Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Rasulis]

What part of "CA Dems win on this issue" do you not understand? What part of "fire prevention methods with fire aid" do you not understand? I've stated the extreme limit to what he can hope for, but I suspect you don't actually have a real disagreement with me.

"fire prevention methods?"

How many states in the US have fire fighting air fleet the size of California? Answer: none.

How many states in the US have early ignition detection system which includes AI, satellite, cameras and drones in back counties? Answer: none.

As for preparedness, here is Texas House Representatives report of Texas Panhandle Fires last year. It talks about everything from poor response management, outdated/incompatible equipment, lack of air fleet, undertrained personnel, fires burning for hours undetected, ineffective fire prediction and modeling, etc. Makes for good reading.

https://www.house.texas.gov/pdfs/com...res-Report.pdf

Did Biden asked them to fix all of that for the aid funding?

[zorkuus]

So Endus and any other Canadians, according to Trump, you would have better healthcare if Canada were to become a US State. What do you think about that?

Even a non-Canadian knows the answer. Why would any developed country want to join that semi-third world country that is now officially ran by oligarchs?

[Endus]

So Endus and any other Canadians, according to Trump, you would have better healthcare if Canada were to become a US State. What do you think about that?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...dbf4369c&ei=36

It's such an obvious lie.

Canadian healthcare has its issues, but we're consistently ranked higher in objective analyses in terms of health outcomes. The USA's system's few "advantages" generally boil down to removing access to the system from wide swathes of people (which reduces wait times for those who remain) and better executive-level accommodations and services for those who pay, like luxury rooms.

Like, take this comparison, which includes both. Canada's system has clear issues; we don't rank particularly high on the list. But we beat the USA on 5/6 categories, and the USA's ranked 9th or 10th out of 10 in those 5. The only place the USA does well is "care process", which is admittedly important, but not to the exclusion of all others, and while the USA ranked #2 there, Canada was #4 and the gap wasn't particularly large.

Also, the USA pays like twice as much as any other country to fail as badly as they do in this.

[gondrin]

Even a non-Canadian knows the answer. Why would any developed country want to join that semi-third world country that is now officially ran by oligarchs?

Won't you think of the perks? You would get denied care, have to work long hours for less pay, possibly get randomly shot by both police and other motorists because of some perceived slight. /s

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It's such an obvious lie.

Canadian healthcare has its issues, but we're consistently ranked higher in objective analyses in terms of health outcomes. The USA's system's few "advantages" generally boil down to removing access to the system from wide swathes of people (which reduces wait times for those who remain) and better executive-level accommodations and services for those who pay, like luxury rooms.

Like, take this comparison, which includes both. Canada's system has clear issues; we don't rank particularly high on the list. But we beat the USA on 5/6 categories, and the USA's ranked 9th or 10th out of 10 in those 5. The only place the USA does well is "care process", which is admittedly important, but not to the exclusion of all others, and while the USA ranked #2 there, Canada was #4 and the gap wasn't particularly large.

Also, the USA pays like twice as much as any other country to fail as badly as they do in this.

I've said this when asked about what healthcare is like here.

If you have LOTS of money or are in a position of power, you probably will have access to the best healthcare in the world. Otherwise, you might be fighting for scraps and have to wait for those scraps.

[zorkuus]

Won't you think of the perks? You would get denied care, have to work long hours for less pay, possibly get randomly shot by both police and other motorists because of some perceived slight. /s

That does sound enticing now that I think about it. Also the failing infrastructure and terrible public transportation is giving me a boner too.

[Cthulhu 2020]

They will happily vote against their constituents if they can direct the blame away. "I voted for ending FEMA and now you are all fucked" while they control the entire government is a bit harder to shift away.

Consider this: People have told me it's cope, but Trump and Elon both make vague brags about hacking the voting systems in the 2024 election. What if Elon assures Republican Senators/Congressmen that they get to keep their position and get money shoved in their pockets if they start dismantling government services to pay for billionaire tax cuts and more juicy government contracts for Elon and his buddies? What if they have some other method to render American voting pointless? You say they'd never do this stuff because they'd have to answer to their voters, but what if they don't and all of this starts happening?

[Marfrilau]

They can do both destroy the parts that help and protect regular people while enriching themselves. For example treasury good because you can loot it, department of education bad because you want that money going to private schools via vouchers. This is the looting of America he's even doing it directly he's made billions off those crypto coins and NFT.

Yeah I know all that. But in this case he's literally taking a department that funnels money from blue states to red states.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

So Endus and any other Canadians, according to Trump, you would have better healthcare if Canada were to become a US State. What do you think about that?

(Insert Bender “are you serious? Let me laugh harder” meme here)

[Cthulhu 2020]

It's such an obvious lie.

Canadian healthcare has its issues, but we're consistently ranked higher in objective analyses in terms of health outcomes. The USA's system's few "advantages" generally boil down to removing access to the system from wide swathes of people (which reduces wait times for those who remain) and better executive-level accommodations and services for those who pay, like luxury rooms.

Like, take this comparison, which includes both. Canada's system has clear issues; we don't rank particularly high on the list. But we beat the USA on 5/6 categories, and the USA's ranked 9th or 10th out of 10 in those 5. The only place the USA does well is "care process", which is admittedly important, but not to the exclusion of all others, and while the USA ranked #2 there, Canada was #4 and the gap wasn't particularly large.

Also, the USA pays like twice as much as any other country to fail as badly as they do in this.

Canadians would still have the same hospitals, same clinics, same everything, but they'd be paying 10x as much for the same services.




So anyway, Trump signed an executive order allowing for ICE to detain and deport students who protest for Gaza on university campuses. Stein protest voters, are we winning yet?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Canadians would still have the same hospitals, same clinics, same everything, but they'd be paying 10x as much for the same services.

I mean how many of our doctors and nurses would get the boot for being “DEI” in a trump Canmerika.

[Edge-]

So anyway, Trump signed an executive order allowing for ICE to detain and deport students who protest for Gaza on university campuses. Stein protest voters, are we winning yet?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...h-deportation/

Some sauce for anyone interested.

Muslim ban 2.0 is back and more racist than ever.

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https://www.npr.org/2025/01/24/g-s1-...barred-capitol

On Friday, Judge Mehta issued an order prohibiting Rhodes and seven other Oath Keepers convicted in connection with the Capitol Riot from entering Washington, D.C. or the U.S. Capitol building or grounds without first obtaining the court's permission.

In response, the Justice Department filed a motion with the court opposing the judge's order. The government filing, signed by Ed Martin Jr., the new Trump-appointed acting U.S. Attorney for Washington, D.C., argues that Rhodes and the other defendants are no longer subject to the terms of supervised release and probation because of the president's commutation, so the court must vacate its order.

Rhodes' lawyer declined to comment on the court's order.

This is a garbage administration of garbage people and anyone is personally garbage if they support it. That's all, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Are those teenagers/young adults in chains being loaded onto a plane for deportation? This is just pure cruelty at this point. No wonder ICE has been raiding schools and bus stops for children.

[Gorsameth]

Consider this: People have told me it's cope, but Trump and Elon both make vague brags about hacking the voting systems in the 2024 election. What if Elon assures Republican Senators/Congressmen that they get to keep their position and get money shoved in their pockets if they start dismantling government services to pay for billionaire tax cuts and more juicy government contracts for Elon and his buddies? What if they have some other method to render American voting pointless? You say they'd never do this stuff because they'd have to answer to their voters, but what if they don't and all of this starts happening?

The entire reason Elon is there is to get more money and pay less taxes, no one disputes that and they can do that without shooting themselves in the foot by disbanding FEMA.

There is a big big gap between rich people tax cuts, dismantling of regulation and oversight compared to halting disaster relief to your own state that regularly faces disasters.

[Edge-]

Are those teenagers/young adults in chains being loaded onto a plane for deportation? This is just pure cruelty at this point. No wonder ICE has been raiding schools and bus stops for children.

literal children being put on a plant that costs tens of thousands of dollars to fly them a short distance

is this being a good christian/person and also financially conservative? it seems to be the literal opposite of both, actually

[Gorsameth]

[IMG]

Are those teenagers/young adults in chains being loaded onto a plane for deportation? This is just pure cruelty at this point. No wonder ICE has been raiding schools and bus stops for children.

pure cruelty is the entire purpose.
We know that.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...h-deportation/

Some sauce for anyone interested.

Muslim ban 2.0 is back and more racist than ever.

So free speech, term limits and birth citizen ship in the trash, I wonder if he will be able to violate every amendment at least once.

[Corvus]

Because project 2025 goal is to destroy the government.

The goal is to follow the russian model - bankrupt the government so that everything is privatised on the cheap to enrich the oligarchs.

[Edge-]

So free speech, term limits and birth citizen ship in the trash, I wonder if he will be able to violate every amendment at least once.

Not really. He's trying to, but most won't happen. Term limits and birthright are both in the Constitution and require amendments that won't happen. He'll hack away at Freeze Peach as Republicans have done aggressively in Florida and Texas and other Republican-dominated states, but that's temporary.

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/24/us/ic...ool/index.html

Law enforcement agents attempted entry into a Chicago elementary school Friday morning, but were not allowed inside or permitted to speak to anyone inside, Chicago Public Schools officials said.

Around 11:15 a.m., the agents attempted to enter Hamline Elementary School, Chicago Public Schools’ Chief Education Officer Bogdana Chkoumbova said. School officials said the agents were from US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which ICE denied.

“School staff followed CPS established protocols,” Chkoumbova said in a news conference Friday. “They kept ICE agents outside of the school and contacted CPS law department and CPS Office of Safety and Security for further guidance. The ICE agents were not allowed into the school and were not permitted to speak to any students or staff members.”

Donald and Republicans are sending ICE to rip children out of schools.

Children.

Not "the violent criminals and gangs". Literal. Children.

Nazi shit.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

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Are those teenagers/young adults in chains being loaded onto a plane for deportation? This is just pure cruelty at this point. No wonder ICE has been raiding schools and bus stops for children.

To quote trump him self.

“nothing you can do, folks, Although the Second Amendment people maybe there is, I don’t know.”

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Not really. He's trying to, but most won't happen. Term limits and birthright are both in the Constitution and require amendments that won't happen. He'll hack away at Freeze Peach as Republicans have done aggressively in Florida and Texas and other Republican-dominated states, but that's temporary.

oh I mean trying to trash them, not that he’ll succeed, hopefully.

[Blur4stuff]

Healthcare lies are a bit harder to get away with. Millions of Americans, including plenty of republicans, have had terrible experiences with the US healthcare system. This includes those who have coverage and end up getting screwed anyways.

In order to believe US healthcare is one of the best you have to achieve an impressive level of delusion.