Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[fwc577]

You know why I hate Trump the most? Because his supporters are literally too fucking stupid to insult.

I, unfortunately, live in a deep red area and his supporters like to be assholes and get into it with people on FB for literally no other reason than they’re fucking losers with nothing else going on in their life.

The problem is their insults and rebutted are just so fucking idiotic and low IQ that I cannot even think of a fucking comeback because I know they’re too dumb to get insulted.

I told someone they were a Karen for recording a bad service interaction at a fast food place on a community page.

One of these low IQ knuckle draggers replied to me and told me I “complained like a woman”. Like, lol what? I didn’t even make a complaint.

I just hit the block button these days on these fucking idiots and hope natural selection takes care of them quickly.

[Belize]

on FB

There's a close account button. Take it from someone that hit it a decade ago, it's a great button to use.

[fwc577]

There's a close account button. Take it from someone that hit it a decade ago, it's a great button to use.

Unfortunately, my very lucrative side-hustle requires me to still have an account on there and be on these pages.

[Breccia]

Once again, the NYTimes.

Before the authorities identified the driver as an American citizen and U.S. Army veteran, some early reports suggested the vehicle had come across the border from Mexico. President-elect Donald J. Trump quickly asserted on social media that his condemnations of undocumented immigrants had been validated.

“When I said that the criminals coming in are far worse than the criminals we have in our country, that statement was constantly refuted by Democrats and the Fake News Media, but it turned out to be true,” Mr. Trump said on his website, Truth Social.

There is more, by the way.

“The crime rate in our country is at a level that nobody has ever seen before. Our hearts are with all of the innocent victims and their loved ones, including the brave officers of the New Orleans Police Department. The Trump Administration will fully support the City of New Orleans as they investigate and recover from this act of pure evil!”

Now, I think a reasonable person would take the timing of that post, plus the direct reference to New Orleans, to say that Trump was suggesting the truck driver was "coming in" and not "the criminals we have in our country". Yes, the US born citizen and US military veteran.

So as per usual, I will give all Trump supporters, but I will specifically and directly ask @tehdang and @Somewhatconcerned on this one. Is there another way to interpret what Trump said that, somehow, links with the truth? Was this some random statement about high crime (you'll need to back that statement up by the way) that just so happens to be placed adjacent to the New Orleans reference for...some reason?

You know the rules. 24 hours, or I get to answer for you.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Once again, the NYTimes.



There is more, by the way.



Now, I think a reasonable person would take the timing of that post, plus the direct reference to New Orleans, to say that Trump was suggesting the truck driver was "coming in" and not "the criminals we have in our country". Yes, the US born citizen and US military veteran.

So as per usual, I will give all Trump supporters, but I will specifically and directly ask @tehdang and @Somewhatconcerned on this one. Is there another way to interpret what Trump said that, somehow, links with the truth? Was this some random statement about high crime (you'll need to back that statement up by the way) that just so happens to be placed adjacent to the New Orleans reference for...some reason?

You know the rules. 24 hours, or I get to answer for you.

Yes, Trump and many media outlets were incorrect about the origin of the New Orleans attacker.

But it is also true that many cities are under-reporting their crime statistics and we are likely underestimating the problem.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-new...bi-since-2013/

- - - Updated - - -

Though, it is quite common in people like you to be entirely confident in their wrongness.

Most posters around here have been wrong about most things Trump-related since the Mueller report.

[PhaelixWW]

But it is also true that many cities are under-reporting their crime statistics and we are likely underestimating the problem.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-new...bi-since-2013/

"Many cities" have a computer glitch that under-reports crimes to the FBI by 8%?

Do give us a full list, please. We'll wait.

[Endus]

Yes, Trump and many media outlets were incorrect about the origin of the New Orleans attacker.

But it is also true that many cities are under-reporting their crime statistics and we are likely underestimating the problem.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-new...bi-since-2013/

- - - Updated - - -



Most posters around here have been wrong about most things Trump-related since the Mueller report.

Crime's not at an all-time high. That's just factually untrue.



Property crime and such follow similar trends. There was a small spike during the pandemic this graph doesn't show off well, but that's come back down to normal already. Crime levels spiked to a peak around 1990-91, and have been generally declining ever since, though that decline started to taper off to a stable level around 2010.

That's just the facts. People "feeling" like crime is getting worse are people who aren't dealing with reality and really don't have any basis for thinking this; they've been misled by terrible cop shows and alarmist media and no longer understand what's actually going on.

Anyone pushing "Crime is worse than ever" as an argument is a liar or a willfully ignorant idiot. It's that simple.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Crime's not at an all-time high. That's just factually untrue.



Property crime and such follow similar trends. There was a small spike during the pandemic this graph doesn't show off well, but that's come back down to normal already. Crime levels spiked to a peak around 1990-91, and have been generally declining ever since, though that decline started to taper off to a stable level around 2010.

That's just the facts. People "feeling" like crime is getting worse are people who aren't dealing with reality and really don't have any basis for thinking this; they've been misled by terrible cop shows and alarmist media and no longer understand what's actually going on.

Anyone pushing "Crime is worse than ever" as an argument is a liar or a willfully ignorant idiot. It's that simple.

I never said crime was at an "all time high."

But it is absolutely under reported. It's on you if you want to trust the government and media's spin on this. Anyone taking a victory lap on crime being low is also incorrect.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-med...ve-it-e5b07784

[En Sabah Nur]

Most posters around here have been wrong about most things Trump-related since the Mueller report.

Can you give a few examples of what people here have been wrong about, specifically since the Mueller report? And since you mention it, are you one of those people that think the report didn't prove anything, or that it didn't get back millions more than it cost to actually investigate?

[Breccia]

Yes, Trump and many media outlets were incorrect about the origin of the New Orleans attacker.

Ooo, an answer! There's a first time for everything.

By the way, you may have noticed I didn't tell the entire story. Just minutes before Trump's post, FOX News reported that the truck used had crossed over from Mexico two days prior.

FOX News said nothing about the driver, of course, because they didn't have $800 million to spend on a lie this time. And to their credit, they did retract that story publicly when they found out their mistake an hour later.

So, when you say "Trump was incorrect" I believe you're saying that Trump saw something on FOX News, didn't just assume it was true but made a leap in logic based on it, and made a large blanket statement about crime based on this...and he has yet to retract it. Feel free to read his posts yourself, he has yet to admit he was wrong about the US born citizen and US military veteran.

So, you are admitting you voted for an easily-misled reactionary who refused to admit he made a mistake. And you know that, by how quickly you pivoted to crime stats that are, let's face it, useless to your point. The crime rate in our country is, in fact, still low.

I will also point out you did not address the issue of gas prices, probably because you have no answer to that, probably because you were making shit up.

There was never going to be a good ending for you this time. But let me leave you with the words that, because you did not address them, you must believe are appropriate for civil and polite discourse: rot in Hell.

[Endus]

I never said crime was at an "all time high."

But it is absolutely under reported. It's on you if you want to trust the government and media's spin on this. Anyone taking a victory lap on crime being low is also incorrect.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-med...ve-it-e5b07784

You're really gonna have to do better than fact-averse opinion pieces.

Sure, US crime is not "low" by Western standards, but relative to its own living history, it's much lower than it was 35 years ago. It's not getting worse. Reporting issues have always been present.

What you're pushing is fearmongering that has no basis in actual reality. It's all based on feels that are predicated on propaganda and shitty TV, not actual data. And until you provide actual data, you're not going to convince people, because it's all just a story you're telling without anything to back it up. And no, cherry-picking one city's administrative issues and another opinion piece do not count as "data".

[Breccia]

I never said crime was at an "all time high."

This is correct.

Trump did. I threw that statement in your face. You responded with...whatever that was. Meaning, you don't have a defense for that either, and are throwing random shit at the wall hoping it sticks.

You can't defend Trump. You are supporting someone you can't defend.

[En Sabah Nur]

So, you are admitting you voted for

Woah, hey, hold on! He didn't vote for anyone... he just spends all his posts here gloating that one side won and another side lost ("for a generation," no less). He's not partisan at all!

[PhaelixWW]

I never said crime was at an "all time high."

But it is absolutely under reported. It's on you if you want to trust the government and media's spin on this. Anyone taking a victory lap on crime being low is also incorrect.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-med...ve-it-e5b07784

Nice try.

The NCVS agrees with the FBI on the whole.



What a spectacularly failed argument, there.

[Breccia]

Anyone taking a victory lap on crime being low is also incorrect.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-med...ve-it-e5b07784

This statement is not backed by this post. Your article, which might I add is an opinion piece, is about whether or not crime is going up or down. It does not reference whether the crime rate is high or low.

Please find an article showing the crime rate not being low. You wouldn't want to be called an insincere poster, would you?

[Kaleredar]

You know why I hate Trump the most? Because his supporters are literally too fucking stupid to insult.

I, unfortunately, live in a deep red area and his supporters like to be assholes and get into it with people on FB for literally no other reason than they’re fucking losers with nothing else going on in their life.

The problem is their insults and rebutted are just so fucking idiotic and low IQ that I cannot even think of a fucking comeback because I know they’re too dumb to get insulted.

I told someone they were a Karen for recording a bad service interaction at a fast food place on a community page.

One of these low IQ knuckle draggers replied to me and told me I “complained like a woman”. Like, lol what? I didn’t even make a complaint.

I just hit the block button these days on these fucking idiots and hope natural selection takes care of them quickly.

I saw a comedian that proffered that you need to out-stupid them, not try and outsmart them.

His example was that some MAGA chud was complaining about abortion. To which the comedian responded “yeah that’s why I love the gays, they never get abortions.” Which apparently just sort of broke the MAGAt’s brain.

[Doomcookie]

Your political party was just rendered useless for a generation and you're talking about being stuck in the past?

You said that twice before, in 2020 and 2022.

You are lying for a rapist.

- - - Updated - - -

Yes, Trump and many media outlets were incorrect about the origin of the New Orleans attacker.

But it is also true that many cities are under-reporting their crime statistics and we are likely underestimating the problem.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-new...bi-since-2013/

- - - Updated - - -



Most posters around here have been wrong about most things Trump-related since the Mueller report.

so, you're saying he lied.

You're also saying you support his lies?

- - - Updated - - -

I never said crime was at an "all time high."

But it is absolutely under reported. It's on you if you want to trust the government and media's spin on this. Anyone taking a victory lap on crime being low is also incorrect.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-med...ve-it-e5b07784

Are you saying Trump's administration was lying about crime rates?

Why do you keep defending liars?

[fwc577]

I saw a comedian that proffered that you need to out-stupid them, not try and outsmart them.

His example was that some MAGA chud was complaining about abortion. To which the comedian responded “yeah that’s why I love the gays, they never get abortions.” Which apparently just sort of broke the MAGAt’s brain.

This is genius. I will have to see if I can re-train my brain to think of comebacks like this.

[Ripster42]

Most posters around here have been wrong about most things Trump-related since the Mueller report.

Not many posters around here read the mueller report, where the report said the evidence shouldn't lead one to think that the mango was innocent. First 20 pages. Not hard to get through that much clown.

[Edge-]

Nice try.

The NCVS agrees with the FBI on the whole.



What a spectacularly failed argument, there.

Basically, we're still here.