Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Flarelaine]

nobody loves redistribution of wealth like republicans, redistribute wealth from the lower and middle class to the super rich, baby

I think we should cut down on the prefix bloat. What they love is plain old tribute.

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You know all those memes about "X" country stronk?

Well the US is actually strong. Like the most powerful nation in human history WITHOUT comparison.

The US is a colossus.

On feet of clay.

[Teriz]

It's astonishing how quickly Republicans have completely abandoned conservative policy for Trumpism. This guy is purposely torpedoing American power across the board, and MAGA is sitting back clapping for it like a bunch of stooges. He's essentially ending the American age and handing the reigns over to China. I don't know if he's too stupid to realize this, but we're heading into a ditch that we won't be able to dig ourselves out of, because no one will trust American leadership after this.

[Breccia]

no one will trust American leadership after this.

Such an odd path for the Republicans, or anyone really, to follow. "You can't trust the government, all they do is lie and hurt you. See, I'll demonstrate."

[Mayhem]

Have you ever considered that the foreign policy and trade policy of various nations....is you know based on their actual interests?

And those interests are not anti-Trump?

The reality is there is no replacement for the US, there's is no plan, no coalition of nations that can go toe to toe against the US on economics and win, even IF there was an ability to get every nation in the EU, Canada, Mexico and China to get on the same page ( and that IF is big as mount Everest I should add ).

Fundamentally, yeah Trump and those around him have decided that the system that has worked for decades is not worth it any more. America built it, America will end it, and there's jack we can do about it.

Europe has neither the will, ability or competence to do what some people think it should to challenge the US on this.

You know all those memes about "X" country stronk?

Well the US is actually strong. Like the most powerful nation in human history WITHOUT comparison.

Dude, there are only 340 million of them and more than 60% are broke. Them buying our shit is because we trust them to come up with money later.

[Rennadrel]

His demand is that Canada and Mexico become part of the United States, he is the type of person that once an idea is in is head it never gets out. i doubt there is anything Canada and Mexico can do that will please him. He already made a deal with Mexico and Canada, whatever those countries agree to would only be temporary in a few months he will find a new reason to do stupid shit.

Which will never happen because neither of us will allow it. I want nothing to do with Americans, I like my own cultural identity as a Canadian, not to mention the last thing the world needs is more dipshits voting for dicktaters like Trump on this side of the boarder. It's bad enough we have Crypto Millhouse who is already a Republican bootlicker who is more than likely going to get elected this year.

And well, I work in the automotive manufacturing sector and like many of my colleagues, including the more conservative guys, all are worried about our jobs. Given how tied at the hip we are to the US automotive industry, these tariffs could literally destroy the entire industry in North America.

[Elenos]

Dude, there are only 340 million of them and more than 60% are broke. Them buying our shit is because we trust them to come up with money later.

America alone represents more than 1/4 of the entire global economy. Canada meanwhile is like 2.5%.

[Breccia]

America alone represents more than 1/4 of the entire global economy. Canada meanwhile is like 2.5%.

True, and this is America's dick Trump is throwing around. Sadly, it's up to the rest of the world to prove that the size of America's dick means nothing if he won't stop beating you. I'm not kidding when I say the rest of the world needs to unite and fight back, that's how you handle bullies, even if it's US.

[Elenos]

True, and this is America's dick Trump is throwing around. Sadly, it's up to the rest of the world to prove that the size of America's dick means nothing if he won't stop beating you. I'm not kidding when I say the rest of the world needs to unite and fight back, that's how you handle bullies, even if it's US.

IF Canada+Europe+China+Mexico were to unite to fight the US on an economic ground it would at best be an even fight ( since the US has other advantages beyond it's size, like concentration of banking, investors etc. ), and that would assume a coordinated, cohesive level of unity.

It will never happen given current politics.

Welcome to the new age.

[Breccia]

IF Canada+Europe+China+Mexico were

I meant everyone. The EU is likely going to have a vested interest soon. South America can't be far behind.

Trump is telling the world he wants to be in charge of it. We're seeing how bad of an idea that would be. Don't listen.

[Wilian]

I think people can ask civilly and expect a civil response. If they have to preface an inquiry with a list of slurs and diatribes or accusations, then they've shown exactly their intent and seriousness.

You've managed to refrain from adding in some MAGAbillies and "their god" and DonOlds, so I know such a thing is in fact accomplishable.

You fap to genocide, you don't have a say about "civil discourse"

[Fugus]

I’m not sure of the actual percentages but assuming the US is 1/4 of the worlds total economy, I am betting China + Russia combined also make up a decent chunk of the rest and those countries and logic with the rest of BRICCS are pretty well in the “Anything but the US” camp. So Canada and Mexico moving away from the US gets easier than many realize, especially if the EU starts getting pushed away from the US more.

[Elder Millennial]

Europe has neither the will, ability or competence to do what some people think it should to challenge the US on this.

There's a fuckton Europe could do to protect its own interests if it could for roughly 10 minutes stop self immolating on the altar of "austerity" and "being deathly afraid of any public investment and calling it fiscal responsibility".

And the absolute kings of that self immolation are the fucking Germans.

[Paetolus]

Ford 'ripping up' Ontario's $100M contract with Elon Musk's Starlink in wake of U.S. tariffs

Progressive Conservative Leader Doug Ford is "ripping up" Ontario's nearly $100 million contract with Elon Musk's Starlink in the wake of U.S. tariffs on virtually all Canadian goods, he said in a statement Monday.

The contract, signed in November, was meant to provide high-speed internet access through Starlink's satellite service to 15,000 eligible homes and businesses in rural, remote and northern communities by June of this year.

Ford said Ontario will ban American companies from provincial contracts until U.S. tariffs are removed.

"Ontario won't do business with people hellbent on destroying our economy," he said in the statement.

Elon probably seething right. Tbh, I didn't expect Ford to do this. Canadians seem pretty united in their hate for Trump right now.

[Belize]

Ford 'ripping up' Ontario's $100M contract with Elon Musk's Starlink in wake of U.S. tariffs



Elon probably seething right. Tbh, I didn't expect Ford to do this. Canadians seem pretty united in their hate for Trump right now.

Damn, I called Ford an approximately human shaped homunculus made from leftover slug parts in the past, but he has more of a backbone than I thought.

Or he's enough of a political animal to smell which way the wind in blowing and knows to realign.

[Draco-Onis]

IF Canada+Europe+China+Mexico were to unite to fight the US on an economic ground it would at best be an even fight ( since the US has other advantages beyond it's size, like concentration of banking, investors etc. ), and that would assume a coordinated, cohesive level of unity.

It will never happen given current politics.

Welcome to the new age.

There is no IF we are already there it's the US vs the world in a tariff war, we started this and we are putting tariffs on the entire world. The entire world will still trade with the US but they will be united in their retaliation.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Donald, no. POTUS is immune for all things while in office, per SCOTUS. Though the limits of that are yet to be tested. Elon no too, because he'll just get a full pardon for everything before Donald leaves office.

Shame. Hopefully what Evers left can take those off the table when America has to rebuild as at this rate it’s gonna need to be from the ground up.

[Elenos]

There is no IF we are already there it's the US vs the world in a tariff war, we started this and we are putting tariffs on the entire world. The entire world will still trade with the US but they will be united in their retaliation.

You have a vast overestimation of the ability of the world being able to unite on any subject and I say this as a European.

I meant everyone. The EU is likely going to have a vested interest soon. South America can't be far behind.

Trump is telling the world he wants to be in charge of it. We're seeing how bad of an idea that would be. Don't listen.

It should occur to Americans that the way the world behaves is not the way you think it should behave. There are countries, many of them in fact, that will play ball with what the US does.

Because it just suits them, or because they lack the ability or will to do otherwise.

There's a fuckton Europe could do to protect its own interests if it could for roughly 10 minutes stop self immolating on the altar of "austerity" and "being deathly afraid of any public investment and calling it fiscal responsibility".

And the absolute kings of that self immolation are the fucking Germans.

There's a lot in theory that we could do over here in Europe, but given how our national politics are playing out...well let's just say I'd sooner expect the Sahara desert to become a verdant paradise.

[Ivanstone]

You have a vast overestimation of the ability of the world being able to unite on any subject and I say this as a European.

You have a vast overestimation of Trump's will power. Only the Deep Cult is willing to pay more for eggs. Everyone else is getting tired of it already.

[Breccia]

It should occur to Americans that the way the world behaves is not the way you think it should behave. There are countries, many of them in fact, that will play ball with what the US does.

Because it just suits them, or because they lack the ability or will to do otherwise.

What has happened so far, and what will happen over the next four years, is a very good reason to take that line of thinking and ask "is it really the case?" This is a 1930's German telling a 1930's Allied country "Germany is going nuts, unite while you can". Maybe listen this time.

[Draco-Onis]

You have a vast overestimation of the ability of the world being able to unite on any subject and I say this as a European.

I am not saying that there will be an unified front more like people on a boat heading towards the same direction. The entire world will still trade with the US but they will react in the same manner and they will be forced to trade more with each other to blunt the impact of US actions. There doesn't need to be a uniworld type of movement it's just all parties benefits from this.