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    Not satisfied with raising medicine costs for Medicaid patients, Trump specifically and directly makes health insurance worse for millions of Americans.

    Trump signed a series of executive orders. Two were aimed at reversing several key elements of the Affordable Care Act that were implemented during the Biden administration. This included rescinding President Biden's 2021 executive order 14009, which expanded open enrollment periods for ACA plans, as well as 2022 executive order 14070, which aimed to lower ACA premiums.

    Executive Order 14009, titled "Strengthening Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act," includes several key components designed to increase access to affordable health care and reduce the number of uninsured Americans:

    Reversal of Trump administration policies: The order sought to undo measures that limited ACA provisions or made healthcare less accessible.

    Longer enrollment periods: The order encouraged states to lengthen enrollment periods and provided additional federal support. As a result, many states extended their enrollment windows to ensure broader access to affordable healthcare.

    Restoration of pre-existing condition protections: Reaffirmed protections for individuals with pre-existing conditions and reinforced nondiscrimination policies in healthcare.

    Immediate review of agency actions: The order directed various executive departments and agencies to review existing regulations, orders, and policies to ensure they align with the goal of strengthening Medicaid and the ACA.

    Executive Order 14070, titled "Continuing To Strengthen Americans' Access to Affordable, Quality Health Coverage," aimed to maintain and enhance Medicaid and the ACA. Key components included:

    Enhanced marketplace subsidies: The order highlights the positive impact of the American Rescue Plan Act on access to coverage, including enhanced marketplace subsidies.

    Extended postpartum Medicaid coverage: It provides options for states to extend postpartum Medicaid coverage.

    New incentives for Medicaid expansion: The order includes new incentives for states to expand their Medicaid programs.
    Regardless of your feelings towards the law, Trump specifically and directly made getting affordable health coverage harder and/or worse coverage, and he did so with no alternative or replacement. I want special note taken of the pre-existing conditions situation, considering Trump is loaded with pre-existing conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfd View Post
    Honestly serious question here, but what the fuck do you actually think Democrats could have done about it? The system, as it currently stands, requires participation from both sides to function. There's literally nothing the Democrats COULD have done about it when one half of the equation is not only not participating as intended, but is actively working to undermine the system.

    The Dems are absolutely not at fault here, unless you are seriously suggesting that Biden should have just ordered Seal Teams to assassinate 2/3rds of the Republican party or any other rediculous "solution" to the problem.

    They TRIED, literally for years, to do something about it, and were actively fucking blocked pretty much every single time by the Republicans.

    Like, seriously, what do you think the Dems could actually have done to prevent this from happening that wouldn't require them effectively throwing the rules out themselves?
    Well, one thing, get rid of the "need 60 votes rule" to stop debates. That is one of the biggest issues. I understand why it is there but it allows the tyranny of the extreme minority to basically decide what can and cannot be done. I get that the Senate needs to allow Senators to bring force issues with bills, and they should be able to do, but instead of needing 60 votes to stop the debate, it should be if someone wants to filibuster it, they have to get the approval of, at a minimum 40% of the Senate.

    They could have, instead of being afraid of what the Republicans were going to do, push them on it. Actually force a vote to increase the size of the Supreme Court. Force a vote on all of the judges and the like. Instead of trying to play the book by the rules established, play it by the rules the Republicans put out there. And when they eventually complain, tell them to shut up and sit down as it is their rules they are playing by.

    Republicans love to be bullies but like with any bully that I've met in life, sometimes you let them speak, other times you basically threaten them, and other times when nothing else works, you just punch them in the mouth and force them to be decent. It is time for the "punch them in the mouth" as everything else won't work. Don't be afraid of what may happen. Just do it and go from there.

    Because now of their cowardice, Trump has basically repealed nearly every EO Biden put in place(like he did with Obama). Everything from lowered drug prices to protections of LBGTQ people to pretty much everything else.

    So, much like I said earlier in the thread, any Trump supporter that complains about something Trump does, all they will get from me is a "You shit the bed, now go lie in it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    please also take the complaining about democrats to the biden thread or something jesus christ, it's a fucking honorific, not an actual position. as I said, can we not with this borderline (or actually) incorrect shit?
    We can disagree on Pelosi but my whole point is that democrats have not changed direction since the election and there is no one forging a new path. Republicans had McConnell holding them together during Obama Schummer couldn't control the senate when democrats had control forget about now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Not satisfied with raising medicine costs for Medicaid patients, Trump specifically and directly makes health insurance worse for millions of Americans.



    Regardless of your feelings towards the law, Trump specifically and directly made getting affordable health coverage harder and/or worse coverage, and he did so with no alternative or replacement. I want special note taken of the pre-existing conditions situation, considering Trump is loaded with pre-existing conditions.
    Is this the "concept of a plan"? This looks like the "concept of a plan".

    Gosh wouldn't it be bad of millions of Republican voters who rely on the ACA suddenly lost their health insurance due or were unable to maintain it? Do you think that would be an inflationary event for those individuals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Not satisfied with raising medicine costs for Medicaid patients, Trump specifically and directly makes health insurance worse for millions of Americans.



    Regardless of your feelings towards the law, Trump specifically and directly made getting affordable health coverage harder and/or worse coverage, and he did so with no alternative or replacement. I want special note taken of the pre-existing conditions situation, considering Trump is loaded with pre-existing conditions.
    Remember, he did this with every EO Obama signed. It didn't matter what it was. Trump wanted it gone. This is what is happening here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    Trump and Elon have both said it, Elon knows his way around voting machine software, he's the best at voting machine software, he knows how to get those votes, people didn't even need to vote for Trump! He said he had all the votes he needed a week before the election.
    This is cope. Trump didn't need to rig a damn thing; Biden and Kamala shit the bed and let him run away with it, and the broad majority of the Democratic establishment doesn't even give a shit. At the end of the day they benefit from maintaining the status quo, too.

    tehdang may be an insincere sociopath but I think even he'd acknowledge that Trump won because he appealed to his base's grievances and fears (though he'd probably claim those are valid) while Kamala alienated her base in pursuit of the mythical persuadable Republicans that don't actually exist.

    Maybe a reductive explanation, and who knows, maybe three months was never enough time for her to salvage Biden's mess, but I still feel pretty confident in my assessment that the day 4 DNC strategy pivot was where all the momentum she had started to evaporate, and the polling data bears that out.

    Though I don't know that there's much point in continuing to relitigate the election at this point. Trump's in, shit's about to get really rough for a lot of people, and either that'll make the pendulum swing back hard or the Democrats will let the Trump administration so fundamentally undermine the checks and balances that the Republicans will embed themselves like an inextricable tick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Is this the "concept of a plan"? This looks like the "concept of a plan".

    Gosh wouldn't it be bad of millions of Republican voters who rely on the ACA suddenly lost their health insurance due or were unable to maintain it? Do you think that would be an inflationary event for those individuals?
    What was it again? Something about people voting against their own interests. Trump's reversal of Biden's EOs 14009 and 14070 will also impact Medicaid expansion.

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    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-...ob-protections

    The National Treasury Employees Union launched a legal attack against President Donald Trump‘s “Schedule F” executive order, a directive that makes it easier for his administration to fire career employees who work across administrations.

    Trump’s order is “contrary to congressional intent,” NTEU said in a complaint filed late Monday in the US District Court for the District of Columbia. The union pointed to a part of civil service law that empowers the president to remove job protections for career agency staff if “conditions of good administration warrant,” adding that the order doesn’t meet that requirement.

    It’s the latest lawsuit seeking to block Trump’s efforts to cull the federal workforce. On Monday, unions and other groups filed complaints in federal court seeking to end the Department of Government Efficiency. DOGE is an effort to cut government spending that will be led by billionaire and Trump ally Elon Musk.

    “This order is about administering political loyalty tests to everyday employees in the federal workforce who took an oath to uphold the Constitution and serve their country,” said NTEU National President Doreen Greenwald in a statement.

    NTEU represents employees in 37 federal agencies and offices, including staff at the IRS and Department of Health and Human Services.
    And the first "unionized labor vs. Donald and Republicans" lawsuit...or probably not the first at this point, begins!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post
    Sure, open a "Democratic Party thread" for that.
    I assume from the last five pages that people are willing to talk about why Trump won in a Trump-focused thread, but I hope everybody hears you here. I see several pages of explanations that I frankly find fault with. Not that you have to take me up on any of them, like you don't here.
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    Donald Trump: DRUG CARTELS ARE TERRORISTS, KILL ALL DRUG DEALERS

    Also Donald Trump:

    Well, he did promise Libertarians he'd free him. But this is just another example of the lack of any coherent ideology from Donald, whose only ideology seems to be "Say and do whatever will get me power and make me popular." and that's the only singular note of consistency.

    So he's pardoned criminals who assaulted law enforcement and seriously injured them, and also the operators of one of the largest drug selling websites on the dark net for ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Donald Trump: DRUG CARTELS ARE TERRORISTS, KILL ALL DRUG DEALERS

    Also Donald Trump:



    Well, he did promise Libertarians he'd free him. But this is just another example of the lack of any coherent ideology from Donald, whose only ideology seems to be "Say and do whatever will get me power and make me popular." and that's the only singular note of consistency.

    So he's pardoned criminals who assaulted law enforcement and seriously injured them, and also the operators of one of the largest drug selling websites on the dark net for ages.
    Hey, crypto might have a use again if Ross wants to restart his business, Silk Road was one of the few uses for it back in the day

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    Would think that there would be more people on death row in the USA, also that pardoning the Silk Road guy, isn’t his beef with Canada about illegal drug flow into the USA.
    Also no one mentioned the 500 billion for AI companies that is supposed to come from investors. Notice how one of those companies belongs to Elon, conflict of interest eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    I assume from the last five pages that people are willing to talk about why Trump won in a Trump-focused thread, but I hope everybody hears you here. I see several pages of explanations that I frankly find fault with. Not that you have to take me up on any of them, like you don't here.
    The central problem is, you put anyone who does take you up on those issues onto Ignore, so you don't see their posts anymore and can pretend nobody's offering real criticism.

    Again, Trump won because he ran on a platform of fascism and bigotry, which appealed to a lot of Americans. Any other attempt at explanation is an attempt to evade this simple fact.


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    The oligarchs are getting their monies worth - Musk wants the national space council scrapped and it looks like it is happening. Not to mention pumping money into 'ai' for the benefit of the oligarchs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The oligarchs are getting their monies worth - Musk wants the national space council scrapped and it looks like it is happening. Not to mention pumping money into 'ai' for the benefit of the oligarchs.
    Republicans love their socialism for the uber-wealthy so fucking much, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    Biden's EO was symbolic only, it wasn't doing anything tangible to lower prices.

    To think a presidential EO could simply control prices is laughable. It would be equally asinine if Trump were to sign an EO lowering the prices of eggs.
    Except it actually worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    More people died under Biden.
    Because people were stupid and listening to shock jocks like that retard Joe Rogan and taking ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine when we known neither work for covid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The oligarchs are getting their monies worth - Musk wants the national space council scrapped and it looks like it is happening. Not to mention pumping money into 'ai' for the benefit of the oligarchs.
    Well, as far as this goes, it has been disbanded multiple times in the past. Started out as the National Aeronautics and Space Council which was made by Eisenhower in 1958. Nixon abolished it in 1973, Bush Sr. brought it back as the NSC in 1989 then disbanded it in 1993 due to disagreements between them and some people in NASA. Trump brought it back in 2017. If it were NASA, then I would say that would be a bigger deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The oligarchs are getting their monies worth - Musk wants the national space council scrapped and it looks like it is happening. Not to mention pumping money into 'ai' for the benefit of the oligarchs.
    LoL, "200 billion" of new AI money is pledged by the Softbank guy again.

    For people seeing that cat loop and experiencing Deja Vu. The same Softbank also pledge billions of "investment to create jobs" four years ago for Trump.
    Our concerned Trump fanboys even made threads about them in their previous sockpuppet accounts.

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...s-over-5-years



    For all the "new voters" that memory holed 2017-2020. Trump drove Obama's economy into the ditch. tirED Of wInNing yET?!
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    Well I guess crypto scammers, tax evaders are going to make a killing soon.

    Guess I should invest in some meme coins right now.
    "Life is one long series of problems to solve. The more you solve, the better a man you become.... Tribulations spawn in life and over and over again we must stand our ground and face them."

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    I guess the ones who were whining about white males being under attack, and their existence being threatened were entirely correct. Just in a self fulfilling prophecy kind of way. They had their lord Trump legislate them out of existence.

    Not even 2 days into this shitshow, and it's already a complete clown circus...
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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