Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

Trump says he’ll create ‘External Revenue Service’ to collect tariffs, foreign revenue

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/14/trum...-tariffs-.html

The External Revenue Service to collect tariffs and other revenues

That's not what a tariff is and good luck rofl. So much for "small government" lol.

[gondrin]

The most appropriate response is that the Federal Government is NOT required to help a state do its job.

Tell that to Bush and Trump. They both signed billions of dollars in relief during their administrations.

If you're going to criticize Republican congressmen for hinting at conditions on how the aid is spent, then you should include Democratic governors and legislators appropriating money to conduct lawfare against Republicans.

I'm glad that "Trump-proofing" is a policy goal you agree with, but maybe follow that with "wasteful spending/misallocation proofing" policy goal. I don't think you're engaging in a good faith analysis for political fights. If Democrats can travel from Los Angeles to Sacramento after the fires and approve millions to do combat with their rival, certainly the said rival can seek provisions for the money to be spent well and support real prevention.

"Democrats go to Sacramento to spend tens of millions fighting Trump" and "Democrats are demanding to receive $$ from Trump without conditions relating to forestry management, other problems." I also can phrase things in my own words, just like you.

No, I stand by my statement. You seem to forget that the actual States themselves are actual sovereign entities. They are not bound to help out the federal government nor any other state do its job. If the feds want to go into a state and try and deport people, they can do it with their own personnel and their own resources. Otherwise, all it is, is force conscription. And the last time I checked, there is no such thing as force conscription that deals with matters of domestic policy.

[Trumpwonumad]

That's not what a tariff is and good luck rofl. So much for "small government" lol.

The importer pays the tariff. I know you did not read it but comon man U.S. Customs and Border Protection currently is responsible for collecting tariffs. looks like that will be Switched over to the ERS

[Rasulis]

Trump says he’ll create ‘External Revenue Service’ to collect tariffs, foreign revenue

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/14/trum...-tariffs-.html

Don't we have CBP doing that already?

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The importer pays the tariff. I know you did not read it but comon man U.S. Customs and Border Protection currently is responsible for collecting tariffs. looks like that will be Switched over to the ERS

Why are we reinventing the wheel?

[Trumpwonumad]

Don't we have CBP doing that already?

Currently yes, Looks like they are about to beef up the tariffs

[gondrin]

Trump says he’ll create ‘External Revenue Service’ to collect tariffs, foreign revenue

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/14/trum...-tariffs-.html

A tariff is not foreign revenue. It is a tax that is paid for by the person importing it. Also, Trump CANNOT CREATE ANY AGENCIES. Only Congress can. DoGE will NEVER be an official government agency. This new one will never be a real government agency.

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Currently yes, Looks like they are about to beef up the tariffs

And I bet you will be glad to pay more for everything from electronics to durable goods and the like.

[Trumpwonumad]

and I bet you will be glad to pay more for everything from electronics to durable goods and the like.

Make it in America problem solved, Stop importing every damn thing

[Edge-]

The importer pays the tariff. I know you did not read it but comon man U.S. Customs and Border Protection currently is responsible for collecting tariffs. looks like that will be Switched over to the ERS

But those companies are American. Thus, internal. We already have an Internal Revenue Service for that, one that Republicans keep trying to defund.

Really, the only important bit of the news story -

Trump did not give any more details about the proposed government entity.

[Endus]

Make it in America problem solved, Stop importing every damn thing

You sure support prices being higher for Americans for some reason. I thought high prices were a problem?

[Rasulis]

Make it in America problem solved, Stop importing every damn thing

Our unemployment rate is 4.1%. For men 19 or older it is 3.7%. Labor participation is 62.5%. For men 19 or older it is 70.2%. Unless we want to start using child labor and forcing retirees and housewives to go back into the work force, we simply do not have enough workers to make everything in the US.

[gondrin]

Make it in America problem solved, Stop importing every damn thing

Thing is, there is a LOT of stuff that cannot be made in America.

You know silicon chips? The stuff that pretty much makes up every computer device on the planet? Well, the materials to make it are not in any form of abundance within the US. That stuff HAS to be imported. The US has a lot of stuff but Rare Earth Minerals, the stuff that helps make silicon turn into actual CPUs, is not one of them.

Then there is coffee. While the US can grow coffee, it cannot grow enough to deal with the amount consumed. Same goes with Taquilla. The actual plant that is used to make Taquilla is only grown in Central America. It cannot be grown in the US.

The thing is, unless you are willing to sacrifice quality of life, you are importing a lot of stuff. As a lot of raw materials either cannot be produced in amounts necessary to produce the amount needed or are just not simply there.

[Rasulis]

Thing is, there is a LOT of stuff that cannot be made in America.

You know silicon chips? The stuff that pretty much makes up every computer device on the planet? Well, the materials to make it are not in any form of abundance within the US. That stuff HAS to be imported. The US has a lot of stuff but Rare Earth Minerals, the stuff that helps make silicon turn into actual CPUs, is not one of them.

Then there is coffee. While the US can grow coffee, it cannot grow enough to deal with the amount consumed. Same goes with Taquilla. The actual plant that is used to make Taquilla is only grown in Central America. It cannot be grown in the US.

The thing is, unless you are willing to sacrifice quality of life, you are importing a lot of stuff. As a lot of raw materials either cannot be produced in amounts necessary to produce the amount needed or are just not simply there.

Minor correction. Farmers in CA are growing agave now.

Welcome to Mezcalifornia: Inside California’s Agave Boom

They are still experimenting with the distillation process. However, in about a decade CA tequila could match the quality of CA wine.

With typical California hubris, Wasson even name-checks the Judgment of Paris in 1976, the infamous moment when a California wine bested a French favorite in competition. “I look back at my history, [when people were told] no one can make world-class wine in California; no one goes to California to drink wine,” he says.

[Doomcookie]

Democrat's hallmark of playing politics.

$50 million appropriated by California Democrats to fight Trump

I'm sure that fellow-travelers of the Democrats in this forum will condemn such a divisive effort in a time where they are criticizing the potential of attaching strings to relief money. After all, this is playing politics in the wake of a disaster. I'm sure that the money can be better spent to help the state's struggling citizens instead of picking fights with an administration that hasn't even taken office yet.

A smarter politician would've canceled the lawfare and political messaging campaign to show the country that they are ready to come together with Congressional Republicans and Trump to discuss aid. Sadly, I think this is the more typical response to tragedy. Full speed ahead on political fighting, and hope that the rest of the country only notices the other sides' efforts.

Just as soon as you explain why you lied for multiple rapists.

It will happen soon...

Let's not forget, you never once condemned Trump for trying to overthrow the government, or threatening to imprison innocent people.

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Democrats continued the special session, despite recent disastrous fires, to appropriate tens of millions of dollars to fight Trump.

Let me quote from Rasulis's post:



and mine



I'm sure you gather that continuing to spend millions dedicated to political warfare against Trump is an act of political division, just like if Republicans put an absolute ton of strings on disaster relief and how it's spent. Maybe you have thoughts on that, but I won't know if you don't write something.

You literally supported Trump doing this, meaning you are fucking lying.

[Belize]

Make it in America problem solved, Stop importing every damn thing

Where do you get the labor force to make everything in America

[Doomcookie]

The most appropriate response is that the Federal Government is NOT required to help a state do its job.

Tell that to Bush and Trump. They both signed billions of dollars in relief during their administrations.

If you're going to criticize Republican congressmen for hinting at conditions on how the aid is spent, then you should include Democratic governors and legislators appropriating money to conduct lawfare against Republicans.

I'm glad that "Trump-proofing" is a policy goal you agree with, but maybe follow that with "wasteful spending/misallocation proofing" policy goal. I don't think you're engaging in a good faith analysis for political fights. If Democrats can travel from Los Angeles to Sacramento after the fires and approve millions to do combat with their rival, certainly the said rival can seek provisions for the money to be spent well and support real prevention.

"Democrats go to Sacramento to spend tens of millions fighting Trump" and "Democrats are demanding to receive $$ from Trump without conditions relating to forestry management, other problems." I also can phrase things in my own words, just like you.

We're telling it to you, and you have not once even addressed why you lied.

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Trump says he’ll create ‘External Revenue Service’ to collect tariffs, foreign revenue

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/14/trum...-tariffs-.html

So, you are admitting your entire schtick is a lie.

That's a pretty weird take.

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The importer pays the tariff. I know you did not read it but comon man U.S. Customs and Border Protection currently is responsible for collecting tariffs. looks like that will be Switched over to the ERS

So, you and Trump lied about "less government."
That's a lot of lies, dude.

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Currently yes, Looks like they are about to beef up the tariffs

Just to be clear, that means you and Trump were lying all along.

[Captain N]

Where do you get the labor force to make everything in America

Let me tell you about a time in the USA before the 1860s....

[Doomcookie]

Make it in America problem solved, Stop importing every damn thing

So, you are a socialist?

It keeps getting weirder in Trumptopia.

[Trumpwonumad]

Let me tell you about a time in the USA before the 1860s....

I was thinking prior to 1980

[Belize]

I was thinking prior to 1980

Can you answer my question?

[Ivanstone]

Tell that to Bush and Trump. They both signed billions of dollars in relief during their administrations.

And how much fighting over the costs were there? Lots.

A Dem will cheerfully fund disaster relief. The GOP will either complain that it’s not going strictly to their own state OR will complain that it’s going to a blue state OR complain about how it’s a waste of tax payer money and everyone just needs some bootstraps.