Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Timester]

We don't need more words or debates, we need immediate action from Dems. We need arrests to be made, otherwise they're just going to keep doing what they want.

Opposition parties aren't courts or police.

An orange criminal was elected, those that elected him don't care, now you are expecting the Democrats to do something when it's not on their power? Especially when the cult and the cult-controlled media WILL use anything to use the Dems as scapegoats.

Again, all that Democrats can do right now it let the incompetents show how incompetents work and let the voters learn for their mistakes. This is nothing new, it has been the past 15 years in Europe.

[Tech614]

"Immediate action and arrests made from the dems"

Yea cause you know Nancy Pelosi can just show up at the white house and tell Trump hes under arrest or something.

Sometimes you have to just laugh at the shit that comes out of people's keyboards. These people would unironically be all for fascism if it was people that agreed with them in power, because even if such a power play was possible, it would literally be a fucking coup lmao. Same political morals as MAGAts just different suit colors. Not surprising from the ones who still think the election was rigged like Trump cultists.

The only thing dems can do is negotiate with the few sane republicans in the house to not gut SNAP and Medicaid in the budget. That should be their only priority right now because it's the only thing they can reasonably achieve as there already are more than the voting margin of republicans who are not going to vote on the current proposal.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

We don't need more words or debates, we need immediate action from Dems. We need arrests to be made, otherwise they're just going to keep doing what they want.

Arrest them? How?

Weren't you paying attention last year? The President is above the law...the Supreme Court said so.

[Shadowferal]

Same political morals as MAGAts just different suit colors.

You ignore history to make an imaginary point. Tell the class the last time an attempt of insurrection has happened in the last 50yrs. Or treason..

[Mayhem]

Only half of the country(voting populace anyways) voted as MAGAts. A significant portion of that half is going to be screwed over by policies they failed to research. The dems can't do shit except obstruct as much as possible for 2 years but in 2 years the republicans are 100% losing the house by a large margin and probably losing the Senate by a small margin.

The doomers talking about no more elections can't be taken serious as of right now. It's just fear mongering, ofc that's what the fascists want but there is nothing showing they have the power to force it into existence especially when elections are controlled at the state level and not the feds.

Ok so question, do you think when the Nazis took over there were actually millions of them or just hundreds of thousands that were able to go ahead with their plans thanks to complacency and fear? Like I am not talking about the people that voted for the NSDAP but the members of the NSDAP, the ones that then earned their positions and followed the orders. When the NSDAP took over they had not even a million members, less than 1/60th of Germans were members of the NSDAP.

Why do you think your system, that is by every definition of the term corrupt, robust enough?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Arrest them? How?

Weren't you paying attention last year? The President is above the law...the Supreme Court said so.

Governors and DC police forces could be used. Draw up the warrant, Elon Musk has blatantly broken numerous laws in regards to a private (NON CITIZEN) accessing top classified information. It's just a fact at this point. But Dems won't have the balls and Elon will dismantle everything and consolidate the power into the executive more and more every day.

Otherwise get ready to watch the fascists take over.

You can say "The American people will see their incompetence and choose to vote against them!" but even without Elon's ballot stuffing, you really think MAGA is going to turn against Trump when they're l iterally controlling what people see on media and social media now? Trump and Elon bogging down networks that don't bend the knee into multi billion dollar lawsuits.

And again, you guys keep thinking inside the rules "But Democrats can't just ARREST Elon Musk!"

Why not? Trump and Elon don't care about legality, meet them on the field they're playing on.

[Timester]

Governors and DC police forces could be used. Draw up the warrant, Elon Musk has blatantly broken numerous laws in regards to a private (NON CITIZEN) accessing top classified information. It's just a fact at this point. But Dems won't have the balls and Elon will dismantle everything and consolidate the power into the executive more and more every day.

Otherwise get ready to watch the fascists take over.

You can say "The American people will see their incompetence and choose to vote against them!" but even without Elon's ballot stuffing, you really think MAGA is going to turn against Trump when they're l iterally controlling what people see on media and social media now? Trump and Elon bogging down networks that don't bend the knee into multi billion dollar lawsuits.

Again, you are using fascist tactics to stop fascists. And the Democrats aren't the law enforcers, that's not how the system works.

Only the courts can do anything, with lawsuits and junctions. Take a step back, deep breath and then think, you are overreacting with ideas that are not lawful.

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And again, you guys keep thinking inside the rules "But Democrats can't just ARREST Elon Musk!"

Why not? Trump and Elon don't care about legality, meet them on the field they're playing on.

And lets start a civil war with a coup attempt, with law authorities against law authorities, that's really an accelaration idea.

Why, in Jackie Chan's Supercop mindset, you think oposition political parties have law enforcement powers?

[Nymrohd]

You can say "The American people will see their incompetence and choose to vote against them!" but even without Elon's ballot stuffing, you really think MAGA is going to turn against Trump when they're l iterally controlling what people see on media and social media now? Trump and Elon bogging down networks that don't bend the knee into multi billion dollar lawsuits.

A lot of people who voted for Trump are not MAGA. They are just stupid and desperate. Sure you are not getting the hateful bigots to vote against him. But the hateful bigots are not the 77 millions who voted for him. They are probably far more than anyone should be comfortable with but I doubt they are more than 60 million.

[Doomcookie]

Hard to see that happening as the Dem brand is super toxic right now and even more unpopular than Trump. "Not Trump" will not be good enough to run on.

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Soon as bird flu runs its course. But you already knew that.

You said that in 2018 and 2020.

Care to explain the constant lies?

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Pretty good chance Trump didn't write that tweet.

But here's what he has actually said, recently. That he will abide by the courts. Why did you leave this out?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...rt-orders/amp/

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The inflation rate at the end of January was 3%, slightly higher than the previous month of 2.9%. It is hardly "red hot "

You are admitting he committed crimes, but you simply don't care.

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Again, there is documented evidence of Trump saying he will abide by the courts. Like 6 days ago. To me, that is more meaningful than Twitter.

Historical record shows this to be a lie.

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Same thing it's been doing - having CDC, USDA and FDA work with state/local agencies.

And I know you will mention the recent govt firings, but do you have evidence that any firings so far have impacted the response, which largely rests at the state level anyway?

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/3...nment-response

This was also fact checked as a lie.

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I regret to inform you that the US President is presumably not involved with the maintenance of airplanes in Minneapolis.

Have a little more caution and intelligence on plane crashes in Canada. Don't be quick to call it for Trump, or quick to blame DEI.

You blamed Biden for Trump supporters trying to kill Pence.

You are lying.

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It's a very preposterous "if" for airplanes landing in Canada. Like, is-this-poster-actually-parodying-leftist-paranoia, "if." And if you're just some right-winger that's play-acting a lefty, then congratulations, you got me.

This might have relevance if Canada was actually already the 51st state, in which case the FAA might conceivably be involved, or if Biden had nationalized the airlines, in which case the federal government might have fucked up the maintenance schedule. It's just misunderstanding the meaning of responsibility to bring this up lacking relevant context.

The buck stops in Canada?

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This thread should have given you abundant cause to not accept something just because Trump said it, or a Republican said it. I'll also take this opportunity to thank the Democrats in this forum for not just accepting anything Democrats say, or Kamala says, simply because they're also a Democrat, or have voted for Democrats, or once said a Democrat was right about something.

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You've got some post-hoc issues. I assume whoever approved the initial clinical trial two years ago would be the first obvious suspect.

That's you admitting you are a liar, and cannot be trusted. Weird stance to take, bro.

[Breccia]

It just looks like a sheild/delay tactic for Musk

Yes.

He's dancing on the border of is/isn't a federal employee, whichever benefits him more. Imagine being a special kind of police officer that didn't need warrants or probable cause because you weren't a police officer, but could carry a gun and shoot people because you were a police officer. That's Musk.

[Xath]

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/BU/B...LS-119NAih.pdf

If we somehow have a country still at the end of this all of these traitors need to go to jail and citizens united must be overturned because we have reached the level of pure evil. I legitimately never thought I would see even the Republicans push to pay a 4.5 trillion dollar tax cut massively primarily focused on top earners by gutting Medicaid and Snap. Also for people saying this will wake MAGAts up no it won't. It's basically a cult at this point with programming reinforced to the level of state media at the height of the USSR. Algorithms across the internet reinforce that you see what you want to see.

[Gabriel]

Again, you are using fascist tactics to stop fascists. And the Democrats aren't the law enforcers, that's not how the system works.

Only the courts can do anything, with lawsuits and junctions. Take a step back, deep breath and then think, you are overreacting with ideas that are not lawful.

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And lets start a civil war with a coup attempt, with law authorities against law authorities, that's really an accelaration idea.

Could you remind me what it took last time to dislodge a Nazi government that had been left to shape the rest of the country to their image? They were voted out, right?

[Timester]

Could you remind me what it took last time to dislodge a Nazi government that had been left to shape the rest of the country to their image? They were voted out, right?

Doesn't anything you said disprove what I said?

Political parties aren't law enforcers. Fact.

Only courts can act. Fact.

Any attempt of unlawful arrest of Musk and Trump is a coup and will lead to the convocation of marshal law, the defacto dictatorship and possible civil war. Fact.

Could you remind me how the Nazis got the absolute power in the first place? By blaming the opposition for the burning the Reichstag.

[Gabriel]

Doesn't anything you said disprove what I said?

Political parties aren't law enforcers. Fact.

Only courts can act. Fact.

Any attempt of unlawful arrest of Musk and Trump is a coup and will lead to the convocation of marshal law, the defacto dictatorship and possible civil war. Fact.

Could you remind me how the Nazis got the absolute power in the first place? By blaming the opposition for the burning the Reichstag.

The issue with Nazi Germany was that nobody thought to Luigi the party officials before it got out of hand because it was more comfortable to just assume that everything will be all right if they just trust the system. Nothing they could have done via legal means would have done anything to help the situation.

[Timester]

The issue with Nazi Germany was that nobody thought to Luigi the party officials before it got out of hand because it was more comfortable to just assume that everything will be all right if they just trust the system. Nothing they could have done via legal means would have done anything to help the situation.

That's why I'm presenting the two only options, either use the law or attempt a coup that will lead convocation of marshall law and a true dictatorship.

All it took was some "communists" burning the Reichstag.

[Muzjhath]

Doesn't anything you said disprove what I said?

Political parties aren't law enforcers. Fact.

Only courts can act. Fact.

Any attempt of unlawful arrest of Musk and Trump is a coup and will lead to the convocation of marshal law, the defacto dictatorship and possible civil war. Fact.

Could you remind me how the Nazis got the absolute power in the first place? By blaming the opposition for the burning the Reichstag.

What Trump and Musk is doing is already a coup.

[Gabriel]

That's why I'm presenting the two only options, either use the law or attempt a coup that will lead convocation of marshall law and a true dictatorship.

All it took was some "communists" burning the Reichstag.

Only if you fail. While not doing anything and continuing to play by the rules as your opponent burned their copy of the rule book long time ago will absolutely lead to dictatorship and/or pure oligarchy.

Sometimes there are no viable feel-good options.

[Draco-Onis]

Ultimately I believe Trumpism will fail because he is an idiot, dictatorship only works if you give the people something in return for your power grab. The CCP uplifted millions from poverty, Putin for all his fault made life better compared to how bad Russia was before. Trump on the other hand is just looting everything and actively making life worse, the question is how bad will things get before people really turn on him. While I have no hope for the Neo Nazi racist cult followers which represent 28-33% of the population, the rest will turn especially after he guts social security, medicare, medicaid, SNAP and other popular programs.

These people don't care until it affects them directly and Trump is planning to hit them where it hurts because he gives zero fucks.

[Tech614]

What Trump and Musk is doing is already a coup.

Incorrect.

The american populace voted for it and are getting what they voted for.

Attempting a coup on Trump would in fact install him as the dictator he wants to be, so silly that people even have that fantasy in their heads.

[Nymrohd]

The issue with Nazi Germany was that nobody thought to Luigi the party officials before it got out of hand because it was more comfortable to just assume that everything will be all right if they just trust the system. Nothing they could have done via legal means would have done anything to help the situation.

I mean, that's different than attempting a coup. Give someone here a Death Note and they'd be writing a novel in an hour.