Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[gondrin]

Will legitimately be really bad for grocery prices, among other things. (Especially right now in the winter. We get a lot of produce from Mexico.) Can only hope there's some slightly competent advisor with enough ability to talk Trump out of it.

Edit: I don't even think presidents should have the authority to enact tariffs. Should be limited to Congress. SC will never stand in the way of Trump's Executive Orders though, shit's fucked.

They do and they don't.

Because of International Economic Emergency Powers Act, they can impose tariffs of a national security measure if an emergency is declared. However, it can only be done on an emergency. He did that back in his first administration with Mexico if they didn't help stop immigrant caravans.

However, he would have to explain why Canada is also part of the emergency. And as far as I can tell, Congress can override it.

Otherwise, no. Only Congress can declare what can and cannot be subject to a tariff.

[Breccia]

So, does anyone have an exact count of the number of terrorists Trump finally got around to pardoning?

It's over 1500.

[gondrin]

So, does anyone have an exact count of the number of terrorists Trump finally got around to pardoning?

It's over 1500.

So, Vance, what is this about not pardoning ones that attacked officers? Hmm?

Lets go ask him, shall we?

I guess all I hear is crickets.

Oh, and from that link, I guess he couldn't handle the thought of someone else getting any attention:

And Trump signed an order that flags must be at full height at every future Inauguration Day. The order came because former President Jimmy Carter’s death had prompted flags to be at half-staff. Trump demanded they be moved up Monday.

[Wyrt]

Only took Trump a couple hours to violate the constitution he had just sworn to uphold. Is that a new record?

[Rustedsaint]

Only took Trump a couple hours to violate the constitution he had just sworn to uphold. Is that a new record?

Now now, it doesn’t count since his hand wasn’t on the bible.

Fully expecting him to try and use force to take over panam/greenland and probably Canada sometime in the next 4 years.

[Breccia]

Only took Trump a couple hours to violate the constitution he had just sworn to uphold. Is that a new record?

Trump has gone on record that the oath does not apply to him.

Donald Trump Says He Never Swore Oath 'to Support the Constitution'

FromNov 2023.

Trump's legal team has argued against an attempt to have him thrown off the presidential ballot in Colorado in 2024 by suggesting the wording of the U.S. Constitution's insurrection clause does not apply to him.

The Colorado Supreme Court agreed to hear an appeal on a lawsuit filed by the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) watchdog group and Republican figures, who argue that Trump's actions on January 6, 2021, violated Section Three of the 14th Amendment and therefore he should be prohibited from running for the White House again.

The section states a person who "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" after taking an oath of office to support the Constitution should be barred from running for office again. In a previous ruling, lower court judge Sarah B. Wallace said that Trump had "engaged in insurrection" on January 6, the day of the Capitol riot, but should remain on Colorado's primary ballot as the wording of the 14th Amendment does not specifically mention preventing people from running for the presidency.

In their appeal against the Colorado lawsuit, Trump's lawyers reiterated that the wording of Section Three does not apply to people running for president and that Trump technically did not swear an oath to "support" the Constitution. Instead, during his January 2017 inauguration, Trump swore to "preserve, protect and defend" the Constitution during his role as president.

"The framers excluded the office of President from Section Three purposefully," Trump's legal team wrote. "Section Three does not apply, because the presidency is not an office 'under the United States,' the president is not an 'officer of the United States,' and Trump did not take an oath 'to support the Constitution of the United States.'"

Why anyone would see that and vote them into the WH is beyond me.

[gondrin]

Now now, it doesn’t count since his hand wasn’t on the bible.

Fully expecting him to try and use force to take over panam/greenland and probably Canada sometime in the next 4 years.

I want to the likes of Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and other people who claim they are anti-war and anti-expansionist pretzel themselves on whatever logic they come up with to justify any of those things.

Might sound a bit like this:

[Wyrt]

Now now, it doesn’t count since his hand wasn’t on the bible.

Fully expecting him to try and use force to take over panam/greenland and probably Canada sometime in the next 4 years.

Watching MAGAs trying to argue themselves into knots saying undocumented immigrants are simultaneously illegal and also not subject to the jurisdiction of the US is amusing at least.

[Edge-]

Watching MAGAs trying to argue themselves into knots saying undocumented immigrants are simultaneously illegal and also not subject to the jurisdiction of the US is amusing at least.

Sovereign undocumented migrants?

[gondrin]

Watching MAGAs trying to argue themselves into knots saying undocumented immigrants are simultaneously illegal and also not subject to the jurisdiction of the US is amusing at least.

Peak Sovereign Citizen arguing right there.

That is what it will be.

"I wasn't driving sir. I was traveling."
"That isn't my name. That person, who's name is all capital letters that is the same as mine, isn't the same, man, human, person, entity or corporation."

[Belize]

Trump has gone on record that the oath does not apply to him.

Donald Trump Says He Never Swore Oath 'to Support the Constitution'

FromNov 2023.



Why anyone would see that and vote them into the WH is beyond me.

Easy, 1/3 of America actively wants a boot to crush them because they think it'll crush others slightly harder, and another 1/3 is apathetic and unable to understand that inactions have consequences

[Endus]

Watching MAGAs trying to argue themselves into knots saying undocumented immigrants are simultaneously illegal and also not subject to the jurisdiction of the US is amusing at least.

It really hurts their precious little fee-fees that being undocumented isn't illegal in any way whatsoever.

[Breccia]

Trump signs Executive Order ending birthright citizenship.

"He can't do that, it's in the Constitution."

He did anyhow. He does not care.

Among executive orders signed by Trump at the Oval Office is one ending birthright citizenship.

Such a move, though, is expected to face significant legal hurdles. Under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, any person born within the territory of the U.S. is a U.S. citizen.

When a reporter pointed out that that order will likely be challenged, Trump said, "You could be right."

"We have good grounds," he added.

He also declared National Security Lol at the southern border, which Trump thinks means he can do whatever he wants.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Any less ridiculous than blanket pardons right before you leave office?

How about signing 1500 blanket pardons right after you take office?

[gondrin]

Trump signs Executive Order ending birthright citizenship.

"He can't do that, it's in the Constitution."

He did anyhow. He does not care.



He also declared National Security Lol at the southern border, which Trump thinks means he can do whatever he wants.

As far as the national emergency thing, he has that ability. As far as the birthright citizenship, yeah, that will most definitely get challenged and hopefully overturned. Who knows with this Supreme Court.

[Draco-Onis]

that's not the point. the point is: Americans are by design made to be ignorant and unware of things that aren't spoon fed to them by the media. this is cultivated and maintained by the ruling elite, who the Dem leadership are a part of. the problems for the Dems is unlike the Republicans; who dive head first into rhetoric that plays to their bases wants and desires. the Dems refuse to do that. that is what I'm talking about. like FFS, you think I'm not aware of how elite Trump is? I know he hates his base, but that doesn't stop him from saying the things they want to hear!

You know I don't entirely disagree with you but I think our goose was cooked because of Biden everything we did after that was stopping the bleeding. If Biden had stayed we were looking at nationwide disaster for the democratic party. Even if Kamala promised the sun and moon it would be a hard sell because of who she is, our only shot at winning was for Biden to step down and have a fresh candidate and the democrats blew it.

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Easy, 1/3 of America actively wants a boot to crush them because they think it'll crush others slightly harder, and another 1/3 is apathetic and unable to understand that inactions have consequences

I don't understand these people you have farmers and construction business owners now in a panic when they voted for Trump like what the fuck did you think was going to happen. Trump for once didn't lie on what he was going to do these people are dumber than rocks if they thought they were going to be exempt.

[Malkiah]

You know I don't entirely disagree with you but I think our goose was cooked because of Biden everything we did after that was stopping the bleeding. If Biden had stayed we were looking at nationwide disaster for the democratic party. Even if Kamala promised the sun and moon it would be a hard sell because of who she is, our only shot at winning was for Biden to step down and have a fresh candidate and the democrats blew it.

what's interesting is that the only way in which they blew it was to once again underestimate just how many sexists and racists exist in the democratic voting bloc, which strikes me a bit akin to getting high on your own supply.
2016 and 2024 pretty much conclusively showed that absent every other factor, the collective group of US citizens who regularly vote for the democrats have a not-insignificant number of bigots who just won't show up if the candidate is a not-old-white guy, so really the only thing the DNC could have done is have biden step down and also prop up some other old white guy in his place while *also* maintaining the forms and decorum of their political operation, which basically meant the DNC was in a literally impossible position.

if we go by voting record, 3/4th of adult aged citizens of the united states are face-down ass-up white male supremacist bigots, full stop.
makes for some harsh realities about the inclusion gimmick the dems are trying to run with.

[Endus]

Trump signs Executive Order ending birthright citizenship.

"He can't do that, it's in the Constitution."

He did anyhow. He does not care.

The law only matters to the extent that the courts will enforce the law. If SCOTUS decides Trump can do it, Trump can do it. It's that simplistic.

[gondrin]

what's interesting is that the only way in which they blew it was to once again underestimate just how many sexists and racists exist in the democratic voting bloc, which strikes me a bit akin to getting high on your own supply.
2016 and 2024 pretty much conclusively showed that absent every other factor, the collective group of US citizens who regularly vote for the democrats have a not-insignificant number of bigots who just won't show up if the candidate is a not-old-white guy, so really the only thing the DNC could have done is have biden step down and also prop up some other old white guy in his place while *also* maintaining the forms and decorum of their political operation, which basically meant the DNC was in a literally impossible position.

if we go by voting record, 3/4th of adult aged citizens of the united states are face-down ass-up white male supremacist bigots, full stop.
makes for some harsh realities about the inclusion gimmick they're trying to run with.

That is the thing here. Yes, people voted for Trump that normally wouldn't vote for him because of some bullshit nonsense about the price of things hoping he would cause the price of things to go down(here soon, it will be the opposite). However, and I said it in multiple threads, that there are a sizable number of bigots in the democrat party that, while they have no issue with women voting or working, black people voting or working, they will have an issue with one that is in power. Usually the same people who have a female boss that they don't like. To them, having a female in power will remind them of their boss they don't like and they don't want any part of that.

[Captain N]

The law only matters to the extent that the courts will enforce the law. If SCOTUS decides Trump can do it, Trump can do it. It's that simplistic.

And I'm sure that there won't be any required evidence if Trump's ICE comes across someone with brown skin. That'll be enough for them to start deporting American citizens.