Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[FeedsOnDevTears]

Has anyone considered that Woodward's book might really be an attack on Trump?

It's two months before the mid-terms. Probably the single most crucial point of Trump's Presidency. And thanks to Woodward's book, cable news junky Trump is going to be slapped in the face every day with:

• the most competent people around him, the ones who keep his administration actually functioning, all secretly think he's an idiot and are lying to him
• everyone knows Trump is an idiot and his ideas are all stupid, so they do everything possible to make sure he can't follow through on his ideas

Now, Trump really is an idiot. And the people around him probably do despise him. And he obviously has lots of problems with his ego.

Is there any better way to make sure does as many stupid and self-destructive things as possible in the next sixty days?

[MAGAmobile]

When was the last time life gave you what you wanted, especially when it came to Trump?

I'm expecting more from you than this if this is your actual response.

[Thekri]

Not like we were doing well by the planet and those that reside on it before Trump. If you want to put up with this longer than great for you, but at this point Trump is going for his second term and things will be in such disrepair that we have no shot anymore.

I don't know about you, but thinking positive never did anything for anyone.



When was the last time life gave you what you wanted, especially when it came to Trump?

Well that is not only depressing and a horrible worldview, it also defeats the purpose of opposing something bad in the first place. Hope is the foundation of a just fight to begin with. If I didn't think I could make the world a better place by fighting, I wouldn't fight. You can't write off the entire planet because you don't like Trump because, well, there is nothing left if you do. All we have is this planet, and it has always been fucked up, but sometimes, temporarily, it gets a little bit better.

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Has anyone considered that Woodward's book might really be an attack on Trump?

It's two months before the mid-terms. Probably the single most crucial point of Trump's Presidency. And thanks to Woodward's book, cable news junky Trump is going to be slapped in the face every day with:

• the most competent people around him, the ones who keep his administration actually functioning, all secretly think he's an idiot and are lying to him
• everyone knows Trump is an idiot and his ideas are all stupid, so they do everything possible to make sure he can't follow through on his ideas

Now, Trump really is an idiot. And the people around him probably do despise him. And he obviously has lots of problems with his ego.

Is there any better way to make sure does as many stupid and self-destructive things as possible in the next sixty days?

Pretty sure that occurred to almost everyone. It wasn't exactly subtle. Woodward damn near came out and said it on the phone to Trump. What did you think that "Difficult time for me and my profession" was about?

[Endus]

Has anyone considered that Woodward's book might really be an attack on Trump?

It absolutely is an attack on Trump.

Trump's problem is that the truth is an attack on Trump. And that you're somehow presuming that Bob fucking Woodward is going to lie about things for political gain? The man is one of the most famous and highly-regarded investigative journalists in the United States. He was one half of the two-man team that covered most of the Watergate case. He's not above such an accusation, but you'd damn well better have actual evidence if you want anyone to believe that accusation. Especially when the alternative is that known liars are lying about Woodward.

[PACOX]

They way Trump denies the truth and claims its an attack on him is exactly something a child would do...except a child will come to terms with the consequences of their actions. Trump must quadruple down until theres too much bullshit to wade through.

just as i posted this i checked twitter...

Trump linked these two stories (lol at the sources):

https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/04/s...d-allegations/

https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...h-imagination/

which sourced his tweets and used (Trump) as "proof" that Woodwards book is fake. Theres millions of students who only wished citing your work was that easy.

[Felya]

They way Trump denies the truth and claims its an attack on him is exactly something a child would do...except a child will come to terms with the consequences of their actions. Trump must quadruple down until theres too much bullshit to wade through.

Anyone claiming this is a biased attack, needs to be double checked for what they were saying when this hit in 2016:



https://www.amazon.com/Agenda-Inside.../dp/0743274075

[FeedsOnDevTears]

It absolutely is an attack on Trump.

Trump's problem is that the truth is an attack on Trump. And that you're somehow presuming that Bob fucking Woodward is going to lie about things for political gain? The man is one of the most famous and highly-regarded investigative journalists in the United States. He was one half of the two-man team that covered most of the Watergate case. He's not above such an accusation, but you'd damn well better have actual evidence if you want anyone to believe that accusation. Especially when the alternative is that known liars are lying about Woodward.

I don't think he's lying at all. I am 100% certain he can back up everything he says, and that he would be happy to pull out his evidence if required. Like if Trump is stupid enough to sue him for libel or something.

You're absolutely right. Reality is an attack on Trump. I just think it's also true that this book could not have been better timed to provoke Trump into doing something really stupid.

[Elenos]

Woodward's reputation precedes him, Trump to attack him is laughable and pathetic. This is not how it works really.

However am I to trust anonymous sources even if they are actually staffers within the administration? Absolutely fuck no. There's political games and infighting here. Trusting the word of anonymous political sources from Washington D.C.? You're a fool to do so unless backed up by other supporting evidence.

I may be willing to believe that Trump himself curses behind closed doors and treats some people poorly, but I'm not going to sit here and believe to highly decorated and capable generals like Mattis and Kelly made comments like they did.

[Trifle]

I may be willing to believe that Trump himself curses behind closed doors and treats some people poorly, but I'm not going to sit here and believe to highly decorated and capable generals like Mattis and Kelly made comments like they did.

TBH I think the fact that they're meant to be highly capable makes it more likely that they'd call Trump an idiot, not less likely.

[Halicia]

It absolutely is an attack on Trump.

Trump's problem is that the truth is an attack on Trump.

Exactly the response that came to my mind when the question of the book being an attack on Trump was raised.

Woodward: (the book is) a tough look at the world, your administration, and you.
Trump: Right, well I assume that means its gonna be a negative book.

I mean, the whole conversation is just a master's course in Trump's mindset... he spent months stonewalling any interview with Woodward, and then blames it on the fact that "he was never told" by the half dozen people, with no actual anger or surprise on his part. Same tone and manner as when Omarosa spoke to him about being fired. "Oh, they never tell me anything."

If some middle manager at a fast food joint acted like this, they'd get fired, so the fact that Trump isn't firing anyone for his claim that they aren't telling him the guy that brought down Nixon would like to discuss a story with him is bull.

Hugh Laurie may not be a real doctor, but if he called me tomorrow to discuss my test results, you're damn well certain I'd at least hear him out.

And then Trump goes on to break down how half the books about him are positive and half are negative. He simply doesn't grasp that there's a middle ground. Everyone and everything is either loyal to him, or they're enemies.

[Breccia]

Trump linked these two stories (lol at the sources):

Minutes later, Trump is claiming the book is "already discredited".

Falls into the "it's Fake News because I don't like it" category. And, yes, Trump is now saying Woodward lied.

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Oh, and the internet never forgets:



Man, that one didn't age well at all.

[PACOX]

I may be willing to believe that Trump himself curses behind closed doors and treats some people poorly, but I'm not going to sit here and believe to highly decorated and capable generals like Mattis and Kelly made comments like they did.

I believe they would make such comments, but never on record - never in such a way that could hurt the office.

[Breccia]

Normally, I would point out that Trump isn't suing for slander or libel, which confirms the book is correct.

But this time, it's different. Woodward has tapes. Hundreds of hours of tapes. And he told Trump directly. Not only does this make it very difficult to prove Woodward intentionally published a lie, but any challenge in court will almost assuredly have those tapes played and the results spilled out to the public, giving them a free second hit. Trump's lawyers are almost certainly going to refuse any order to push forward with a lawsuit -- it's unwinnable, and will cause more damage than it fixes.

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A few days after the revised death toll in Puerto Rico was re-confirmed in the thousands -- far higher than Katrina -- the GAO steps in with a second report.

The report says a few things, some of which are obvious -- it was a huge hurricane, Puerto Rico wasn't in tip-top shape beforehand, etc. But the key finding of note: 54% of FEMA employees were not qualified for their position in Oct 2017 -- the month after Puerto Rico was hit.

54%. As in, more than half.

[Dontrike]

I'm expecting more from you than this if this is your actual response.

Nope, nothing more, just me giving up and waiting for things to start burning down. I don't expect anything positive to come from any of this and for anyone to is just fooling themselves.

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All we have is this planet, and it has always been fucked up, but sometimes, temporarily, it gets a little bit better.

I'm gonna to have to disagree with you.

[Breccia]

Trump clarifies. The book is now "discredited" because Mattis and Kelly say so.

Also, Trump calls Woodward a Democrat operative.

[draynay]

Also, Trump calls Woodward a Democrat operative.

the number of "angry democrats" keeps growing, before you know it its gonna be 300 million

[Paranoid Android]

BREAKING: U.S. trade deficit widens to $50.1 billion in July on record imports. https://t.co/BvUDvITyTx

maga! Now you would say the reason is a strong economy and demand for goods. But the Orange Buffoon says he would cut our deficit.

[Belize]

Trump clarifies. The book is now "discredited" because Mattis and Kelly say so.

Also, Trump calls Woodward a Democrat operative.

Has anyone noticed the comments on Trump tweets have changed in the past ~2 months?

It used to be all pro-Trump bots/mouthbreathers (it's hard to tell them apart sorry) and it's shifted to being 99% anti-Trump stuff.

I'm trying to figure out if the pro messages are being buried or if there's less of them

[Felya]

Trump clarifies. The book is now "discredited" because Mattis and Kelly say so.

Also, Trump calls Woodward a Democrat operative.

It’s a good thing we have all the footage of Woodward making the rounds before the election, using his watergate experience, to assert Hillary was corrupt.

Oh and before any shit about him picking on Trump. Woodward wrote 2 books on Bill Clinton’s White House... neither was at all kind.

The Agenda
http://bobwoodward.com/the-agenda/

The Choice
http://bobwoodward.com/the-choice/

The following include Clinton, but he isn’t the man... protagonist?...

Shadow
http://bobwoodward.com/shadow/

This is one on Obama, but includes shots at Hillary Clinton:

Obama’s Wars
http://bobwoodward.com/obamas-wars/

[mvaliz]

I'm not a parent. The only way I'm having a child, or be with anyone to do that, is to have a genie give five wishes, and none of that is a thing, or creating a science fiction story where it happens.

All I'm saying is that sometimes you have to let the idiot hurt someone so personally that someone finally does something about it. Kelly and Mattis holding him back is just parents apologizing for their teen to the cops time and again. Sooner or later you just finally stop protecting the geriatric man baby and let the law handle him, or the eventual coup that will happen when he throws the entire world into chaos.

Not like we were doing well by the planet and those that reside on it before Trump. If you want to put up with this longer than great for you, but at this point Trump is going for his second term and things will be in such disrepair that we have no shot anymore.

I don't know about you, but thinking positive never did anything for anyone.

When was the last time life gave you what you wanted, especially when it came to Trump?

Wow...

OK, let me start with saying this at least: I get what you're saying. I understand, especially when you project your step-brother into this. I also have an older sibling (I cannot call him my "brother" out of disgust) who is a deplorable lying con-artist racist douchebag whom I also suspect is a Neo-Nazi. I'm waiting for the schadenfreude day when he does something incredibly stupid so that my family will realize the horrible mistake he is, and that I was right about him.

I, however, do NOT want him to hurt people nor start a war that will ultimately effect me. And if I deliberately don't get in the way KNOWING he will do something stupid and that he may be caught, that also makes me complicit. This is why Mattis interfered. If he let Dump do as you so desired, HE would've also been on the ticket for ALLOWING it to happen - and will be culpable. If your Step-Brother needed to go through you to extort the credit cards, would you have done so for him? EDIT: You could argue that you could go to the police first and set up a wire-tap/sting... but we're talking GENOCIDE here, not a wiretap fraud case!

I get it - you want Dump to commit an unabashed crime himself red-handed as it feels easier/safer... but there's PLENTY of avenues for him to end this on his own WITHOUT having to start mass-genocide. You only feel this works because it doesn't effect YOU right now. This, by the way, is the primary problem with all Republicans, Deplorables and Objectivist/Ayn Randians. And yes, I mean "Right now" as in "It WILL effect YOU!". I think causing World War III will impact your world a HELUVALOT more than getting Dumbass Donnie Dump deposed.

I get it, you want to be expedient and patience is wearing thin - but don't burn your own home down just to get rid of the spider on the wall. After all, isn't the whole POINT of getting Dump out to bring your home back to sanity/safety?