Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[PhaelixWW]

Everyone's either chick or a broad.

Whoa, whoa... what's with the 120 genders, eh?

There's only one gender, according to Mother Nature!

[xenogear3]

For the extermination camps, why do not send them back to their own countries?

Did they commit crimes?

[gondrin]

https://archive.is/KNV0J

archive link

a few bits



I've seen a lot of mixed reactions to Donald from the Indian community in my neck of the woods, including fair bit of support. I'll be curious to see how many folks in the community react to this news, since I don't think Donald has singled out Indians for deportation specifically, yet.



That, I didn't know.



That...sounds like server understaffing for 30,000 prisoners at the concentration camp.

As far as the Indian workers go, it is the same with workers from China or other people from overseas. It is usually they get a temporary work visa or get a student visa then just basically overstay. It doesn't surprise me one bit this is the case seeing as both Musk in some fashion and Melania are both guilty of this.

[postman1782]

For the extermination camps, why do not send them back to their own countries?

Did they commit crimes?

Most of them? No.

[gondrin]

given the EO that redefine everyone as "women", based on gender at conception, those are the two new acceptable genders in the USA. Everyone's either chick or a broad.

Nah. I'll use this one. Yes, it is offensive but I'll let a one Mr. Gunnery Sergeant Phil Hartman say it.



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So hey, you know that thing about how Elon and his goon squad is going in and it looks like they are doing things regardless of what the President, Congress or anyone has to say about it? Well, basically, it pretty much is like that. Leaked audio basically confirms that when they take over a team that was already there, they are told to just do it anyway even if it illegal and will deal with that when they come to it.

So, Trump supporters, how do you feel now about your private data like your SSN, your home address, your phone number, your tax information, your bank information(if they get into the IRS databases) and the like since they use their own private computers that they refuse to let anyone inspect and actively transmits that data off-site to a site that is not government based.

Don't get me wrong here. Most of my personal data is out there due to breaches. However, unless you actively combine 2 of those things, each one of those things have no actual identifying markers as if you take my SSN but don't have my name, it is literally just a number. If you take my SSN and then my name and Date of birth, then you can actively open loans in my name, impersonate me and cause my bank to give you access and drain my bank accounts and the like. This is why Elon and his team need to be stopped. Because this literally has the potential to get bad for all that are affected. And if you think that Elon supports you, think again. Elon supports Elon. And if he can actively use your data to benefit himself AND cause harm to someone else, he will do that as he loves to hurt others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...8047524e&ei=10

Leaked audio: Musk employee allegedly urges agency to 'push forward' with 'illegal act'

Employees of Elon Musk have made their way inside the highest echelons of several influential government agencies. And in new audio allegedly obtained from a recent meeting, one Musk associate is heard calling on colleagues to forge ahead with a plan one employee described as "illegal."

404 Media reported Tuesday that Musk's employees — who have seized control of operations within the U.S. Treasury, the Office of Personnel Management (which houses the federal government's human resources functions) and the General Services Administration (GSA), which is the agency responsible for the construction, oversight and maintenance of all federal buildings — are now planning to incorporate artificial intelligence (AI) throughout federal agencies.

Tesla engineer Thomas Shedd, who now leads the GSA's Technology Transformation Services (TTS), said during a recent meeting that he hoped to transform the login.gov website federal employees use for work to more easily incorporate with the Social Security Administration "to further identify individuals and detect and prevent fraud." He specifically mentioned wanting to train AI on government contracts.

“We want to start implementing more AI at the agency level and be an example for how other agencies can start leveraging AI ... that’s one example of something that we’re looking for people to work on,” Shedd said during the meeting, according to 404. “Things like making AI coding agents available for all agencies. One that we've been looking at and trying to work on immediately within GSA, but also more broadly, is a centralized place to put contracts so we can run analysis on those contracts.”

Musk employees training AI on analyzing contracts would be a significant conflict of interest for Musk, as his companies currently make billions of dollars from contracts with the federal government. The Los Angeles Times reported in November that since SpaceX was founded in 2002, it has received approximately $21 billion in federal contracts.

According to audio of the meeting obtained by 404 Media, one employee during that meeting said that aggregating data with login.gov would be an "illegal task," as the Privacy Act "forbids agencies [from] sharing personal information without consent." But Shedd reportedly shrugged off those concerns and said workers with 18F (a TTS team that writes software for federal agencies) should carry on with the original plan unless they hit a "roadblock."

"The idea would be that folks would give consent to help with the login flow,” Shedd said. “But again, that's an example of something that we have a vision, that needs worked on, and needs clarified. And if we hit a roadblock, then we hit a roadblock. But we still should push forward and see what we can do.”

One of 404's sources told the outlet that "the reaction of the team, the whole group of 18F and TTS is pretty unanimously negative" in response to Shedd's remarks. They also expressed fear that 18F would be gutted and replaced by a team of software engineers who would report to Musk, rather than the GSA.

"The administration views TTS and 18F as a pool of talent that it will draw from, that it will poach from," the source said. "And it will take the people from TTS that it wants, and then most of the organization will wither away."

An FAQ posted to login.gov suggests that attempts to aggregate Social Security data is fluid. The site warns users to "not send Login.gov sensitive data about yourself or identifying numbers."

And this is one of the reasons why I have all of my credit purposefully locked indefinitely unless I unlock it, I set my credit cards to alert me to purchases of any size and I check my bank account each day. I have had my identity stolen before and I can easily correct things if I know about them pretty much when they happen. I've had my bank account drained of thousands of dollars before because someone stole my debit card so this is why I do not have one.

So, once again Trump supporters, how do you feel now about Elon and his team knowing that they are going to do it regardless of what anyone thinks, use their own hardware, send your personal identifying information off-site and use it for who knows what? Because I sure as the hell don't like it in any way and since this article is out there, I will personally hold them accountable and hopefully many others, for any damages that come from this.

[Kaleredar]

For the extermination camps, why do not send them back to their own countries?

Did they commit crimes?

"CleARly ThE CRimE waS thAt tHey'RE IllEGaL!" ~ Some MAGAt, probably

[gondrin]

"CleARly ThE CRimE waS thAt tHey'RE IllEGaL!" ~ Some MAGAt, probably

You say that sarcastically but no, that is EXACTLY what some of the more extreme MAGA people do say.

[Edge-]

Nah. I'll use this one. Yes, it is offensive but I'll let a one Mr. Gunnery Sergeant Phil Hartman say it.



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So hey, you know that thing about how Elon and his goon squad is going in and it looks like they are doing things regardless of what the President, Congress or anyone has to say about it? Well, basically, it pretty much is like that. Leaked audio basically confirms that when they take over a team that was already there, they are told to just do it anyway even if it illegal and will deal with that when they come to it.

So, Trump supporters, how do you feel now about your private data like your SSN, your home address, your phone number, your tax information, your bank information(if they get into the IRS databases) and the like since they use their own private computers that they refuse to let anyone inspect and actively transmits that data off-site to a site that is not government based.

Don't get me wrong here. Most of my personal data is out there due to breaches. However, unless you actively combine 2 of those things, each one of those things have no actual identifying markers as if you take my SSN but don't have my name, it is literally just a number. If you take my SSN and then my name and Date of birth, then you can actively open loans in my name, impersonate me and cause my bank to give you access and drain my bank accounts and the like. This is why Elon and his team need to be stopped. Because this literally has the potential to get bad for all that are affected. And if you think that Elon supports you, think again. Elon supports Elon. And if he can actively use your data to benefit himself AND cause harm to someone else, he will do that as he loves to hurt others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...8047524e&ei=10



And this is one of the reasons why I have all of my credit purposefully locked indefinitely unless I unlock it, I set my credit cards to alert me to purchases of any size and I check my bank account each day. I have had my identity stolen before and I can easily correct things if I know about them pretty much when they happen. I've had my bank account drained of thousands of dollars before because someone stole my debit card so this is why I do not have one.

So, once again Trump supporters, how do you feel now about Elon and his team knowing that they are going to do it regardless of what anyone thinks, use their own hardware, send your personal identifying information off-site and use it for who knows what? Because I sure as the hell don't like it in any way and since this article is out there, I will personally hold them accountable and hopefully many others, for any damages that come from this.

hey, do you think audio of people admitting to knowingly engaging in likely criminal acts is like, evidence of a crime?

unleashing AI in government systems without extremely careful planning, safeguards, and precautions is basically the worst fucking idea imaginable.

someone will discover the database stored on an unsecured server with the default password, in plantext or some shit given the competency of this outfit

[Xyonai]

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I mean the only big Conservatives who still post here are an Elon Bootsniffer and a Chatbot trained on r/con, so I don't think you're going to get a genuine response beyond 'lmao cope' or some nonsense about this being 'the agenda' and ignoring why this is insane.

[Edge-]

republicans spent years decrying "technocrats"

and then they sent a south african born technocrat to the white house to do whatever he wants, ignoring rules and laws, including trying to deploy untested, unsafe, opaque AI at scale without oversight or transparency. congress doesn't even know what's going on, nobody has been told

absolutely fucking wild times

[gondrin]

republicans spent years decrying "technocrats"

and then they sent a south african born technocrat to the white house to do whatever he wants, ignoring rules and laws, including trying to deploy untested, unsafe, opaque AI at scale without oversight or transparency. congress doesn't even know what's going on, nobody has been told

absolutely fucking wild times

Honestly, I hope it is basically them that get fucked over the most. Literally them. Let these people who enabled Trump to allow Elon to do this shit be the first ones that get their identity stolen, their bank accounts get raided(with the added benefit that if the FDIC is removed, is now uninsured so it won't get replaced) and the like.

I know others will be but I want them to be the first and the worst affected by it.

[tehdang]

In the case of Trump, it doesn't matter what limits you place on the office. Trump will just break them anyway. And after he does this Republican Congress and his following will just make bullshit excuses defending the violation of the law. Case in point, what is happening with USAID.

This is hardly an argument against limits (which don't exist). You want Trump to have an easier time of it?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH! No. I don't give a shit what his mouth piece bullshits to the public.

Again, I'm not interested in his other talking mouth piece either. Show me a report that verifies that there has been ethical breaches in the hiring process of these agencies. Not bullshit from Shitter.

Same response as before. Your inability to cope with the facts is a problem you will have to overcome if you seek to have conversations regarding the facts. I see this as a total loss for your side of the aisle. You can't defend good foreign aid packages if you're busy screaming fake news at everything you don't like to hear.

Because it isn't about curbing illegal immigration, it's attacking brown people in this country. The proof of this is Trump's detention quota. "I want 1,000 illegals arrested a day!" isn't trying to curb or resolve the problem, it's a sales pitch. Something conservatives can jerk themselves off with. It's along the same line of thinking as "I WANT A BIG WALL TO STOP PEOPLE FROM CROSSING!!!" even though over half of the illegals came in legally....

No, no, you're accusing people who want to limit immigration of attacking brown people because you don't want to participate in an honest conversation about immigration. As I said earlier, it's why this is properly called an open borders policy. Personally, you can have fun all you want with bad faith attacks on the persons involved. But I do recommend you move on from that strategy if you want to win elections and have people in power that think like you do.

You do know what a citation is right?

And foreign aid is aid we send for other countries to spend how they see fit. Don't worry about how they spend it. As long as it isn't used for malice it's none of your business.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Those are USAID grants that were public record. You have chosen the path of ignoring their existence, which is not going to be a better route than defending the indefensible. Anyways, let me know if you change your mind about it.

Thank you for proving that your Shitter links are worthless with this exceptional piece that cites nothing for your argument.

Democrats lost the issue for this exact reaction, and I thank you for the rearticulation.

In case anyone is curious how we got here, re: incapable of governing and overreach...Dems mishandling of COVID overreach coming back to fully rob them of the youth vote.

https://x.com/lxeagle17/status/1886532877791453399

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Dem mishandling regarding COVID is definitely part of the story if we're talking about all examples of overreach. But that one's its own giant subject.

I haven't seen or can't recall any good polling on Gen Z issues and how they compared to Millennials and Gen-X. If anything, COVID 19 policy made parents mad at Randi Weingarten and Blue State leadership for keeping their kids out of school and on zoom for too long (for parents that couldn't afford private school or to stay home to help homeschool).

[Breccia]

Your inability to cope with the facts is

You voted for a fraud felon conman terrorist. You lost the moral authority to say this years ago. The rest of your post is therefore summarily handwaved.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Always great checking up on news from the dumpster fire down south.

Trump wants to take over Gaza now and kick out every one living, it’s sad to think that there are American stupid enough to have not voted for Harris as a protest on Gaza and that it might have been enough to get her the win.

I’d say you get what you deserve but nobody deserves trump.

[gondrin]

Always great checking up on news from the dumpster fire down south.

Trump wants to take over Gaza now and kick out every one living, it’s sad to think that there are American stupid enough to have not voted for Harris as a protest on Gaza and that it might have been enough to get her the win.

I’d say you get what you deserve but nobody deserves trump.

Oh, this has wide disapproval from pretty much all sides outside of Zionists and other far-right people who support Israel. Otherwise, this is literally something that is actively hated by pretty much everyone else regardless of where they are on the political spectrum. The conservatives and other right wing people that aren't Zionists are basically calling bullshit to it and say "What about America first?!?!?!". The left wing spectrum is basically calling it what it is, ethnic cleansing.

I figure the GOP will get a LARGE number of phone calls and pushback from their constituents as a LOT of them do not like this.

Hey, and guess what, another thing I predicted pretty much came true. That Trump would actively try to eliminate the Palestinian people and culture.

[Mayhem]

Democrats lost the issue for this exact reaction, and I thank you for the rearticulation.

What issue did Democrats lose due to the exact reaction of not responding to hearsay? Like, the guy on X cites largely unsourced shit from 10 years ago, that would mean not only during Trumps first term but all throughout the years since there were only unqualified people accepted, which is ridiculous on so many levels.

[gondrin]

So, it is rumored that Musk with the DOGE squad is starting to target NOAA and locking out workers there. You know, NOAA, that nefarious organization that helps predict hurricanes, tornadoes and other weather events. You know, the one your local weather station uses data from to help out with their weather predictions and mapping. That nefarious organization.

https://x.com/ChrisVanHollen/status/1886977650909983175

As of now, just a rumor but it wouldn't surprise me.

[PhaelixWW]

So, it is rumored that Musk with the DOGE squad is starting to target NOAA and locking out workers there. You know, NOAA, that nefarious organization that helps predict hurricanes, tornadoes and other weather events. You know, the one your local weather station uses data from to help out with their weather predictions and mapping. That nefarious organization.

https://x.com/ChrisVanHollen/status/1886977650909983175

As of now, just a rumor but it wouldn't surprise me.

Oh, shit, how are Democrats going to control the hurricanes now? Disastrous!

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Oh, this has wide disapproval from pretty much all sides outside of Zionists and other far-right people who support Israel. Otherwise, this is literally something that is actively hated by pretty much everyone else regardless of where they are on the political spectrum. The conservatives and other right wing people that aren't Zionists are basically calling bullshit to it and say "What about America first?!?!?!". The left wing spectrum is basically calling it what it is, ethnic cleansing.

I figure the GOP will get a LARGE number of phone calls and pushback from their constituents as a LOT of them do not like this.

Hey, and guess what, another thing I predicted pretty much came true. That Trump would actively try to eliminate the Palestinian people and culture.

Stupid thing is that some trump people might complain but it will be forgotten in a week and they will go back to worshiping him until he does something that personally effects them.

[diller]

So Trump said "I deserve the Nobel peace prize but they'll never give it to me" - what a self absorbed moron.