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    I know nobody here will agree with this opinion piece, and I don't agree with all of it, but a few things stood out to me:

    “Great presidents are unifiers mostly in retrospect,” he told me. Most great presidents, he later wrote, “divided the nation before reuniting it on a new level of national understanding.”

    And more importantly,

    "That contest may be more effective if opponents embrace the reality that Trump has already demonstrated some familiar signatures of the most consequential presidents. Like influential predecessors, his arguments have shifted the terms of debate in ways that echo within both parties — in this case, on issues such as trade, China, and the role of big corporations."


    Unfortunately, Dems won't realize this and continue to run as "not Trump" or even worse, continue to chastise voters who have already wholly rejected their current-day ideology.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...ident-00199564

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fixxit the Gnome View Post
    It's still insane to me that a man that spearheaded an insurrection was allowed to run as a presidential candidate. He should be in jail for treason.
    He should be six feet under for treason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    I know nobody here will agree with this opinion piece, and I don't agree with all of it, but a few things stood out to me:

    “Great presidents are unifiers mostly in retrospect,” he told me. Most great presidents, he later wrote, “divided the nation before reuniting it on a new level of national understanding.”

    And more importantly,

    "That contest may be more effective if opponents embrace the reality that Trump has already demonstrated some familiar signatures of the most consequential presidents. Like influential predecessors, his arguments have shifted the terms of debate in ways that echo within both parties — in this case, on issues such as trade, China, and the role of big corporations."


    Unfortunately, Dems won't realize this and continue to run as "not Trump" or even worse, continue to chastise voters who have already wholly rejected their current-day ideology.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...ident-00199564
    So, how many days until the Night of the Long Knives Part 2 Electric Boogaloo in your opinion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fixxit the Gnome View Post
    It's still insane to me that a man that spearheaded an insurrection was allowed to run as a presidential candidate. He should be in jail for treason.
    Something something Beer Hall Putsch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post


    Something something Beer Hall Putsch.
    At least Adolf was actually sent to jail. Guy never had at as good as Trump. Rich and immune to consequences, as well as stupid enough following to not even need the fiery speeches. Just soundbytes, rambling and buzzwords.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    I know nobody here will agree with this opinion piece
    Why would they? Have you seen the EOs he's already signed? How does scrapping the drug price cap make eggs any cheaper?

    And this part actually stood out to me more:
    "Once they gargle and spit, however, the opposition party may find something liberating about the moment."

    Can't imagine why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    At least Adolf was actually sent to jail. Guy never had at as good as Trump. Rich and immune to consequences, as well as stupid enough following to not even need the fiery speeches. Just soundbytes, rambling and buzzwords.
    True. Honestly, as an historian I can actually see that people were smarter a century ago.

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    Even Russia thinks threatening to take the Panama Canal is fucking stupid

    Like, yeah, it's hypocritical of them to condemn the idea given, like... Ukraine... But even the loonies are being out looned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fixxit the Gnome View Post
    It's still insane to me that a man that spearheaded an insurrection was allowed to run as a presidential candidate. He should be in jail for treason.
    Him and John Eastman deserve to rot in prison for the fake electors plot alone. I almost hate how much media focus the rioting on Jan 6th got in comparison to the fake electors plan that was happening behind the scenes.

    Obviously they're part of the same plot, the riots were a last ditch hail mary because Pence wasn't going along with the plan. But the average American has no idea about the elector shit that was happening, which is way more serious imo.

    At this point though, I don't know if it would have mattered. Too many Americans seem to actually want a dictator at this point. And when Trump can pass Executive Orders or do "official acts" without Congress or the Supreme Court stepping in the way, he essentially is a dictator. Hopefully there will be some push back from Congress or the SC, but I'm doubting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    I know nobody here will agree with this opinion piece, and I don't agree with all of it, but a few things stood out to me:

    “Great presidents are unifiers mostly in retrospect,” he told me. Most great presidents, he later wrote, “divided the nation before reuniting it on a new level of national understanding.”

    And more importantly,

    "That contest may be more effective if opponents embrace the reality that Trump has already demonstrated some familiar signatures of the most consequential presidents. Like influential predecessors, his arguments have shifted the terms of debate in ways that echo within both parties — in this case, on issues such as trade, China, and the role of big corporations."


    Unfortunately, Dems won't realize this and continue to run as "not Trump" or even worse, continue to chastise voters who have already wholly rejected their current-day ideology.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...ident-00199564
    In my opinion the greatness of presidents are based on their accomplishments when all is said and done that's the only thing that matters. What was the great accomplishment of Trump on his first term? What was his "new deal" impact on history that would cement him as a good president? Aside from that 2 trillion dollar tax cut from the rich he doesn't have anything really big and that's not a positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Even Russia thinks threatening to take the Panama Canal is fucking stupid

    Like, yeah, it's hypocritical of them to condemn the idea given, like... Ukraine... But even the loonies are being out looned.
    roflmao i just gotta disassociate for the next 4 years and then it'll all be the funniest shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Even Russia thinks threatening to take the Panama Canal is fucking stupid

    Like, yeah, it's hypocritical of them to condemn the idea given, like... Ukraine... But even the loonies are being out looned.
    It's just completely pointless. Trump knows he can't make the economy better, so he has to rely on expansionism to keep his approval ratings up. I think he's serious about Greenland and Panama, and people will eat it up because people historically love it. So stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    In my opinion the greatness of presidents are based on their accomplishments when all is said and done that's the only thing that matters. What was the great accomplishment of Trump on his first term? What was his "new deal" impact on history that would cement him as a good president? Aside from that 2 trillion dollar tax cut from the rich he doesn't have anything really big and that's not a positive.
    It's incredible what happens when you have a cult primed to follow any "charismatic" leader. I mean, just look at Saint Reagan, another actor that Republicans elevated to the Oval Office who left a wake of both immediate and delayed destruction in his wake.

    Weird how it's been the case that Republicans keep electing actors to high office and they keep doing a terrible job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by En Sabah Nur View Post
    Why would they? Have you seen the EOs he's already signed? How does scrapping the drug price cap make eggs any cheaper?

    And this part actually stood out to me more:
    "Once they gargle and spit, however, the opposition party may find something liberating about the moment."

    Can't imagine why.
    Biden's EO was symbolic only, it wasn't doing anything tangible to lower prices.

    To think a presidential EO could simply control prices is laughable. It would be equally asinine if Trump were to sign an EO lowering the prices of eggs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fixxit the Gnome View Post
    It's still insane to me that a man that spearheaded an insurrection was allowed to run as a presidential candidate. He should be in jail for treason.
    I'm sure that's how millions and millions of Germans felt circa March 1933. We all know how that turned out in the end.

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    According to Tom Homan the deportation raids begin today. It’s going to be a wild 12 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    Biden's EO was symbolic only
    Then why sign a new EO to remove it, if it was only symbolic? Is that symbolic as well? Should Trump have wasted ink on symbolically undoing the symbolic work of Biden?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    Biden's EO was symbolic only, it wasn't doing anything tangible to lower prices.

    To think a presidential EO could simply control prices is laughable. It would be equally asinine if Trump were to sign an EO lowering the prices of eggs.
    https://www.statnews.com/2025/01/20/...iscrimination/

    Trump also rescinded an executive order that prompted the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation to create three drug pricing experiments that haven’t gotten fully off the ground yet.

    The first model aimed to help state Medicaid programs pay for cell and gene therapies that are highly effective but expensive. The idea was to create multi-state purchasing agreements that would allow states to not pay for drugs if they were ineffective.

    CMMI has started the process of enrolling states in the pilot program, and the application is supposed to be open through Feb. 28.

    The second experiment tests having Medicare pay less for drugs that receive accelerated approvals from the Food and Drug Administration. Accelerated approvals make promising drugs available to patients sooner, before it’s fully proven that the medicines actually work. The reduced payments would, theoretically, incentivize drugmakers to finish studying the medicines through confirmatory trials.

    The final pilot project is designed to encourage Medicare prescription drug plans to offer generic drugs for common chronic conditions for a flat, $2 copay. The goal was to standardize copays for generic drugs and encourage patients to continue taking medications.

    The expected pick to run CMMI under the Trump administration is former White House and Department of Health and Human Services aide Abe Sutton.
    For the people in the thread that actually read and exist in the same shared reality as the rest of us, Somewhatconcerned is still making shit up and doesn't know what he was talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    Then why sign a new EO to remove it, if it was only symbolic? Is that symbolic as well? Should Trump have wasted ink on symbolically undoing the symbolic work of Biden?
    Virtue signaling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    It's incredible what happens when you have a cult primed to follow any "charismatic" leader. I mean, just look at Saint Reagan, another actor that Republicans elevated to the Oval Office who left a wake of both immediate and delayed destruction in his wake.

    Weird how it's been the case that Republicans keep electing actors to high office and they keep doing a terrible job.
    Indeed. Ronald Reagan the president? They'd have tarred and feathered for some of his policies.
    Saint Ronald of Reagan, breaker of unions, blessed of Hollywood, Patron Saint of Unfettered Capitalism is an entirely different person.
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    Biden's EO was symbolic only, it wasn't doing anything tangible to lower prices.

    To think a presidential EO could simply control prices is laughable. It would be equally asinine if Trump were to sign an EO lowering the prices of eggs.
    Sure, but how many days until the Night of the Long Knives Part 2 Electric Boogaloo in your opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    A practise we should resume as soon as possible.
    The German in me agrees.
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