Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

Breccia is going to have a field day.

No, that's okay. I think he's shown it just fine all by himself. I do appreciate the invitation, I assure you But I'll sit this one out and let the self-owning continue.

[zorkuus]

tech stocks are in free fall. wow it's so awesome how Trump said he was gonna "invest" in half a trillion in this bullshit and come to find out China has made an AI that's vastly more efficient than anything silicon valley has come up with, and its all open source. just in time for the AI bubble to finally burst. thank you president Xi (factitiously, but not really).

This wouldn't be the first time orange lardo has made bad business decisions.

[Templar 331]

Exactly zero US veterans have been deported

Who is moving the goal posts, exactly?

He was detained because he wasn't white enough and his ID wasn't good enough for ICE to prove his citizenship. That alone should be condemnable.

[Breccia]

That alone should be condemnable.

Also, he was talking about being detained. Which the veteran was. This "deported" is a sudden change in stance that doesn't fit his existing lack of concern.

[Endus]

No, because you're only taking the ratio out of the arrests for that one day, not the total that has occured so far since last week. So in reality it's a much smaller ratio.

Additionally your scenario assumes this ratio stays the same over time, which nobody can predict. In reality as they refine their efforts and attempt to avoid any potential civil rights violations/potential lawsuits, it will only further decrease.

Buddy, moving goalposts is just a tacit admission that you fucked up while trying to save face and pretend you're not admitting that.

This is an argument that the single day isn't representative, which I'd agree with, but it isn't at all about how ratios work, which is what you originally claimed was the error.

Just admit you fucked up next time, rather than trying to gaslight people to their faces about it. Which is all you're doing here.

[Corvus]

I see Trump's business skills are as sharp as ever, promising to invest heavily in a bubble just before it crashes.

[Kaleredar]

I see Trump's business skills are as sharp as ever, promising to invest heavily in a bubble just before it crashes.

I mean I guess it’s better that than him having invested all that taxpayer money and then having the bubble burst.


…which is basically just dumb luck on Trump’s part, but avoiding a trump-based colossal failure due to sheer coincidence is about the best we can hope for at this point.

[Edge-]

I mean I guess it’s better that than him having invested all that taxpayer money and then having the bubble burst.


…which is basically just dumb luck on Trump’s part, but avoiding a trump-based colossal failure due to sheer coincidence is about the best we can hope for at this point.

Again: That was private investment, not taxpayer investment. It's a promise, like when Foxxcon promised to invest a ton and bring tons of good paying jobs to Wisconsin in return for massive tax breaks and then oops didn't make the big investments it committed to. Another Donald deal, actually.

And what's more funny is I've seen some folks pointing to recently/soon to be completed project saying "SEE THIS IS PROOF" and like every single one of the projects I've seen them point to has been in the works for like 3-5 fucking years already rofl.

[gondrin]

Again: That was private investment, not taxpayer investment. It's a promise, like when Foxxcon promised to invest a ton and bring tons of good paying jobs to Wisconsin in return for massive tax breaks and then oops didn't make the big investments it committed to. Another Donald deal, actually.

And what's more funny is I've seen some folks pointing to recently/soon to be completed project saying "SEE THIS IS PROOF" and like every single one of the projects I've seen them point to has been in the works for like 3-5 fucking years already rofl.

Funny thing about that Foxconn deal, Biden actually got a semiconductor manufacturer to build in the US. Intel is building 2 factories in Ohio that should be opening this year sometime. $20 billion.

Trump promised thousands of jobs in Wisconsin that never came to anything and yet Biden, the man who people claim did nothing, helped actually bring investment to the US.

[Belize]

As it turns out, a lot of the folks pardoned by Trump for the Jan. 6 insurrection were actually just really shitting people all along.

We're going to see a lot of them re-arrested or in this case shot by police over the coming months/year.

[Edge-]

As it turns out, a lot of the folks pardoned by Trump for the Jan. 6 insurrection were actually just really shitting people all along.

We're going to see a lot of them re-arrested or in this case shot by police over the coming months/year.

Jay Dee Hamel thinks that's totally fine because it's all Merrick Garland's fault.

No, I'm not kidding.

“Margaret, you’re separating—there’s an important issue here,” Vance said. “There’s what the people actually did on January the 6th, and we’re not saying everybody did everything perfectly, and then what did Merrick Garland’s Department of Justice do in unjustly prosecuting well over 1,000 Americans in a way that was politically motivated?”

“Is violence like that against a police officer ever justified?” pressed Brennan.

“Violence against a police officer is not justified but that does not mean that you should have Merrick Garland’s weaponized Department of Justice expose you to incredibly unfair process, to denial of constitutional rights, and frankly, to a double standard that was not applied to many people,” Vance responded.

“The pardon power is not just for people who are angels or people who are perfect. And of course, we love our law enforcement and want people to be peaceful, with everybody, but especially with our good cops. That’s a separate issue from what Merrick Garland’s Department of Justice did. We rectified a wrong, and I stand by it.”

Don't want to go to jail? Don't break the law. Pretty simple.

As we've said: Republicans fucking hate law enforcement.

[gondrin]

Jay Dee Hamel thinks that's totally fine because it's all Merrick Garland's fault.

No, I'm not kidding.



Don't want to go to jail? Don't break the law. Pretty simple.

As we've said: Republicans fucking hate law enforcement.

I would love to ask Vance one simple question.

"Did these men that were sentenced have their day in court?"

That is it. If they did, they were not denied any constitutional rights.

[Poopymonster]

"the minor threatened to assault the ICE agent with a biological weapon"

"what kind of biological weapon would a 7 year old have?"

"a music-covered projectile fired out of a small orifice that could potentially injure or infect the victim"

"so...a booger"

"yes your honor, a booger, fired at great speed out of his nose by closing the other nostril with his finger"

i can't wait for this exchange, since you know, they're apparently prioritizing the dangerous criminals by going to

*checks notes*

schools

Honestly schools are one of the least safe places in this country.
Not due to immigrants. It's generally the locals. Exercising some right.

[gondrin]

So folks, I guess Trump is going to try and deport actual US citizens. I wonder about those on the right think about that. I probably know what they are thinking.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other...d720bf5c&ei=34

Trump threatens exile for Americans who are ‘repeat offenders’ and ‘violent criminals’

President Donald Trump on Monday told Republican members of the House that he would launch a plan to subject recidivist American criminals to a punishment never before used in the United States and last used in the United Kingdom nearly two centuries ago: Forced exile.

“We’re going to get approval ... to get them the hell out of our country,” he vowed. “Let’s see how they like it.”

Trump unveiled his plan as he spoke to House Republicans during a dinner for them at his Doral, Florida golf resort, discussed his administration’s operation implementing mass deportations of undocumented immigrants.

He boasted that his administration was “tracking down the illegal alien criminals” and “detaining them and we are throwing them the hell out of our country” with “no apologies.” He then pivoted to discussing the alleged relative viciousness of foreign criminals versus native-born American lawbreakers.

“I used to say these are more violent than our criminals. In fact, the best part about them is they make our criminals look quite nice, actually, by comparison,” said Trump. In fact studies have shown that undocumented immigrants break the law far less than American-born citizens.

Trump acknowledged that the U.S. also has “many violent people” iwho “did not necessarily come here illegally, but have been arrested 30 times, 35 times. 41, 42 times.”

They have been arrested for crimes such as “murder and other heinous charges such as pushing people into subways” or striking people with baseball bats, or “punching old ladies in the face, knocking them unconscious and stealing their purse,” he noted.

“I don’t want these violent repeat offenders in our country any more than I want illegal aliens from other countries who misbehave,” Trump said. “They’re repeat offenders by many numbers. I want them out of our country. I also will will be seeking permission to do so,” he vowed.

“We’re going to get approval, hopefully, to get them the hell out of our country, along with others. Let them be brought to a foreign land and maintained by others for a very small fee, as opposed to be maintained in our jails for massive amounts of money, including the private prison companies that charge us a fortune. Let them be brought out of our country and let them live there for a while. Let’s see how they like it,” he said.

Trump then repeated a false assertion that foreign countries have deliberately emptied prisons and “sent” criminals to the United States to reduce crimes, and suggested American crime rates would fall by implementing his proposal to exile Americans.

Trump correctly noted that “approval” to throw American convicts out of the U.S. would be needed in the form of legislation authorizing the practice.

It’s unlikely that such a plan would ever be authorized by Congress or approved by the courts. For one thing, Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which prohibits “cruel and unusual punishments.”

It was once commonplace in the UK to use “punishment by transportation” in move criminals out of the country. Beginning in the 1600s, many English criminals were transported to the colonies that would later become the United States.

After the American Revolutionary War, the British government then established a penal colony in New South Wales (now Australia). The practice ended in the second half of the 19th century.

[Draco-Onis]

Economists have been wrong about plenty of things.

That's a vague non sense answer, you don't have to believe economist believe Donald J. Trump. During his first term Trump went after temporary visas for workers in the fishing industry, he had to quickly reverse course because the industry was collapsing. Another example is the UK after Brexit a lot of foreign workers left and Boris Johnson initiated several programs for UK citizens to work on farms, construction, elderly care etc. Boris failed miserably it's so bad that the UK had to import hundreds of thousands of non EU immigrants to fill those rolls.

If you can point out any example of this policy working out historically feel free but we have recent failures including by Trump proves it's folly.

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As it turns out, a lot of the folks pardoned by Trump for the Jan. 6 insurrection were actually just really shitting people all along.

We're going to see a lot of them re-arrested or in this case shot by police over the coming months/year.

A lot of these Jan. 6th nut jobs have very long awful rap sheets it's not an if but when these people murder someone and the blood of the innocent victims is on MAGA.

[Templar 331]

So folks, I guess Trump is going to try and deport actual US citizens. I wonder about those on the right think about that. I probably know what they are thinking.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other...d720bf5c&ei=34

Would this apply to someone with 34 felonies? Asking for a tangerine.

[gondrin]

Would this apply to someone with 34 felonies? Asking for a tangerine.

I mean, according to him, he should be deported. Because he most definitely has committed multiple crimes repeatedly.

- - - Updated - - -

As it turns out, a lot of the folks pardoned by Trump for the Jan. 6 insurrection were actually just really shitting people all along.

We're going to see a lot of them re-arrested or in this case shot by police over the coming months/year.

A lot of the Jan 6th nutjobs tend to be sovereign citizen types of extremist anti-government types. The same types that took over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. Most of these people will either be back in jail on state charges and serve time that way or pull a gun or do something to a cop that would cause the cop to shoot them.

[Edge-]

So folks, I guess Trump is going to try and deport actual US citizens. I wonder about those on the right think about that. I probably know what they are thinking.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other...d720bf5c&ei=34

damn we went from

"deport the criminal undocumented immigrants"

to

"deport criminal americans" in like a week

ooph

[gondrin]

damn we went from

"deport the criminal undocumented immigrants"

to

"deport criminal americans" in like a week

ooph

Well, Homan did say they were going to "open up the aperture to fugitives".

[Edge-]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tru...ry-2025-01-27/

U.S. President Donald Trump on Sunday ordered the federal government to override the state of California's water-management practices to bolster firefighting efforts.
The executive order comes two days after Trump visited the Los Angeles region, which has been devastated by a series of wildfires.
Trump has falsely claimed that Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom and other officials refused to provide water from the northern part of the state to fight the fires.

"states rights" until they don't like the state then it's BIG GUB'MINT

donald and republicans will literally weaponize the government to prop up the delusions of how donald thinks the world works

it was literally never about states rights

ever