Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Shadowferal]

Waitwaitwaitwait WAIT! People who rely on services and benifits from higher government spending voted for the party that constantly talks about cutting spending and services, headed by a guy who constantly talks about cutting spending and services and made a pseudo department all about cutting spending and services?

... Do American voters just not use their ears? Or look 8 years into the past to see Trump doing exacly the above?

It's not just 8yrs ago...it's every year since the "modern conservative" was codified by Goldwater and Buckley.

[gondrin]

Well, Poor Trump supporters are about to get a rude awakening — but we shouldn't be celebrating

According to the Post, “50 percent of voters from families with an income of less than $50,000 a year cast their ballots for Trump, according to [exit polls], compared with 48 percent for Vice President Kamala Harris. Four years ago, President Joe Biden carried those voters by 11 percentage points; Hillary Clinton won them by 12 points in 2016 and former president Barack Obama by 22 points in 2012.”

They’re anxious now, the Post said.

Some believed his promise to put them first, but the Republicans around him keep talking about cutting spending and slashing services.

The Post continued: “Trump’s pick for White House budget director was a key architect of Project 2025, a plan drawn up by conservatives to guide his second term that calls for steep cuts to programs such as food stamps. And GOP leaders in Congress and Trump advisers are considering significant changes to Medicaid … and other federal aid.”

Low-income supporters want him to honor his promise.

The Post report isn’t alone. Since the election, I have seen many stories about Trump voters who are now concerned about what Trump is going to do – sick people who fear the repeal of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare); Latinos who fear their families being deported; and now poor people who survive on food stamps but fear them being cut.

If Maga is afraid then they're right where they should be.

Is this the Find Out phase of FAFO? Because it sure seems like it.

Look, I usually feel sympathy for those who are harmed by someone else. Usually. However, if someone asks to be punched in the face and then gets punched in the face, that is all on them.

These people voted for Trump so if a bunch of Latinos that voted for Trump get deported, that is on them. If a bunch of old retirees that voted for Trump see their benefits cut, that is on them. If a bunch of poor people who voted for Trump lose their welfare or other government benefits, that is on them. If a person, who is sick, or has loved ones that is sick, and has subsidized insurance from the exchanges that the ACA started that voted for Trump and now loses access or the policy is changed where now they are harmed, that is on them.

They literally asked for it by voting for him.

If they didn't vote for him but not vote for Harris, so be it. But they actively voted for him.

So here is your crow and eat it. Here is your hat, now eat it.

Any Trump voter that complains about something Trump does WHEN HE EXPLICITLY SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO IT because they thought "Oh, he must be joking. He won't do that." needs to effectively shut up and smile. Because they asked to be punched in the face. So now, take that beating with a smile.

[Poopymonster]

"No, but see... this is a friendly leopard! Just an overgrown kitten, honestly. Never ate a single face, no sir!

It's totally safe, I promise! Why would I, a hyena who feeds on faceless carrion, lie about that?"

If no friend, why friend shaped?
CHECKMATE THINKERS!

[Malkiah]

... Do American voters just not use their ears? Or look 8 years into the past to see Trump doing exacly the above?

several studies have conclusively proven that in reality, white americans will vote to destroy their own lives so long as it means the life of a black person is also destroyed.
reagan told a lie that people on welfare were black, poor white people believed it because they wanted to, and now a plurality of poor whites in america will continually vote to dismantle social assistance programs regardless of the fact that they themselves depend on them to survive because they believe it will hurt racial minorities.

[Odinfrost]

It's not just 8yrs ago...it's every year since the "modern conservative" was codified by Goldwater and Buckley.

I mean, I know that.
But this is the first time in an eternity where the US could elect a former president that wasn't the current president.
So they should know exactly what Trump would do which was: taxcut for rich + cut welfare for anyone *not* rich or corpo.
So how are people so befuddled that Trump continues what he began his last term?

[Shadowferal]

I mean, I know that. But this is the first time in an eternity where the US could elect a former president that wasn't the current president. So they should know exactly what Trump would do which was: taxcut for rich + cut welfare for anyone *not* rich or corpo. So how are people so befuddled that Trump continues what he began his last term?

We can’t overlook the result of the gop's decades long efforts to destroy education and create the uneducated voter. I mean that certainly had to help Trump.

[tehdang]

Four years ago, President Joe Biden carried those voters by 11 percentage points; Hillary Clinton won them by 12 points in 2016 and former president Barack Obama by 22 points in 2012.”

The tag line should be, "Democrats suddenly discover that solid voters for the last 12 years got real ignorant last month."

I think the only real question is whether Democrats, and the left-wing, are being elitist by intention or elitist by accident. The real takeaway from a contingent that voted against Trump in his 2016 victory, but swung towards Trump in 2024, is what Democrats did to alienate them, and what Republicans did to win their vote.

But instead, in so many fora, these voters were proof that Democrats were in touch with the common man in 2012 and 2016 and 2020, and swapped to being ignorant blockheads last month. Again, I wonder, is this by intention? They ought to vote for Democrats to avoid such shaming? Put the poster up in the lobby, "Vote for Us, or you'll see a second round of disparagement!"

[NED funded]

several studies have conclusively proven that in reality, white americans will vote to destroy their own lives so long as it means the life of a black person is also destroyed.
reagan told a lie that people on welfare were black, poor white people believed it because they wanted to, and now a plurality of poor whites in america will continually vote to dismantle social assistance programs regardless of the fact that they themselves depend on them to survive because they believe it will hurt racial minorities.

The GOP governors opposing the expansion of medicaid is the one thing that baffles me. Healthcare is one of if not THE most popular things with americans but the GOP refuses its expansion. Basically money to help their constituents

[Endus]

But instead, in so many fora, these voters were proof that Democrats were in touch with the common man in 2012 and 2016 and 2020, and swapped to being ignorant blockheads last month. Again, I wonder, is this by intention? They ought to vote for Democrats to avoid such shaming? Put the poster up in the lobby, "Vote for Us, or you'll see a second round of disparagement!"

Yes, how dare they be held accountable for their open open and free choices at the ballot box. We all know voters are mindless sheep who don't have any actual free will, right? They just do as their programming says.

You're not a serious person, and your arguments are deeply fucking silly.

[Glorious Leader]

Yes, how dare they be held accountable for their open open and free choices at the ballot box. We all know voters are mindless sheep who don't have any actual free will, right? They just do as their programming says.

You're not a serious person, and your arguments are deeply fucking silly.

How do you propose they be held accountable?

[Gorsameth]

The GOP governors opposing the expansion of medicaid is the one thing that baffles me. Healthcare is one of if not THE most popular things with americans but the GOP refuses its expansion. Basically money to help their constituents

Because it was a Democrat policy, that was literally it.
They refused medicaid expansion so that they could blame it on the ACA and not have Democrats get credit for helping people.

Republican politicians don't want to help people if they don't get the credit for it. Their one and only goal is to 'win' at any cost. It wasn't for nothing that Mitch McConnel stood in front of the cameras and public said the party would do everything in its power to make Obama a 1 term President. He made it very clear it wasn't about the best for the American people.

Party over Country
Every
Single
Time.

[Rasulis]

Of course we know it's all a big lie, H1B visa workers can be paid far less and their entire livelihood revolves around keeping their job which means they have to become yes men and can never question their boss or threaten to quit.

Hilarious how Trump's not even in office but I already get to say "I told you so" to so m any MAGA now that the billionaires they elected are snubbing their own voters.

Companies have abused H-1B visa workers. On the other hand, I personally have a lot of friends who made it out and graduated into Greencard and subsequently citizenship. Quite a few of them have their own companies. Our downstair neighbors are such. Husband got EE/CS degree from Berkeley and MBA from Stanford, and the wife medical degree from Stanford. The husband worked at Google which sponsored him all the way to Greencard, and UCSF did the same for the wife.

My biggest complaints about H-1B visa is that it is lottery base and US graduates also has to follow the same track to get employed in the US. Which created some absurd situations. Such as putting a microbiologist PhD from Yale on the same level playing field as somebody with a 4-year bachelor's degree in CS from University of Mumbai.

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♫ In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the leopard eats tonight... ♫

Trump says H-1B visa program is 'great' amid MAGA feud over tech workers

The leopards feast tonight.

[Endus]

How do you propose they be held accountable?

By . . . holding them to account for the consequences of their actions?

It doesn't mean there has to be any legal penalties or something. It's like if someone's an asshole; you point out that they're an asshole. In this particular case, maybe you don't treat them as someone who has reasoned and well-informed political opinions, and instead they're a gullible knee-jerking reactionary.

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Companies have abused H-1B visa workers.

Yeah; let's be clear that the only reason people like Musk and Ramaswamy and Trump support H-1B visas is because they're a highly exploitable workforce who can be summarily removed from the country and effectively denied due process the moment they become a problem. Don't need to worry about unionization when you can just send your unhappy worker cogs back to Bangladesh or Zambia or wherever, where they won't have the resources to file a wrongful dismissal case against you in an entirely different country.

H-1Bs can be treated as a form of indenture, effectively. Wannabe slavelords love that shit.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

How do you propose they be held accountable?

By having to live with the consequences of their vote.

[Rasulis]

By . . . holding them to account for the consequences of their actions?

It doesn't mean there has to be any legal penalties or something. It's like if someone's an asshole; you point out that they're an asshole. In this particular case, maybe you don't treat them as someone who has reasoned and well-informed political opinions, and instead they're a gullible knee-jerking reactionary.

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Yeah; let's be clear that the only reason people like Musk and Ramaswamy and Trump support H-1B visas is because they're a highly exploitable workforce who can be summarily removed from the country and effectively denied due process the moment they become a problem. Don't need to worry about unionization when you can just send your unhappy worker cogs back to Bangladesh or Zambia or wherever, where they won't have the resources to file a wrongful dismissal case against you in an entirely different country.

H-1Bs can be treated as a form of indenture, effectively. Wannabe slavelords love that shit.

They definitely have less rights and more open to abuse. However, we are not talking about construction workers in UAE here. These people do have the resources to sue. Also, there are tons of labor rights lawyers willing to take employment abuse cases on contingency and sue tech companies for huge settlement sums. Employers also have to pay minimum wage set by the Department of Labor. Not the $18/hour kind of minimum wage.

[Dontrike]

But instead, in so many fora, these voters were proof that Democrats were in touch with the common man in 2012 and 2016 and 2020, and swapped to being ignorant blockheads last month. Again, I wonder, is this by intention? They ought to vote for Democrats to avoid such shaming? Put the poster up in the lobby, "Vote for Us, or you'll see a second round of disparagement!"

Yes, it's dems fault for idiots picking the failed business man for a second time after they had seen how much he fucked with the economy and their lives the first time. If people voted for that then there's nothing democrats could have said that would have actually gotten through to them, since the voters straight up ignored history.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Yes, it's dems fault for idiots picking the failed business man for a second time after they had seen how much he fucked with the economy and their lives the first time. If people voted for that then there's nothing democrats could have said that would have actually gotten through to them, since the voters straight up ignored history.

There's an old saying in Tennessee:

[s_bushido]

what Democrats did to alienate them, and what Republicans did to win their vote

Democrats didn't blatantly lie and prey on their irrational bigotries/fears hard enough. It's clearly a chronic flaw in their strategy.

[Poopymonster]

The GOP governors opposing the expansion of medicaid is the one thing that baffles me. Healthcare is one of if not THE most popular things with americans but the GOP refuses its expansion. Basically money to help their constituents

That money could be used to fuel tax cuts for corporations, to entice companies to move to that state, and to make up the shortfall when expected revenues from having said companies in state come nowhere fucking near what they claimed but they still keep their tax incentives.
Won't you think about those poor tax cuts you monster.

Healthcare isn't a right to the GOP. It's a profit making machine.
Government isn't in the business of making a profit. It provides a service.

[tehdang]

Democrats didn't blatantly lie and prey on their irrational bigotries/fears hard enough. It's clearly a chronic flaw in their strategy.

This still can't be held in good faith. Republicans didn't suddenly get a lot better at preying on poor, innocent voters in 2024, which didn't happen in 2016 (The demographic under consideration went 12 points for Hillary in 2016).

Democrats won't win them back if their attitude remains to excoriate them for spending four straight elections in their camp, and the fifth crossing over.

What I'm reading suggests to me that people think Trump won these people in 2016, instead of losing them by 12 points. Something "chronic" wouldn't materialize in 2 years after having been absent for 12. But maybe these responses should be understood to mean that the writer doesn't actually know what's the cause.