Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Cthulhu 2020]

Imagine thinking a temporary, small bump in coffee prices is more important than the safety of our citizens.

Regardless, the tariffs worked. A tool to be used when appropriate.

lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

"The safety of our citizens"

A rapist who stole national secrets and is very likely a pedophile is in the white house and is eroding 80 years of US soft power in trade partners and allies. Americans overall will be less safe, afford less because more of their money is going to groceries, many will likely end up homeless as a result and there's no plan to help with this at all.

On the flip side, undocumented migrants and asylum seekers are on average less likely to commit criminal offenses like murder, rape, theft, etc. than natural born citizens because they don't want the scrutiny of the law on them.

You don't give one flying fuck about the safety and security of Americans, just admit it already. You and every other conservative whinged and moaned about illegals, and when that was a losing message you pivoted to the price of groceries because that's something everyone cares about. 4 years we had to deal with this shit. Now that food is about to get a lot more expensive you're "ImAgInE CaRiNg mOrE AbOuT ThE PrIcE Of cOfFeE ThAn tHe sAfEtY Of aMeRiCaN CiTiZeNs"

Shut the fuck up.

The price of coffee will remain up until Trump's punitive/retaliatory tariffs are gone, but Colombia has already stated that it's time to stop considering the US an ally and close trade partner and start looking at the rest of the world. Stupid conservatives have this idea in their head that the rest of North and South America relies on the USA, forgetting that many already started negotiations for more trade with China under the first Trump administration because the USA has become an unreliable ally and trade partner at best because fuckwits keep electing the orange cheetoh to ruin everything.

We're going to lose our special deals with the rest of the Americas. We're separated by oceans on both sides from the rest of the world. The Americas have always relied on each other since they were colonized, and for basically the first time in history our allies are looking across those oceans for allies and trade partners. But y'all don't care about America's safety or security, you just want to be North Korea, a weak little nation that cowers behind its borders, pretending to be self sufficient while citizens suffer.

[Edge-]

ICE can get warrants and visit these people at their houses, or after school or before school at worse. "Maybe they are dangerous criminals" would mean they'd have direct warrants. To my knowledge, these were unwarranted.

(To my knowledge this works, the school raids could have been avoided completely but didn't)

"They just couldn't get the warrants for the violent murderers and rapists WORKING AT THE SCHOOL so they just showed up without a warrant to be turned away, letting all the violent murderers and rapists WORKING AT THE SCHOOL know they were onto them and giving them time to flee"

the truly dumbest fucking notions but we're supposed to fucking take these things seriously

it's one of the most deadass mindless concepts I've heard in a while

[Breccia]

Agree that no Americans should get caught up in any raids, but you were the one who made the assertion that it was happening in masse, so I asked for your evidence of that.

Don't worry about this, @Edge- I got it.

As has already been previously posted repeatedly and not yet refuted:
1) Trump is setting ICE quotas of 1200 to 1500 arrests per day
2) While making 538 arrests, picked up one US military veteran

If Trump gets the 1200 per day he's asking for, by that ratio, that's three thousand US military veterans alone. You responded with "any others" so clearly you are fine with that ratio. So, you personally are okay with it being thousands of people. You claim it won't happen, and yet, you've already publicly admitted you would be fine if it did.

And that's just veterans. Other citizens, plural, were also caught up in NJ alone. That means the real number is at least triple what you already claimed you were completely okay with.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Yes, we heard about that case in NJ.

Any others?

Legal US citizens. So you clearly don't care about the safety of US citizens if your reaction to legal US citizens getting caught up in ICE raids is "any others?"

[Kathandira]

Imagine thinking a temporary, small bump in coffee prices is more important than the safety of our citizens.

Why would you think it is temporary. As the video I posted earlier today on Tariffs states, we still are living with the Chicken Tax from 1964. We don't know if any new tariffs would be temporary, or last the entirety of our life times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax

[Breccia]

Why would you think it is temporary.

It was temporary. As soon as Trump backed down and removed his tariffs, Colombia sent a plane. Trump blinked.

[Rasulis]

Adults work at schools - perhaps they had someone on their list with a criminal history as a school employee. Wouldn't this be protecting the kids?

Agree that no Americans should get caught up in any raids, but you were the one who made the assertion that it was happening in masse, so I asked for your evidence of that.

Possible. But not very likely. We used to have as-needed engineering contracts with several School Districts in San Diego County. We had to do annual background checks for all of our employees. Keep in mind, we don't deal with the children. We are usually there for geotechnical borings, install water or vapor extraction wells, or do construction observations and testing services. So, the chances of somebody with that kind of criminal records getting employed at any school districts are pretty low.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Why would you think it is temporary. As the video I posted earlier today on Tariffs states, we still are living with the Chicken Tax from 1964. We don't know if any new tariffs would be temporary, or last the entirety of our life times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax

Colombia already caved, dude.

[DarkTZeratul]

Colombia already caved, dude.

If you mean that Trump caved to Colombia's demands, yes.

[Breccia]

If you mean that Trump caved to Colombia's demands, yes.

After wasting taxpayer money on a military flight. If Trump had just asked in the first place, he would have saved US money by using a civilian flight, and nobody would have known the difference. Instead, he's bullied into a fetal position by a country with one-sixth the GDP of Texas.

[Polgara]

Colombia's demands were also just, "send them on chartered flights please, like has been done before". That's the demands that turned Don into a whimpering little bitch.

Internet weirdos pick the biggest sissies to idolize.

Edit: Breccia said the same thing before me. Guess it can be said in stereo.

[En Sabah Nur]

Civilian flight and with treated with at least a little bit of respect i.e. not in fucking chains.

Not much to ask, is it?

[Endus]

Civilian flight and with treated with at least a little bit of respect i.e. not in fucking chains.

Not much to ask, is it?

Apparently necessary reminder to the chucklefucks out there that unlawful presence (being and undocumented immigrant) is in no way illegal. It is not a crime of any kind, nor are there any civil penalties whatsoever under the law. It's less of a legal issue than jaywalking.

It allows them to be deported, because non-citizens need a valid visa to have permission to be in the USA, no visa, no permission. So they can be removed. That's it. Putting them in cells of any kind, putting restraints on them of any sort, should be considered an infringement of their human rights. And thus, ironically, more of a legal issue than their presence is.

If you can't manage that, then your issue isn't their unlawful presence, the issue is that you're an abusive bigot and this is how you get your jollies; you enjoy the suffering of certain groups of innocents.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Don't worry about this, @Edge- I got it.

As has already been previously posted repeatedly and not yet refuted:
1) Trump is setting ICE quotas of 1200 to 1500 arrests per day
2) While making 538 arrests, picked up one US military veteran

If Trump gets the 1200 per day he's asking for, by that ratio, that's three thousand US military veterans alone. You responded with "any others" so clearly you are fine with that ratio. So, you personally are okay with it being thousands of people. You claim it won't happen, and yet, you've already publicly admitted you would be fine if it did.

And that's just veterans. Other citizens, plural, were also caught up in NJ alone. That means the real number is at least triple what you already claimed you were completely okay with.

That's not how ratios work.

And nobody said they were ok with Americans being detained, but one example in NJ is a far cry from the implication that this was happening en masse already.

If more and more incidents like that are reported, then we can discuss what the best steps forward should be.

[Huehuecoyotl]

That's not how ratios work.

And nobody said they were ok with Americans being detained, but one example in NJ is a far cry from the implication that this was happening en masse already.

If more and more incidents like that are reported, then we can discuss what the best steps forward should be.

Oh dear. Not content with showing your breathtaking ignorance on basic economics, you've now decided to display to the world that you don't even understand maths.

I'm getting popcorn for this one. Breccia is going to have a field day.

[Endus]

That's not how ratios work.

That's exactly how ratios work.

Out of 538 detained, 1 was a US veteran. So a 1:537 ratio, presuming all others were undocumented immigrants.
If Trump intends 1200 a day, that means, maintaining that ratio, that's 2.23:1200, give or take a rounding error.
And 2.23 per day over 4 years amounts to 3,258 American veterans over that 4 year period.

That's how ratios work. It's basic math. You're just adjusting the "1:537" ratio of "veterans to undocumented" to apply to 1200 detainees, and then that ratio's "2.23 per day" to "the number of days in Trump's Presidency".

[Captain N]

So how long before the goal posts get moved and the deportation of 3258 US Veterans becomes a small price to pay for cleansing....ahem...I mean cleaning up the illegal immigration problem?

[Somewhatconcerned]

That's exactly how ratios work.

Out of 538 detained, 1 was a US veteran. So a 1:537 ratio, presuming all others were undocumented immigrants.
If Trump intends 1200 a day, that means, maintaining that ratio, that's 2.23:1200, give or take a rounding error.
And 2.23 per day over 4 years amounts to 3,258 American veterans over that 4 year period.

That's how ratios work. It's basic math. You're just adjusting the "1:537" ratio of "veterans to undocumented" to apply to 1200 detainees, and then that ratio's "2.23 per day" to "the number of days in Trump's Presidency".

No, because you're only taking the ratio out of the arrests for that one day, not the total that has occured so far since last week. So in reality it's a much smaller ratio.

Additionally your scenario assumes this ratio stays the same over time, which nobody can predict. In reality as they refine their efforts and attempt to avoid any potential civil rights violations/potential lawsuits, it will only further decrease.

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So how long before the goal posts get moved and the deportation of 3258 US Veterans becomes a small price to pay for cleansing....ahem...I mean cleaning up the illegal immigration problem?

Exactly zero US veterans have been deported

Who is moving the goal posts, exactly?

[Edge-]

No, because you're only taking the ratio out of the arrests for that one day, not the total that has occured so far since last week. So in reality it's a much smaller ratio.

Share you data, then. Stop expecting everyone else do to your work for you.

Additionally your scenario assumes this ratio stays the same over time, which nobody can predict. In reality as they refine their efforts and attempt to avoid any potential civil rights violations/potential lawsuits, it will only further decrease.

Meanwhile, in reality, which we've already discussed - https://apnews.com/article/civil-rig...a78282d4279c35

President Donald Trump’s new Justice Department leadership has put a freeze on civil rights litigation and suggested it may reconsider police reform agreements negotiated by the Biden administration, according to two memos obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press.

Attorneys in the department’s Civil Rights Division were ordered not to file any new complaints, amicus briefs or other certain court papers “until further notice,” one of the memos said.

Another memo directed attorneys to notify leadership of any settlements or consent decrees — court-enforceable agreements to reform police agencies — that were finalized by the Biden administration within the last 90 days.

Donald ordered the DoJ to stop doing anything in regards to civil rights violations and lawsuits.

This is why we say y'all are so fucking unserious, rofl. You don't exist in reality and can't remember shit, apparently.

[zorkuus]

Colombia's demands were also just, "send them on chartered flights please, like has been done before". That's the demands that turned Don into a whimpering little bitch.

Internet weirdos pick the biggest sissies to idolize.

Edit: Breccia said the same thing before me. Guess it can be said in stereo.

tRump and co. wanted it to be military planes to intentionally make a big deal out of it and get the press. That's all they care about.