Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[DarkTZeratul]

Dougie is only doing things that might be popular to try and save his ass given he just called an election. He's horribly unpopular and has been dismantling pivotal aspects of our infrastructure and handing out illegal contracts to his developer buddies. He's gives zero fucks about us.

Given that he un-ripped up the Starlink contract as soon as the tariffs were put on hold...

[gondrin]

Sure they are. In both these cases you're trying to publicize personal info on someone(s) with malicious intentions so that they are targeted, harassed, etc. Both are bad, regardless of who does it.

You're getting hung up on the smallest of nuances because you have no point to make. Sure, DOGE personnel should be public info since they're dealing with the public's data, but my guess is Elon is trying to protect them from the left from going after them. I mean, what are you even trying to argue for, here?

Maybe just focus on egg prices, before that talking point is also gone.

The thing is, Elon wouldn't have to do this if the whole thing was transparent. That is one of the biggest issues.

When audits happen for businesses, everything that is happening is transparent AND the business gets to make the final say. We, the people, ARE THE BUSINESS. Yet we don't get any final say in what the auditors are changing.

Elon and the DOGE team just barged into places, starting with USAID and The Treasury. Didn't say who they were, didn't say what they were doing, just barged in. Those are secured areas. And instead of coming out and saying "This is where we are starting. This is the process. We request people work with us. This is the equipment we are using.", nope. None of that. We the people have a right to know the equipment they are using, what methods they are using, the reason for something being cut and the like.

That is why people have massive issues with this. Because, as of now, as far as I or anyone else knows, the DOGE team could be stealing everyone's info, putting backdoors into things that allows them to do more shit after they are done, harming people or businesses that are competitors to Elon/Trump or using that info to go after dissenters.

This is why people are pissed off. There is NO reason for something like this to happen like it is.

[Doomcookie]

So you can argue whether it was 100 gang members or "only 30," but it falls flat just like arguing that it was "only 1 apartment complex taken over by gangs" and not "several."

It's becoming very clear these last two weeks that our agencies under Biden obviously knew where all these bad guys were, yet didn't lift a finger to apprehend them. Unconscionable, unforgivable. Voters will not forget this.

https://x.com/chrisvanderveen/status...12506348769727

Is that more or less than the number of traitors Trump pardoned?

[Belize]

Sure they are-

No. No they're not.

[Endus]

Sure they are. In both these cases you're trying to publicize personal info on someone(s) with malicious intentions so that they are targeted, harassed, etc. Both are bad, regardless of who does it.

Doxxing carries no necessary connotation of malicious intent or harassment. So no; you're again misrepresenting things.

Sure, DOGE personnel should be public info since they're dealing with the public's data, but my guess is Elon is trying to protect them from the left from going after them. I mean, what are you even trying to argue for, here?

That Elon has no business trying to prevent the public knowing who's working with DOGE. The only reason to conceal that information is because there's something to hide, like the one that turned out to be a little Nazi. Much like Musk himself.

Also, that "knowing people's personal identity" isn't a thing that's worrisome in the first place, and it makes you look like you know you're doing something bad when you act like that's a threat to you.

[Doomcookie]

Doxxing is unacceptable.

Should be noted that it appears to be coming from some third party group, its not the govt or DOGE posting this info.

In case you all even read your own articles, which half the time doesn't appear to be.

Defending Nazis is bad.

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I was referencing the "DEI targets" list or whatever it was called.

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Do you even know what my reply was referencing? Holy cow, slow down.

Supporting racists is bad.

[Endus]

Given that he un-ripped up the Starlink contract as soon as the tariffs were put on hold...

Yep. I went from "I hate Doug Ford with a fiery passion" to "okay, he sucks a lot but he's at least got the right stance towards Trump and Musk" back to "Nope, still a giant fuckwit with zero redeeming qualities".

That glimmer of temporary respect when he pretended to have a spine. Gone now, as ephemeral as that phantom backbone.

[Doomcookie]

Why are you getting so hung up on semantics? Sure, yeah, they're both bad.

But the list didn't come from the govt or DOGE so all this hand wringing over what some fringe conservative group did? You can denounce it and move on.

stop defending racists and Nazis.

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Sure they are. In both these cases you're trying to publicize personal info on someone(s) with malicious intentions so that they are targeted, harassed, etc. Both are bad, regardless of who does it.

You're getting hung up on the smallest of nuances because you have no point to make. Sure, DOGE personnel should be public info since they're dealing with the public's data, but my guess is Elon is trying to protect them from the left from going after them. I mean, what are you even trying to argue for, here?

Maybe just focus on egg prices, before that talking point is also gone.

Perhaps you should stop defending Nazis and racists.

[Moralgy]

Surely Democrats can put a target on someone's head going forward and we won't be somewhat concerned at all right?

[Jastall]

Dougie is only doing things that might be popular to try and save his ass given he just called an election. He's horribly unpopular and has been dismantling pivotal aspects of our infrastructure and handing out illegal contracts to his developer buddies. He gives zero fucks about us.

Oh yeah, I had lost that in the tumult. Ford is a slime ball. As close to a Trump as we got in Canada. Him posturing harder than others on the tariff front doesn't make up for his past actions.

[gondrin]

Doxxing carries no necessary connotation of malicious intent or harassment. So no; you're again misrepresenting things.



That Elon has no business trying to prevent the public knowing who's working with DOGE. The only reason to conceal that information is because there's something to hide, like the one that turned out to be a little Nazi. Much like Musk himself.

Also, that "knowing people's personal identity" isn't a thing that's worrisome in the first place, and it makes you look like you know you're doing something bad when you act like that's a threat to you.

On the subject of that kid's firing.

Guess what? He is going to be hired back because, why the fuck not.

I hate linking X because it is a cesspool but it is the only thing that shows this and it is coming directly from the Nazi's mouth.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1887957783783391423

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So, the job report comes out, people are decently happy about it. Except for one group.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...-jobs-reports/

[Moralgy]

On the subject of that kid's firing.

Guess what? He is going to be hired back because, why the fuck not.

I hate linking X because it is a cesspool but it is the only thing that shows this and it is coming directly from the Nazi's mouth.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1887957783783391423

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So, the job report comes out, people are decently happy about it. Except for one group.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...-jobs-reports/

I'm guessing we will have negative unemployment by February, or at least the official statement will say it.

[Endus]

Surely Democrats can put a target on someone's head going forward and we won't be somewhat concerned at all right?

Who's being targeted and why?

If they're a bigot or a Nazi or have some other deep ethical failing, fuck em. They're entitled to nothing, and any negative treatment their exposure generates for them is 130% their fault.

Funny how context matters, eh?

[Edge-]

So, the job report comes out, people are decently happy about it. Except for one group.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...-jobs-reports/

Of course the White House did not link to the jobs report.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...a/78315117007/

Hiring slowed in January as U.S. employers added 143,000 jobs amid the Los Angeles wildfires, frigid weather across much of the nation and uncertainty generated by President Donald Trump’s trade and immigration policies.

But payroll gains for the previous two months were revised up by 100,000, depicting an even more robust picture of the labor market at the end of 2024.

The unemployment rate, which is calculated from a separate survey, fell from 4.1% to 4%, an eight-month low, the Labor Department said Friday.

Economists had estimated that 170,000 jobs were added last month, according to the median estimate of those surveyed by Bloomberg.

But November's employment gains were revised up from 212,000 to 261,000, and December's from 256,000 to 307,000, booming additions that partly coincided with a burst of small business optimism after Trump's election victory in early November.

So undershot projections by around 30K, but more than made up for it with 100K additional jobs added to payrolls in Nov/Dec.

Not that the POTUS has the biggest impact on hiring and unemployment to begin with, if donald wants to blame this "bad" performance on biden, then the good performance is attributed to biden, too.

[Xyonai]

Of course the White House did not link to the jobs report.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...a/78315117007/



So undershot projections by around 30K, but more than made up for it with 100K additional jobs added to payrolls in Nov/Dec.

Not that the POTUS has the biggest impact on hiring and unemployment to begin with, if donald wants to blame this "bad" performance on biden, then the good performance is attributed to biden, too.

tbh I'm surprised they're not running with some 'See? Jobs are back because JObs like us!' nonsense like they did early in Trump's first term.

[Edge-]

tbh I'm surprised they're not running with some 'See? Jobs are back because JObs like us!' nonsense like they did early in Trump's first term.

They just looked at 140K < 170K and consequently BAD ECONOMY BAD NUMBER.

These are not sophisticated thinkers or thorough readers, nor are they trying to speak to a remotely sophisticated or informed audience.

[Jaransan]

Dougie is only doing things that might be popular to try and save his ass given he just called an election. He's horribly unpopular and has been dismantling pivotal aspects of our infrastructure and handing out illegal contracts to his developer buddies. He gives zero fucks about us.

the headline is misleading tbh. He didn't rip anything up, he PAUSED that contract, then when the tariffs didn't manifest for more than a day, continued right along with it. Entirely performative.

[Elenos]

When audits happen for businesses, everything that is happening is transparent AND the business gets to make the final say. We, the people, ARE THE BUSINESS. Yet we don't get any final say in what the auditors are changing.

Elon and the DOGE team just barged into places, starting with USAID and The Treasury. Didn't say who they were, didn't say what they were doing, just barged in.

uhm not quite, the government is the business here really, the government of the people yes, but the business here is the US executive. Which is run by Donald Trump.

Who gave DOGE all the power to do this. DOGE is literally working from the Eisenhower Building, which is literally the building the president's executive team works from. It's the closest building to the West Wing.

[Edge-]

uhm not quite, the government is the business here really, the government of the people yes, but the business here is the US executive. Which is run by Donald Trump.

Who gave DOGE all the power to do this. DOGE is literally working from the Eisenhower Building, which is literally the building the president's executive team works from. It's the closest building to the West Wing.

And, as we're seeing, they didn't have many of the authorities and powers they claimed to have as they pushed to penetrate every government system without any oversight or transparency, locking out career staffers and threatening them with arrest in the process.

There's a reason Elon isn't in the West Wing, and is instead across the street from it.

Also the office has not been Congressionally authorized or funded, like how the CFPB was funded directly through the Federal Reserve in the Dodd-Frank Act.

[gondrin]

uhm not quite, the government is the business here really, the government of the people yes, but the business here is the US executive. Which is run by Donald Trump.

Who gave DOGE all the power to do this. DOGE is literally working from the Eisenhower Building, which is literally the building the president's executive team works from. It's the closest building to the West Wing.

Ok, I am going to correct myself here.

You are right. The government is the business and Trump is the CEO, so to speak. We, the people, are the shareholders. Thing is, Trump never got permission from the people(Congress) to audit the government through Musk. We the people(Congress) never agreed to someone(Musk) getting access to classified or otherwise secured servers to access the data that is on them. We, the people, never agreed to allow him(Musk) to modify or change that data. We, the people, never agreed to allow him to close down or shutter agencies without any say from the people(Congress).

There is a reason why the President cannot willingly shut down departments. There is a reason why Executive Orders, while they carry the force of law, are not law. They cannot create new law.

In fact, even the executive order creating DOGE even states that they are not allowed to access a LOT of stuff they are accessing or tasks they are doing.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...nt-efficiency/

(b) Agency Heads shall take all necessary steps, in coordination with the USDS Administrator and to the maximum extent consistent with law, to ensure USDS has full and prompt access to all unclassified agency records, software systems, and IT systems. USDS shall adhere to rigorous data protection standards.

The fact they connected unsecured hardware to those secured systems already violated this. The fact they even accessed those systems, seeing as some were classified, violated this EO. Musk is doing it regardless of what the President wants.

And it is about time for the people to demand he, or Congress, remove him.