on his own. At best (worst?), he's an agent of chaos. And like most agents of chaos, he's only really effective when someone is holding his leash and uses him as a threat to keep others in line. He's a living embodiment of one of the RUD's for which he's infamous.

Ask yourself: if Musk and Trump have a falling out (which will almost certainly happens sooner or later), who will walk away being viewed as the "victor"?