Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

Not equal per se, but they should be talked about as politically divisive actions in the wake of a tragedy. California Democrats clearly don't care about the political optics of fighting the federal government with tens of millions of dollars of budgeted money, and then questioning even the political discussion of how that same Federal government might appropriate hundreds of millions or billions back into California's coffers.

That right there is the whole game. It's clutched pearls. It's fainting over the salad fork being on the right side of the plate rather than the rancid, maggot infested meat on the plate in front of you.

It's about the optics of it. Not whether or not multiple things can happen simultaneously or that Democrats in the White House have worked with uncooperative and combative Republican state governors without talking conditions for said aid, the actual content, the meat and potatoes. It's about the salad fork.

[tehdang]

The GOP withholds disaster relief as a standard operating procedure.

I'm glad that other guy yielded that this is entirely untrue. See that previous post, since I have nothing to add.

Are you salty that the GOP are withholding relief from your home state?

This is an obviously troll attempt to characterize comments Mike Johnson made in a hallway. Are you aware that the majority leader speaking with reporters in a walking interview is not the same thing as a vote taken in the house chamber? Let's just see if that difference is apparent to you, so I can better know what you mean about "withholding relief."

That right there is the whole game. It's clutched pearls. It's fainting over the salad fork being on the right side of the plate rather than the rancid, maggot infested meat on the plate in front of you.

It's about the optics of it. Not whether or not multiple things can happen simultaneously or that Democrats in the White House have worked with uncooperative and combative Republican state governors without talking conditions for said aid, the actual content, the meat and potatoes. It's about the salad fork.

You're free to call it what you wish, but I will call it bad politics and a move that will ultimately hurt California Democrats in their attempts to influence national legislation.

I'd say the same thing if DeSantis had completed a "Biden-proof our state" special legislative meeting after the hurricanes, and Florida Republicans complained about prospective conditions on aid he favored. But then I'm guessing you would agree with me in that case.

[gondrin]

I'm glad that we're in basic agreement on this broad point, and I'm understanding it as a broad point.

Not equal per se, but they should be talked about as politically divisive actions in the wake of a tragedy. California Democrats clearly don't care about the political optics of fighting the federal government with tens of millions of dollars of budgeted money, and then questioning even the political discussion of how that same Federal government might appropriate hundreds of millions or billions back into California's coffers.

The problem is, Trump and his administration have already came out and said that any state official that refuses to help is guilty of a crime. Not harboring. Not hiding people. Refusing to help. Nobody in the US, not in any state or on the federal level, can be compelled to help with solving any crime or help a victim during a crime. There is no law stating otherwise. That is what California is trying to prevent. Part of the funding is going to go to people to help them with their court cases if they get captured. Part of the funding is probably going to go to lawsuits to try and prove the law is unconstitutional.

The only laws on the book are ones that deal with helping someone in trouble and absolving the person helping with any liability if the person got injured while being helped.

[Edge-]

I'm glad that other guy yielded that this is entirely untrue. See that previous post, since I have nothing to add.

Casual reminder Donald actually set the precedent of denying disaster aid based on party affiliation early in his first term: https://governor.nc.gov/news/governo...rn-nc-after-99

[gondrin]

That right there is the whole game. It's clutched pearls. It's fainting over the salad fork being on the right side of the plate rather than the rancid, maggot infested meat on the plate in front of you.

It's about the optics of it. Not whether or not multiple things can happen simultaneously or that Democrats in the White House have worked with uncooperative and combative Republican state governors without talking conditions for said aid, the actual content, the meat and potatoes. It's about the salad fork.

Honestly, it has already started. Saw an AI post on Facebook from people I know basically saying "What about Western NC?" when they got hammered during the hurricanes and tons of homes were lost. Had to point out that $1.8 billion has already been allocated for Western NC. I didn't see Biden or any other democrat saying "Well, to get this, you must jump through these hoops.". It is just, here you go NC, do with it what you can.

[Endus]

I'm glad that other guy yielded that this is entirely untrue. See that previous post, since I have nothing to add.

This is an obviously troll attempt to characterize comments Mike Johnson made in a hallway. Are you aware that the majority leader speaking with reporters in a walking interview is not the same thing as a vote taken in the house chamber? Let's just see if that difference is apparent to you, so I can better know what you mean about "withholding relief."

"You shouldn't believe anything Republican politicians tell the public" is sure as hell a take, from a staunch Republican supporter.

[tehdang]

The problem is, Trump and his administration have already came out and said that any state official that refuses to help is guilty of a crime. Not harboring. Not hiding people. Refusing to help. Nobody in the US, not in any state or on the federal level, can be compelled to help with solving any crime or help a victim during a crime. There is no law stating otherwise. That is what California is trying to prevent. Part of the funding is going to go to people to help them with their court cases if they get captured. Part of the funding is probably going to go to lawsuits to try and prove the law is unconstitutional.

The only laws on the book are ones that deal with helping someone in trouble and absolving the person helping with any liability if the person got injured while being helped.

We'll see what actually happens with that, but you'd be right to criticize Trump in the context of finding broad state liability in attempts to compel state resources.

[gondrin]

So, according to MTG, I guess nobody understands English. Because I guess, according to her, the term "Day One" doesn't actually mean on the first day.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ac47b255&ei=12

Marjorie Taylor Greene walks back Trump promise with snippy remark: 'Understand language!'

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Green (R-GA) walked back one of Donald Trump's many Day One promises with a condescending remark.

The president-elect made an attention-grabbing promise during a May 2023 town hall to "settle" the Russian-Ukraine war within "24 hours" of taking office, which was actually his campaign's most consistent promise, but the Georgia Republican told NOTUS the media had simply gotten that oft-stated position wrong.

“I think you need to understand language,” Greene said, "and everyone else in America understands that language.”

“I don’t think the media pressing Day One is specifically ‘Day One,’” she added. “But he’s talking about that as one of his first roles as president, and there are many. He’s going to be writing hundreds of executive orders but, yes, ending that war is important.”

Greene then said it would be "useless" for reporters to try to “hold president Trump’s feet to the fire."

"President Trump will be the one that ends that war where the Democrats and Joe Biden fail,” Greene said.

The president-elect has spoken by phone with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy since the November election, and Russian president Vladimir Putin said he was "open" to a meeting with Trump, but his own special envoy to Ukraine and Russia, retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg, admits a Jan. 20 settlement as unlikely.

“Let’s set it at 100 days,” Kellogg said, "and move all the way back and figure a way we can do this in the near term to make sure that the solution is solid, it’s sustainable and that this war ends so that we stop the carnage.”

Trump transition spokesperson Karoline Leavitt, who will be White House press secretary, said that Trump has “repeatedly stated that a top priority in his second term will be to quickly negotiate a peaceful resolution to the Russia-Ukraine war.”

“He will do what is necessary to restore peace and rebuild American strength and deterrence on the world stage,” she said.

House speaker Mike Johnson also would not commit to Trump ending the conflict on Day One, but said his return to the presidency would be a "game changer," and other Republicans seemed to agree that his presence in the White House would shock Putin into winding down his invasion.

“We have a weak, beta male, passive president,” Rep. Eric Burlison (R-MO), referring to president Joe Biden. “Trump is going to come in. He can’t be pushed around. I think that Putin understands that and respects that. He has to respect that.”

So MTG, why shouldn't we hold his feet to the fire? He made these claims. He should be held to these claims. Also, Burlison, Trump literally crumbles if you fan any sort of praise on him. He literally will do what you ask if you claim he is the best. He is literally the most pushable around President that there is.

[Edge-]

So, according to MTG, I guess nobody understands English. Because I guess, according to her, the term "Day One" doesn't actually mean on the first day.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ac47b255&ei=12



So MTG, why shouldn't we hold his feet to the fire? He made these claims. He should be held to these claims. Also, Burlison, Trump literally crumbles if you fan any sort of praise on him. He literally will do what you ask if you claim he is the best. He is literally the most pushable around President that there is.

Republicans don't understand basic English and want to redefine every word to mean whatever they want?

Well if it isn't a day that ends in Y.

[gondrin]

Republicans don't understand basic English and want to redefine every word to mean whatever they want?

Well if it isn't a day that ends in Y.

I mean, the Ohio Supreme Court sure did that with the term "boneless". They determined that "boneless" does in fact mean it may contain bones.

[Doomcookie]

I love how A vocal minority has a temper tantrum they lost in 2024, Sorry the American people spoke. The democraps should really reflect, rethink & take accountability Stop putting up candidates that are highly unpopular and disliked or Lose in 2028. Seeing how the American people are being blamed for the failures of the Democraps I expect we will keep seeing the same A vocal minority upset when they lose in 2028

You mean like literally trying to overthrow the government?

Yeah...

[NED funded]

So, according to MTG, I guess nobody understands English. Because I guess, according to her, the term "Day One" doesn't actually mean on the first day.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ac47b255&ei=12



So MTG, why shouldn't we hold his feet to the fire? He made these claims. He should be held to these claims. Also, Burlison, Trump literally crumbles if you fan any sort of praise on him. He literally will do what you ask if you claim he is the best. He is literally the most pushable around President that there is.

Its going to be fun to see Trump and the Republican party justify his failure to materialize the many campaign promises he made. Its like how a wall would be built and mexico would pay for it, to a fence in specific places and entirely paid by the US and now its basically become a symbol for border control not something that is phyisical.

The Ukraine thing always struck me as a weird thing to campaign on with such confidence bc there isnt even a consensus among the Republican party about it.

[Doomcookie]

No insurrection attempt ever happened. Terms like 'insurrection' or 'attempting to overthrow' have precise juridical contents, and while allegations or events have been widely debated, accountability needs due process and evidence established in court.

To these actions, like questioning the election outcome or calling on officials, they are not entirely unprecedented in their nature in the U.S., since candidates of both parties have risen to protest the result or ask for recounts.

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The Truth or different opinions are now being called misinformation, disinformation and/or Trolling. I am not a republican or Democrap as I said before but Trump was the better choice.

You are lying.

You know you are lying, and admitted you are lying.

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I'm glad that we're in basic agreement on this broad point, and I'm understanding it as a broad point.

Not equal per se, but they should be talked about as politically divisive actions in the wake of a tragedy. California Democrats clearly don't care about the political optics of fighting the federal government with tens of millions of dollars of budgeted money, and then questioning even the political discussion of how that same Federal government might appropriate hundreds of millions or billions back into California's coffers.

You support an attempted coup.

Stop bitching about divisive actions.

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I'm glad that other guy yielded that this is entirely untrue. See that previous post, since I have nothing to add.

This is an obviously troll attempt to characterize comments Mike Johnson made in a hallway. Are you aware that the majority leader speaking with reporters in a walking interview is not the same thing as a vote taken in the house chamber? Let's just see if that difference is apparent to you, so I can better know what you mean about "withholding relief."

You're free to call it what you wish, but I will call it bad politics and a move that will ultimately hurt California Democrats in their attempts to influence national legislation.

I'd say the same thing if DeSantis had completed a "Biden-proof our state" special legislative meeting after the hurricanes, and Florida Republicans complained about prospective conditions on aid he favored. But then I'm guessing you would agree with me in that case.

Are you saying yet another Trump supporter was just lying?

Let us know when you are not lying, to make it easier. If you do not specifically annotate it, it will be taken as an assumed lie.

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We'll see what actually happens with that, but you'd be right to criticize Trump in the context of finding broad state liability in attempts to compel state resources.

Then, why did you support it?

[Jastall]

Its going to be fun to see Trump and the Republican party justify his failure to materialize the many campaign promises he made. Its like how a wall would be built and mexico would pay for it, to a fence in specific places and entirely paid by the US and now its basically become a symbol for border control not something that is phyisical.

The Ukraine thing always struck me as a weird thing to campaign on with such confidence bc there isnt even a consensus among the Republican party about it.

But the libs are mad about what he said. That's far more important to the bulk of his voters than what he actually says or promises, and as we've seen the MAGA cultists in particular have no trouble wrapping the entire English language so that Trump is always right.

Said voters also won't punish the numerous broken promises, given that Trump is allowed to pile bullshit upon bullshit and it'll variously be justified by him "telling it like it is" or "saying what people actually think" or "well he didn't mean it" or "well you liberals just want to make him look bad" or the classic "actually you need a PhD in Trump Dialects to understand that the words he says are less important than whatever interpretation of the words he says that translates to him being correct".

[Rasulis]

Never forget the words of one of the most honest Trump supporters ever.

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To riff on an old Persian adage - "This too shall be ignored."

I have no doubt that you are right. The report was commissioned by the Texas State House and the committee includes three GOP representatives, and it did not hold back.

It blames the state’s aging infrastructure which has been the leading cause of fire in the last 20 years, poor response management, inadequate and underfunded fire departments, antiquated and incompatible equipment, lack of early fire detection systems, ineffective fire prediction and modeling, inadequate air fleet which were unable to fly in 50 mph wind, etc. A very thorough and scathing report of the State of Texas wildfire preparedness. Or unpreparedness. Yet not one word on climate change. Not once.

[Ivanstone]

I'm glad that other guy yielded that this is entirely untrue. See that previous post, since I have nothing to add.

This is an obviously troll attempt to characterize comments Mike Johnson made in a hallway. Are you aware that the majority leader speaking with reporters in a walking interview is not the same thing as a vote taken in the house chamber? Let's just see if that difference is apparent to you, so I can better know what you mean about "withholding relief."

You're glad the other guy bent the knee. I will not. Too bad for you.

He’s the Speaker of the House uttering threats in a public forum. I have no idea why you would stand up for an immoral sack of shit. Both you and him should be better people.

And as I’ve stated numerous times over the years your home state has insulated you from your personal politics. It’s spending millions of dollars to keep the leopard from eating your face. We’ll see if it’s enough this time.

[Edge-]

You're glad the other guy bent the knee. I will not. Too bad for you.

He’s the Speaker of the House uttering threats in a public forum. I have no idea why you would stand up for an immoral sack of shit. Both you and him should be better people.

And as I’ve stated numerous times over the years your home state has insulated you from your personal politics. It’s spending millions of dollars to keep the leopard from eating your face. We’ll see if it’s enough this time.

No, you see what they say doesn't matter. It's just locker room talk.

But Democrats never get a locker room so they need to be tarred and feathered for their words because when they say words it's different than when Republicans say words.

I guess maybe it's an implicit acknowledgment that Republicans cannot and should never be trusted at their word because they're probably lying?

[Wilian]

You can't or won't answer the question? It's pretty simple. Why is there a double standard? I get it, there is huge censorship here and as a moderator you are part of it. I think it's just regular mods who do the infracting on that point. I get infracted for repeating trolls by other posters who get nothing, it's call bias.

They are cultists. Its just the definition correctly used.

[DarkTZeratul]

Republicans continuing with a special session to appropriate tens of millions of dollars to fight the federal government would be a disastrous political move at the same time they're begging the federal government for help without strings attached.

So what you're saying is you can't name a time the Democrats openly talked about withholding disaster aid for Republican states, because it never fucking happened, but you're so much a partisan shill that you can't just admit it never happened, you have to twist events into a narrative that somehow makes them look justified in being absolute fucking ghouls for refusing to use federal disaster relief money to provide disaster relief because the state is governed by the other political party. Just fucking monstrous. Both them for doing it, and you for being too much of a goddamn coward, or too much of a brainwashed cultist, or too much of a genuine asshole, to call them out on their bullshit.

[NED funded]

For the curious no one questioned what use would Florida give the aid. Florida could have said that they wanted aid to MAGA the state and that money would still be given bc you shouldnt use aid as a threat to shape state policy.

Its an attack to states rights. I dont think Republicans want to be having this discussion on the next hurricane season. Imagine if democrats pushed for climate change action as a condition for aid.