Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

As for the FD running out of water to fight the fires at Pacific Palisades, the article below provides succinct explanations on why that happened. Bottom line, LA Water and Power pumping capacity could not keep up with demand which increased to 4 times above normal. Old infrastructures going back 80 years or more did not help.

In the Palisades Fire, LA DWP’s 3 huge water tanks all ran out of water
LADWP chief Janisse Quiñones says the water system has been pushed to the extreme

Sounds like some infrastructure that needs additional investment to modernize.

[PhaelixWW]

What the fuck Florida, why do you flood all the time? Why do you get battered by hurricanes? Fix your shit, Florida.

Didn't you hear? It's the Democrats' fault for steering hurricanes to Florida with science.

[Elder Millennial]

The entire basis for all this is that California's north has an abundance of water, and the delta smelt hindered California's ability to pump more water into the aqueduct that goes south. The aqueduct does not simply supply farmers.

Except none of that has anything to do with anything whatsoever and you are either lying or a you a moron.

I'll let you pick which one.

[tehdang]

Diamond Valley Reservoir, the largest reservoir in Southern California, is currently at 97% capacity.

https://cdec.water.ca.gov/resapp/ResDetail?resid=DMV

The same goes for all other Southern California reservoirs.

The problem is not lack of water. It has never been about the water. The problems are Santa Ana wind with 100 mph gusts, dry hilly chaparral environment, dry winter and homes built adjacent to deep canyons. The firefighting airplanes are not on the air because it is unsafe for them to fly into the canyons under the current high wind conditions.

Cool, but please help me understand how this impacts

Pumping more of California's VERY limited water supply to SoCal Alfalfa farmers

Do you think he's right for saying it?

I haven't heard anything more about reports on the lack of water from hydrants, etc.

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Cool, but please help me understand how this impacts

Do you think he's right for saying it?

I haven't heard anything more about reports on the lack of water from hydrants, etc.

Except none of that has anything to do with anything whatsoever and you are either lying or a you a moron.

I'll let you pick which one.

It should be incorporated into your knowledge base when you talk about "California's VERY limited water supply" and either California's farmers, or "the drought."

[Edge-]

Do you think he's right for saying it?

I haven't heard anything more about reports on the lack of water from hydrants, etc.

Is he right? This seems like the kind of thing you'd be able to answer via some web searching yourself rather than soliciting opinions from others that you can dismiss.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Sounds like some infrastructure that needs additional investment to modernize.

Yes. Where does all that CA tax money go? What an abject failure.

https://x.com/AstorAaron/status/1877064059087949984

[Rasulis]

Cool, but please help me understand how this impacts

Do you think he's right for saying it?

I haven't heard anything more about reports on the lack of water from hydrants, etc.

Not sure what the delta smelt has to do with the Southern California fires.

As for the Central Valley farmers, since 2022, they have been getting all the water that they asked for and more. They have been getting so much water that for the first time in decades, the ground water in Central Valley went up by 5 feet or more. The story may change if another prolonged drought hit the state. For now, they have all the water that they want.

[gondrin]

Didn't you hear? It's the Democrats' fault for steering hurricanes to Florida with science.

Nah, just gotta nuke those Hurricanes?

What is that? A hurricane outputs as much energy in 1 minute as a 25 megaton nuke? It does this every single minute? And this is for the average hurricane?

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Yes. Where does all that CA tax money go? What an abject failure.

https://x.com/AstorAaron/status/1877064059087949984

It goes to poorer states that typically vote Republican. Like a lot of the blue states, they tend to pay out more so that the poorer states can get a handout.

[Shadowferal]

Yes. Where does all that CA tax money go? What an abject failure.

I see you're the result of the gop's decades long efforts to destroy education.

[Rasulis]

Yes. Where does all that CA tax money go? What an abject failure.

https://x.com/AstorAaron/status/1877064059087949984

Pacific Palisades is a low population density neighborhood. Basically, a bunch of $8M - $10M homes. Even some $30M homes. Pretty low water demand under normal circumstances. The 60 - 80 years old water delivery system is simply not designed for over 100 fire engines pumping 300 - 1,000 gpm during once in a lifetime wildfire event.

[Edge-]

Pacific Palisades is a low population density neighborhood. Basically, a bunch of $8M - $10M homes. Even some $30M homes. Pretty low water demand under normal circumstances. The 60 - 80 years old water delivery system is simply not designed for over 100 fire engines pumping 300 - 1,000 gpm during once in a lifetime wildfire event.

Gosh, when you actually like, point out the facts then it doesn't seem remotely outrageous and like it's just a bad situation.

Florida really needs to plan better to not be so severely damaged by hurricanes, after all. Don't they know their whole state is in hurricane territory?

[PhaelixWW]

Florida really needs to plan better to not be so severely damaged by hurricanes, after all. Don't they know their whole state is in hurricane territory?

Can't they just build their homes better or something?

[Belize]

Gosh, when you actually like, point out the facts then it doesn't seem remotely outrageous and like it's just a bad situation.

Florida really needs to plan better to not be so severely damaged by hurricanes, after all. Don't they know their whole state is in hurricane territory?

If only we'd nuke the hurricanes, this wouldn't be a problem!

[tehdang]

Not sure what the delta smelt has to do with the Southern California fires.

As for the Central Valley farmers, since 2022, they have been getting all the water that they asked for and more. They have been getting so much water that for the first time in decades, the ground water in Central Valley went up by 5 feet or more. The story may change if another prolonged drought hit the state. For now, they have all the water that they want.

In answering a question about whether or not Trump had some nub of a truth, he said something that fundamentally misunderstands a problem that California has. From how you phrased this post, I think you fully understand the misunderstanding that happened.

Is he right? This seems like the kind of thing you'd be able to answer via some web searching yourself rather than soliciting opinions from others that you can dismiss.

Discussion in a forum and pointing out where you think somebody's wrong is natural. Maybe he meant that by reference so some other thing, and I was misunderstanding him.

I don't really know how to interpret "that you can dismiss." Other than maybe a generalized accusation of bad faith. I read more than I specifically reply to, and that shouldn't be taken as dismissing the thing.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Sounds like some infrastructure that needs additional investment to modernize.

This sounds like a job for "infrastructure week"

[Edge-]

This sounds like a job for "infrastructure week"

It's a shame it took four years and a Democratic president/Congress for us to finally get to infrastructure week.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

It's a shame it took four years and a Democratic president/Congress for us to finally get to infrastructure week.

If Trump didn't continuously fuck up his own infrastructure weeks...Biden would never have been able to actually do infrastructure week!

Checkmate Libs! Get Cucked Again!

[Elder Millennial]

In answering a question about whether or not Trump had some nub of a truth, he said something that fundamentally misunderstands a problem that California has. From how you phrased this post, I think you fully understand the misunderstanding that happened.

SoCal farmers having sufficient water for current cultivation has nothing to do with the fact that California has A VERY LIMITED WATER SUPPLY. California's water supply is very dependent on seasonal rainfalls and careful water management.

1. Trump never had a water management plan for California. He just made some vague fucktarded statements to align himself with farmers who were demanding access to the limited water supplies during a specifically bad drought period to continue growing water use intensive crops, environmental damage be damned.

2. The reason why there's no water shortage right now is BECAUSE California ignored the temper tantrums and instead in cooperation with the federal government implemented new water management measures COMBINED with getting actual rainfall. So right now the farmers have their water and the delta hasn't been turned into a swamp.

3. At no point has anyone discussed in the past piping down water so you could fucking soak the LA hills. Like what?

So just like Trump you are either lying or you are moron. Again which?

[tehdang]

SoCal farmers having sufficient water for current cultivation has nothing to do with the fact that California has A VERY LIMITED WATER SUPPLY. California's water supply is very dependent on seasonal rainfalls and careful water management.

As some other posters pointed out, I'm getting a little far afield from the wildfires problem into the more general California farmers and periodic California drought problem. If you're on board with that, then fine. It will cross into territory that EdgE might say "just tell him to google it."

Southern California has a remarkably different water situation from Northern California. The north does not have the "A VERY LIMITED WATER SUPPLY" in comparison to the south. They have a relative abundance. When the periodic droughts come, the south of California is particularly affected. That's when it matters to pump the water from the north into the south. The delta smelt was the cause of an issue in the past, where its endangerment affected the supply of water from north to south. Many Californians were pissed off about it.

Not today's problem, but something you should know about if you're intent on making no distinctions about California and "A VERY LIMITED WATER SUPPLY."

1. Trump never had a water management plan for California. He just made some vague fucktarded statements to align himself with farmers who were demanding access to the limited water supplies during a specifically bad drought period to continue growing water use intensive crops, environmental damage be damned.

2. The reason why there's no water shortage right now is BECAUSE California ignored the temper tantrums and instead in cooperation with the federal government implemented new water management measures COMBINED with getting actual rainfall. So right now the farmers have their water and the delta hasn't been turned into a swamp.

3. At no point has anyone discussed in the past piping down water so you could fucking soak the LA hills. Like what?

So just like Trump you are either lying or you are moron. Again which?

Farmers did have a valid gripe in the past. If Trump was both educated knowledgeable and truthful, he'd provide that context and he could make a true critique in that area. Your point (1) is about the protection of a threatened tiny fish that restricted the flow of water from abundance to need. Farmers can absolutely say that the state has the obligation to supply them with the water, and the state's current approach towards endangered species at the source needs reform.

For (2), the reason there's no water shortage right now is the rainfall and snowpack.

For (3), I might be with EdgE here and direct you towards googling the LA Aqueduct, and recall that nowhere did I recommend "soak the LA hills." Just recall that there's a basic logic in moving water between water-rich and water-scarce areas that might tick people off the next time we're in a drought.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Gosh, when you actually like, point out the facts then it doesn't seem remotely outrageous and like it's just a bad situation.

Florida really needs to plan better to not be so severely damaged by hurricanes, after all. Don't they know their whole state is in hurricane territory?

Nothing Florida can do about hurricanes. But they always seem to respond competently.

CA doesn't even support the infrastructure to deliver water to hydrants. Like LOL.