Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Timester]

I'll add this post by you to "doing everything but acknowledge why Trump won.

Changing the concept of critical thinking, aren't you? If you want to win, you focus in what make you winning. That's how democracy started in Greece.

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We withdrew from the Paris Accords last time, and nothing happened.

California is still burning.

WHO - did they even help during COVID? All the public health policy/decisions are national/local anyway.

By following the recomendations of the WHO.

[Edge-]

California is still burning.

And Texas burned before it, and Florida got hit by whopper hurricanes.

They don't understand that climate change is a time-delayed thing and not an instantaneous thing. Then again they don't understand climate change at all because they refuse to read any of the science or listen to the scientists because damnit it's January and there's snow in DC so there's nothing wrong. Just a bunch of anti-science neanderthals.

[En Sabah Nur]

You seem upset.

Not at all. As I literally said, just asking people to get some actual perspective on where we're at.

If this is the part where you try and make this into a long back and forth argument, I'll just say I have zero interest now

[LeGin v4]

Drill, baby, drill



If 1/3 of Americans want to embrace the domestic consequences of the lunacy that's unfolding, that's their look out.

But further condemning the world to the catastrophic effects of climate change in the name of "furthering the national interest of this country" (Rubio)... nah. All those who voted for Trump or abstained through apathy bear responsibility.

I have friends and colleagues in Palisades who lost their homes. Sadly, they're all Dems.

Every time a now-less-than-freak weather event hits a red state, you can guess what my reaction will be. My apologies to the 1/3 who didn't vote for this.

[tehdang]

Changing the concept of critical thinking, aren't you? If you want to win, you focus in what make you winning. That's how democracy started in Greece.

I've heard a lot of posters in this forum conduct a very simple analysis leading up to the election. The posts differ, but the broad strokes were the same. The mere fact that such a large portion of Americans were even thinking of voting for Trump meant that they were fascists themselves, or incredibly stupid, or so tolerant of fascism that it was a significant moral failing on their part. In their minds, the salvation of Democracy was a uni-party issue, and ought to be the number one campaign issue propelling the Democratic candidate to office.

Now, I don't actually know your feelings on the subject. I don't even know if you followed the Biden-Trump and later Kamala-Trump election thread throughout its life. But certainly you can see the interest in whether there's some facile stupid-or-fascist breakdown that explains why such a bombastic fool get elected not once but twice to this nation's highest office? And you probably have enough comprehension to know that why a candidate won differs from what a candidate should do in order to win?

[Draco-Onis]

WHO - did they even help during COVID? All the public health policy/decisions are national/local anyway.

One of the many reasons we weren't ready for COVID is because Trump withdrew from the WHO and fired the monitoring team in Wuhan you know the place where COVID originated from. It seems you are fine with being caught with our pants down from the next pandemic since over 1 million dead Americans wasn't enough for you.

[Doomcookie]

Not at all. As I literally said, just asking people to get some actual perspective on where we're at.

If this is the part where you try and make this into a long back and forth argument, I'll just say I have zero interest now

Do you have a problem with Nazis getting called out?

[Timester]

I've heard a lot of posters in this forum conduct a very simple analysis leading up to the election. The posts differ, but the broad strokes were the same. The mere fact that such a large portion of Americans were even thinking of voting for Trump meant that they were fascists themselves, or incredibly stupid, or so tolerant of fascism that it was a significant moral failing on their part. In their minds, the salvation of Democracy was a uni-party issue, and ought to be the number one campaign issue propelling the Democratic candidate to office.

Now, I don't actually know your feelings on the subject. I don't even know if you followed the Biden-Trump and later Kamala-Trump election thread throughout its life. But certainly you can see the interest in whether there's some facile stupid-or-fascist breakdown that explains why such a bombastic fool get elected not once but twice to this nation's highest office? And you probably have enough comprehension to know that why a candidate won differs from what a candidate should do in order to win?

Sure, open a "Democratic Party thread" for that.

[Edge-]

Drill, baby, drill

I'm still skeptical that, without massive government subsidies to offset the expensive price of exploration, we're going to see some major expansion of oil and gas exploration in the immediate future.

[Somewhatconcerned]

One of the many reasons we weren't ready for COVID is because Trump withdrew from the WHO and fired the monitoring team in Wuhan you know the place where COVID originated from. It seems you are fine with being caught with our pants down from the next pandemic since over 1 million dead Americans wasn't enough for you.

Nobody was ready for COVID, anywhere in the world. Same thing would have happened to Hilary if she had been president, IMO.

I actually think we will be better prepared this time, having just recently seen what did and didn't work.

[Timester]

Nobody was ready for COVID, anywhere in the world. Same thing would have happened to Hilary if she had been president, IMO.

I actually think we will be better prepared this time, having just recently seen what did and didn't work.

We know what worked, the recomendations of the WHO.

[Edge-]

Nobody was ready for COVID, anywhere in the world. Same thing would have happened to Hilary if she had been president, IMO.

I actually think we will be better prepared this time, having just recently seen what did and didn't work.

Another fantastic example of how fundamentally unserious you are.

[Rasulis]

And Texas burned before it, and Florida got hit by whopper hurricanes.

They don't understand that climate change is a time-delayed thing and not an instantaneous thing. Then again they don't understand climate change at all because they refuse to read any of the science or listen to the scientists because damnit it's January and there's snow in DC so there's nothing wrong. Just a bunch of anti-science neanderthals.

Even places like Tennessee and New Jersey are not immune to wildfires anymore. The risk of wildfires in the US has been spreading to the east.

How about the 2016 Great Smoky Mountains Wildfires? Almost 18,000 acres and over 2,400 structures were burned. I have been there before. The land is lush, covered with verdant forests and rivers full of flowing water. If there was a place immune to wildfire, that would be the place. How could a place that gets more rain in a year than Seattle and Portland combined ever burn?

Yet, it did. In 2016, a wildfire swept through the small town of Gatlinburg, destroyed thousands of structures and killing 14 people. It shattered the illusion that any place could truly be climate-proof.

[Jastall]

Nobody was ready for COVID, anywhere in the world. Same thing would have happened to Hilary if she had been president, IMO.

I actually think we will be better prepared this time, having just recently seen what did and didn't work.

What worked were the policies not implemented by Trump and sundry other Republicans like DeSantis. So fat chance any lesson is learned from that.

[En Sabah Nur]

Do you have a problem with Nazis getting called out?

Strange reply.

Just read the last bit of my post and go away.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Another fantastic example of how fundamentally unserious you are.

Why? Because I don't believe the PaNdeMiC ReSPoNsE tEaM would have made an appreciable difference in a once-in-a-lifetime event?

Who's the unserious one?

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What worked were the policies not implemented by Trump and sundry other Republicans like DeSantis. So fat chance any lesson is learned from that.

More people died under Biden.

[Doomcookie]

Strange reply.

Just read the last bit of my post and go away.

You seemed to take considerable umbrage at those pointing it out. It you don't want people to point it out, then perhaps public forums aren't for you.

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Why? Because I don't believe the PaNdeMiC ReSPoNsE tEaM would have made an appreciable difference in a once-in-a-lifetime event?

Who's the unserious one?

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More people died under Biden.

No, because you lied.

[En Sabah Nur]

More people died under Biden.

Holy disingenuousness, Batman!

[Draco-Onis]

Nobody was ready for COVID, anywhere in the world. Same thing would have happened to Hilary if she had been president, IMO.

I actually think we will be better prepared this time, having just recently seen what did and didn't work.

That's utterly delusional because we have the death toll of every country that handled it better and did things different. We have RFK jr. in charge now you think the guy with the hole in his head is going to do better, he plans on bringing deadly diseases back because he cannot grasp basic scientific concepts like herd immunity.

[Endus]

I've heard a lot of posters in this forum conduct a very simple analysis leading up to the election. The posts differ, but the broad strokes were the same. The mere fact that such a large portion of Americans were even thinking of voting for Trump meant that they were fascists themselves, or incredibly stupid, or so tolerant of fascism that it was a significant moral failing on their part. In their minds, the salvation of Democracy was a uni-party issue, and ought to be the number one campaign issue propelling the Democratic candidate to office.

If you vote for an objectively fascist candidate and party, then you're a fascist.

That's how definitions work, dude. You're trying to tone-police away the objective truth of the matter, because you can't contest it on the facts. And that's not ever gonna work.

Now, I don't actually know your feelings on the subject. I don't even know if you followed the Biden-Trump and later Kamala-Trump election thread throughout its life. But certainly you can see the interest in whether there's some facile stupid-or-fascist breakdown that explains why such a bombastic fool get elected not once but twice to this nation's highest office? And you probably have enough comprehension to know that why a candidate won differs from what a candidate should do in order to win?

Why did he get elected not once but twice? Because a lot of Americans support the bigotry and fascism he represents. It's really that simple. That's all he was offering, and to a lot of Americans, that was appealing. Hence the votes. That's how voting works.

You keep trying to deflect away from this simple truth, but you never present an actual alternative.