Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[hellhamster]

Nasdaq futures are at 21,180, a level last seen on January 16th, it could honestly be way worse. Let's see how the actual open is handled and how the DXY moves before we start doomposting.

[LeGin v4]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post54634286

You can inject all the caricatures in your own mind that you like. That part is your affair. If you're talking to me, I do hope you hold political beliefs that you think others will come to agree with you in time.

Let's get this straight:

Trump's actions have plunged America into a legal and constitutional crisis. We are witnessing an unprecedented transfer of power from the legislative to the executive branches of government conducted in the most senseless and base way possible. It is a hatchet job.

This is not up for debate. This is quantifiable.

When documented white supremacists like Musk & Miller are then appointed to positions of power in said executive branches of government, do not be surprised that there accusations of a "fascist coup".

I have no interest in whether you agree or not. I have no interest in changing your mind.

I think people can ask civilly and expect a civil response.

As for civility:

I don't live in America. I feel sorry for the Americans who didn't vote for Trump and who'll suffer as a result of this. I feel sorry for all of us who'll be affected by the consequences of a destructive trade war and the wider political instability Trump is fomenting.

In the UK, like other European countries, we too have seen a significant rise in support for the far-right. This is not an American-only issue. However, and to get to the point: if any fascist, at home or abroad, tries to impose their evil views on me and mine, I will cease being civil.

[Pannonian]

I think people can ask civilly and expect a civil response.

Nah, Nazis dont get to tone police.

[Wyrt]

How does Trump expect the US to not have a trade deficit with Canada exactly? There aren't enough Canadians to buy American stuff to match the number of Americans buying Canadian stuff. It's just not possible. Trump's basically saying the trade war is going to go on forever.

[s_bushido]

How does Trump expect the US to not have a trade deficit with Canada exactly? There aren't enough Canadians to buy American stuff to match the number of Americans buying Canadian stuff. It's just not possible. Trump's basically saying the trade war is going to go on forever.

Because Trump is a fucking moron who has no idea what he's doing or what he's saying at any given time?

[Wyrt]

Trump may be a moron, but someone around him is pushing this and it's pretty clear by the insane demands that are impossible to meet that the intention is to destabilize the global economy.

[PhaelixWW]

Reposting for relevance:

You know... the kind of shit we're going to learn in 20-30 years when all the tell-all books have been released and investigative reports have been unsealed...

Yeah, history will not look kindly on the MAGA era of US politics.

[Flarelaine]

Such a racist xenophobic hateful country ( I know not everyone is but these people in your government are destroying your reputation worldwide).

The country as a whole voted to be racist, xenophobic and hateful for the next 4 years.

[DarkTZeratul]

Trump may be a moron, but someone around him is pushing this and it's pretty clear by the insane demands that are impossible to meet that the intention is to destabilize the global economy.

I'm fairly certain, in this case, that it's purely Trump being a moron. The man thinks of literally every transaction as both adversarial and zero-sum, where both parties are always trying to screw each other, and for one party to win the other party has to lose; a win-win scenario just means one party doesn't know they're getting cheated. Therefore, in his mind, a trade deficit means America is losing. And that means he needs to put the screws to other countries and force them to comply. It doesn't matter that everything he thinks he knows about international trade is completely, utterly wrong, or that this will have devastating short-term AND long-term effects. He is a living Dunning-Kruger Effect, convinced of his own genius despite it bearing no resemblance to reality.

I know it's tempting to think there's some shadowy force manipulating Trump here, but I truly, genuinely think this is "legitimately" just a Mad King scenario. Remember, he started playing around with heavy tariffs the first time, and just kind of ignored that it not only had the effect of driving some American manufacturing OUT of the country, but caused such a massive deficit for farmers that the government had to give them a massive bailout. That's he doubling down now, especially when he's been talking about it for literal years since he was ousted in 2020, should come as no great surprise whatsoever and doesn't really need much other explanation.

[Doomcookie]

I think people can ask civilly and expect a civil response. If they have to preface an inquiry with a list of slurs and diatribes or accusations, then they've shown exactly their intent and seriousness.

You've managed to refrain from adding in some MAGAbillies and "their god" and DonOlds, so I know such a thing is in fact accomplishable.

I asked you civilly, and you refused to answer.

Civilly, why did you lie for years, and spread misinformation for a rapist?

Please answer civilly.

[s_bushido]

Trump may be a moron, but someone around him is pushing this and it's pretty clear by the insane demands that are impossible to meet that the intention is to destabilize the global economy.

I'm yet to be convinced that any of the people around him are any more competent than he is. Yes, the result may be to destabilize the global economy, but the plan so far is probably no more complicated than "get ours while we can and fuck literally everyone else." If Trump gets to play at being the big man on the world's stage while they're doing it...so much the better.

[Elenos]

If the Germans could stop being absolutely fucking retarded for 11.23 seconds...the EU could do retaliatory tariffs paired with an economic stimulus package and new trade negotiations with Canada, Mexico...and yes, China. But it won't happen because the Germans will spazz the fuck out, deport some random people and go "REEEEEEEEEEEEE MOAR AUSTERITY" and drive their own economy into deep recession, close some more non-coal power plants they might have missed, buy some more Russian energy, and drag the rest of Europe along into recession.

Have you ever considered that the foreign policy and trade policy of various nations....is you know based on their actual interests?

And those interests are not anti-Trump?

The reality is there is no replacement for the US, there's is no plan, no coalition of nations that can go toe to toe against the US on economics and win, even IF there was an ability to get every nation in the EU, Canada, Mexico and China to get on the same page ( and that IF is big as mount Everest I should add ).

Fundamentally, yeah Trump and those around him have decided that the system that has worked for decades is not worth it any more. America built it, America will end it, and there's jack we can do about it.

Europe has neither the will, ability or competence to do what some people think it should to challenge the US on this.

You know all those memes about "X" country stronk?

Well the US is actually strong. Like the most powerful nation in human history WITHOUT comparison.

[Surfd]

I'm still just completely floored at how Musk and his DOGE cronies have managed to penetrate so far into what should be VERY FUCKING SECURE government databases and literally nobody has put up more than token resistance?

Like, fucking hell, NONE of the DOGE crew are Government Agents. DOGE is not an actual government entity. They are supposed to be an advisory committee at best. So how the fuck are these shitweasels just waltzing into government offices and demanding access to shit they 1000% don't have even the basic security clearance to be anywhere in the same building as without just straight up being arrested?

There should have been emergency sessions of congress being called days ago when even the barest suggestion of something like that happening was brought up. Is your entire government just completely paralyzed by the sheer, unprecedented audacity of the level of balls out flouting of government regulations and the amount of overreach that's going on here?

Like, there's absolutely no way that any member of DOGE has any authority to be anywhere near pretty much everything they currently have their grubby little mitts in, so WHY THE FUCK IS NOBODY DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT??????? This shit should be triggering national outrage and straight up FBI takedowns and shit, but instead we've basically had nothing. Not a peep. Barely even a few sternly wagged fingers on facebook or twitter.

I don't get it. I just don't. This DOGE shit is just so far beyond the pale it's mindbowing, yet the pushback seems almost non existent.

[Elenos]

I'm still just completely floored at how Musk and his DOGE cronies have managed to penetrate so far into what should be VERY FUCKING SECURE government databases and literally nobody has put up more than token resistance?

Like, fucking hell, NONE of the DOGE crew are Government Agents. DOGE is not an actual government entity. They are supposed to be an advisory committee at best. So how the fuck are these shitweasels just waltzing into government offices and demanding access to shit they 1000% don't have even the basic security clearance to be anywhere in the same building as without just straight up being arrested?

Because the president says they can. Good luck stopping the executive from doing things on a purely executive aspect.

[DarkTZeratul]

Like, fucking hell, NONE of the DOGE crew are Government Agents. DOGE is not an actual government entity. They are supposed to be an advisory committee at best. So how the fuck are these shitweasels just waltzing into government offices and demanding access to shit they 1000% don't have even the basic security clearance to be anywhere in the same building as without just straight up being arrested?

Because the Treasury Secretary told them to, and everyone that's stood in their way has been fired.

There should have been emergency sessions of congress being called days ago when even the barest suggestion of something like that happening was brought up. Is your entire government just completely paralyzed by the sheer, unprecedented audacity of the level of balls out flouting of government regulations and the amount of overreach that's going on here?

Yes, but also both chambers of Congress are controlled by Republican stooges who are perfectly happy to let Musk do whatever the fuck he's going to do.

[Kiria]

The country as a whole voted to be racist, xenophobic and hateful for the next 4 years.

It's such a sad state of affairs :*(

[Breccia]

Thanks, but your continued lack of commentary on the actual goings on of the Donald administratio

On the contrary, @tehdang has spoken volumes. Let me remind you of two things:

1) As a Trump supporter, tehdang is assumed to, well, support Trump and approve of his actions, the safe and logical assumption unless he specifically and directly says something different. He hasn't.

2) Trump supporters often run here to shriek Trump's name whenever he does literally anything that even appears to work. He hasn't. Not even talking points.

Therefore, tehdang has very helpfully volunteered that what Trump is doing is indefensible, but he supports and approves anyhow. He is saying, loud and clear, that the chaos and failure is exactly what he wanted.

The proof?

If you have something specific to ask, ask it or tag, and be civil.

I have asked tehdang something specific. Over and over. Dozens. Scores. tehdang answered...twice, maybe? Three times?

But beyond that, the context is blatantly fucking obvious. Trump started a trade war and tehdang has yet to once say "I don't think this is a good idea".

Therefore, he does. His refusal to answer speaks louder and truer than anything he's typed. This is what he voted for. This is what he wants. He announces it with every non-post where he pretends to not know what you're asking.

Thanks for again proving my point.

He has. So have all the other Trump supporters who watch this unfold, like when Trump directly defended Nazis or pardoned a thousand violent terrorists, and said nothing. They are saying "this is what I wanted" and should be quoted as such, which I will now do:

I support the trade war, even as I admit it's a bad idea

[Timester]

How does Trump expect the US to not have a trade deficit with Canada exactly? There aren't enough Canadians to buy American stuff to match the number of Americans buying Canadian stuff. It's just not possible. Trump's basically saying the trade war is going to go on forever.

Because he is a senile old man that care less about the tomorrow. Common among old people with dementia, they don't give a fuck about consequences because their mind no longer thinks of them.

Trump may be a moron, but someone around him is pushing this and it's pretty clear by the insane demands that are impossible to meet that the intention is to destabilize the global economy.

I truly believe this is 100% Trump's mind and everyone else is just trying to grift and being yesman. No one actually wins with this.

[Draco-Onis]

Trump may be a moron, but someone around him is pushing this and it's pretty clear by the insane demands that are impossible to meet that the intention is to destabilize the global economy.

His demand is that Canada and Mexico become part of the United States, he is the type of person that once an idea is in is head it never gets out. i doubt there is anything Canada and Mexico can do that will please him. He already made a deal with Mexico and Canada, whatever those countries agree to would only be temporary in a few months he will find a new reason to do stupid shit.

[Timester]

Have you ever considered that the foreign policy and trade policy of various nations....is you know based on their actual interests?

And those interests are not anti-Trump?

The reality is there is no replacement for the US, there's is no plan, no coalition of nations that can go toe to toe against the US on economics and win, even IF there was an ability to get every nation in the EU, Canada, Mexico and China to get on the same page ( and that IF is big as mount Everest I should add ).

Fundamentally, yeah Trump and those around him have decided that the system that has worked for decades is not worth it any more. America built it, America will end it, and there's jack we can do about it.

Europe has neither the will, ability or competence to do what some people think it should to challenge the US on this.

You know all those memes about "X" country stronk?

Well the US is actually strong. Like the most powerful nation in human history WITHOUT comparison.

You are acting like the world doesn't quickly adapt to changes. There are many other sellers around.

I know it's tempting to think there's some shadowy force manipulating Trump here, but I truly, genuinely think this is "legitimately" just a Mad King scenario. Remember, he started playing around with heavy tariffs the first time, and just kind of ignored that it not only had the effect of driving some American manufacturing OUT of the country, but caused such a massive deficit for farmers that the government had to give them a massive bailout. That's he doubling down now, especially when he's been talking about it for literal years since he was ousted in 2020, should come as no great surprise whatsoever and doesn't really need much other explanation.

The last Mad King tried a tariff war America lost an independence war.