Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Moralgy]

Does conservatism offer anything but cruelty and nihilism?
Conservatives love lying to liberals. Conservatives also love being lied to by Trump. It's kayefab in the service of cruelty.



Yesterday, Trump said: "Medicare, Medicaid — none of that stuff is going to be touched."
Today, Trump backs the House GOP budget resolution, which includes at least $880 billion in Medicaid cuts.
https://www.politico.com/live-update...udget-00204847




Beltway Press also loves the lies. Mainly because they're also conservative and send their kids to the same private schools.

F in chat to old and poor people, sorry to those who didnt pick this, enjoy the reaper to those that did.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Okay, you really are that dense. I see.

If you can't get him on F-E-D-E-R-A-L charges, then try some different S-T-A-T-E charges to at least get him in prison while you try to find a way to stop the federal bullshit.

Okay, you really are that dense

I understood you were talking about STATE CHARGES.

One more time for the cheap seats, I was only ever talking about FEDERAL CHARGES....because the things that Musk was going to be arrested for were FEDERAL CHARGES.

STATE CHARGES are an entirely diffrent thing. I get that. But that wasn't what was being discussed.

[Kaleredar]

Seems like Zelensky is what Donald wants to be and Donald is just so bigly mad about it.

Zelensky is protecting his country from an existential threat; Trump is an existential threat.

[Breccia]

The bolded is a lie.

You back someone you want to be emperor who does nothing but lie. Your post is hypocrisy and summarily handwaved.

Speaking of tehdang's chosen leader who does nothing but lie Musk is trying to build up yet more conspiracy theories in his goal to destroy Social Security.

The Department of Government Efficiency has turned its attention to the Social Security Administration database after Elon Musk claimed that tens of millions of dead people are still collecting benefits.

DOGE responded on Monday, saying it was "looking into this," in reply to a Musk post on X Sunday that stated:

"According to the Social Security database, these are the numbers of people in each age bucket with the death field set to FALSE!" Musk's post read with a screenshot of a spreadsheet. "Maybe Twilight is real and there are a lot of vampires collecting Social Security."

The claim that tens of millions of dead people are collecitng benefits is, at best, Musk forgetting that benefits can be passed on if you've paid in enough. At worse, considering he has not shown his work, it's actually worse than a reputable source like Politico quoting someone anonymously so Trump's thugs don't murder him.

Also:

The issue of Social Security numbers belonging to people too old to be alive is not new and does not imply widespread fraud. A 2023 audit by the SSA Office of the Inspector General found that 18.9 million Social Security number holders born in 1920 or earlier were not marked as deceased, due to technological changes. However, most of these individuals were not receiving benefits.

He's lying when he says they're collecting benefits. So, the reason he isn't showing his work, is that he cannot. The "tens of millions" is literally impossible.

The 2023 review found that 18.9 million people born in 1920 or earlier had not been reported dead nor kicked over to the death master file. That accounted for about 3.6% of all the unique Social Security numbers ever made.

"We believe it likely SSA did not receive or record most of the 18.9 million individuals’ death information primarily because the individuals died decades ago − before the use of electronic death reporting," the report stated.

However, "almost none" of the 18.9 million Social Security number holders born in 1920 or earlier were receiving SSA payments, the 2023 report said, noting there were about 44,000 who were still receiving payments at the time of the audit.

Yep. Musk is lying by three orders of magnitude. Again, this would be like Trump claiming to have a two-hundred-fifty-foot dick.

Incidentally, there's an auto-off that triggers at age 115. You can see it right here on ssa-dot-gov. Trump knows this, because it was passed in 2015 (thanks, Obama) and he never canceled it. Incidentally, the auto-off is one of the reasons death notices don't always make it to SS. There's no reason.

As a reminder, one of the first things Trump did when taking the WH back was block all forms of oversight and is in the process of firing anyone nonpartisan. When Musk, not a DOGE employee by the way, makes these claims, he does so knowing that he can say whatever he wants because he has gone out of his way to block anyone from checking him.

There are not tens of millions of dead people still collecitng their benefits illegally. There are survivors built into the system, admittedly a small number who fell through the cracks since 2023 when they were caught thanks Biden, and people who still have a name in the database but are not receiving benefits. That's it.

Trump lied. Musk lied. Everyone is more credible than those two, including an anonymous source cited by a reputable source.

[NineSpine]

The bolded is a lie. The source quotes an anonymous House Republican commenting that the total proposed $880 billion in cuts has got to impact Medicaid.

Remember when Trump pardoned hundreds of unrepentant violent criminals, including one that is facing charges for videotaping SA of a minor?

[Draco-Onis]

Seems like Zelensky is what Donald wants to be and Donald is just so bigly mad about it.

Trump wants to be Putin, it's no secret he worships the man.

[Breccia]

Also, Musk isn't good at pretending to show his work, either.

On his "wall of receipts" he claims to have found is a contract worth $8 billion he clawed back.

It's an $8 million contract. Yes, that's the same "two-hundred-fifty-foot dick" level of mistake.

More importantly, it puts in question everything else he's saying. He's also claiming that this is "just a subset" which is a way of saying "I know but I'm not telling" a lie most of us stopped using when we were six.

"Well at least he got the eight right."

He didn't.

Only $2.5 million has been spent so far under the contract, according to data from USA Spending, with an additional $1 million obligated to be spent. Jordan said that it isn’t rare for agencies to agree to this kind of contract and then end up spending significantly below the ceiling amount.

Imagine claiming you recovered $8 billion in fraud and it's $2.5 million. Imagine ordering a quarter-pound hamburger and getting half a gram.

This is why Musk is likely resorting to another option: bribery.

FOX News reports *ding* that Musk is openly toying with the idea of giving every American $5,000 from all the savings he finds.

"That's a lot of money! MAGA!"

First of all, yes. That's why it's unbelievable. $5,000 times the population of the USA is about the $2 trillion he saves. As I posted earlier, he's already backing down from that claim. And even accepting his claims of finding $55 billion in a month, a number we know is false, but even accepting that, he would need to do that every month for 40 months. While Trump is in office. Meaning, he'd have to find fraud and waste Trump himself causes.

Second of all, let's say he finds all this money he claims exists and hands it out. How does this help the national deficit, again? If he finds the money, then gives it away, it's gone, and it's not savings. The money moves, true, but the federal government's balance is just as bad. And he said it was going bankrupt.

Giving the money away does not solve the problem Trump and Musk said DOGE was there for. I also would like to point out that, since the GOP is proposing massive tax cuts for the rich, again, that it will actually make things much worse. Of course, many MAGA people would take $5,000 once in exchange to let Musk get hundreds of millions every year forever. I mean, just look at who they voted for, a convicted felon fraudster.

[Kathandira]

Also, Musk isn't good at pretending to show his work, either.

On his "wall of receipts" he claims to have found is a contract worth $8 billion he clawed back.

It's an $8 million contract. Yes, that's the same "two-hundred-fifty-foot dick" level of mistake.

More importantly, it puts in question everything else he's saying. He's also claiming that this is "just a subset" which is a way of saying "I know but I'm not telling" a lie most of us stopped using when we were six.

"Well at least he got the eight right."

He didn't.



Imagine claiming you recovered $8 billion in fraud and it's $2.5 million. Imagine ordering a quarter-pound hamburger and getting half a gram.

This is why Musk is likely resorting to another option: bribery.

FOX News reports *ding* that Musk is openly toying with the idea of giving every American $5,000 from all the savings he finds.

"That's a lot of money! MAGA!"

First of all, yes. That's why it's unbelievable. $5,000 times the population of the USA is about the $2 trillion he saves. As I posted earlier, he's already backing down from that claim. And even accepting his claims of finding $55 billion in a month, a number we know is false, but even accepting that, he would need to do that every month for 40 months. While Trump is in office. Meaning, he'd have to find fraud and waste Trump himself causes.

Second of all, let's say he finds all this money he claims exists and hands it out. How does this help the national deficit, again? If he finds the money, then gives it away, it's gone, and it's not savings. The money moves, true, but the federal government's balance is just as bad. And he said it was going bankrupt.

Giving the money away does not solve the problem Trump and Musk said DOGE was there for. I also would like to point out that, since the GOP is proposing massive tax cuts for the rich, again, that it will actually make things much worse. Of course, many MAGA people would take $5,000 once in exchange to let Musk get hundreds of millions every year forever. I mean, just look at who they voted for, a convicted felon fraudster.

And of course, that $5,000 would be taxed at around 40% bringing it down to like $3,000.

[Edge-]

FOX News reports *ding* that Musk is openly toying with the idea of giving every American $5,000 from all the savings he finds.

Do ya reckon this might have "inflationary effects" if it were to ever happen?

Also, do you think this would ever happen?

[Breccia]

Also, do you think this would ever happen?

Yes.

Trump is already losing polling status, the only thing that matters to him. Just see what he said about Zelensky, for example. The damage he and Musk are already doing is already splashing onto his own voters like a hot yellow stream. Not everyone's into that. And Trump is going to increase the pressure. He's going to legit start costing enough of his own base their homes, jobs, and lives that his numbers will drop, and he will resort to bribery to do it. Incidentally, giving me money won't get your house back, so the people upset will remain upset, but the other MAGA cultists will be wowed by shiny objects and forget long enough for Trump's poliing to rise a few percent.

At the expense of the country.

So, yes, I think he'll end up desperate to buy the love he wants. It's what his father did.

By the way, another air crash, two dead.
Yes, I will keep bringing this up. Trump made it political. Now he owns the problem.

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And of course, that $5,000 would be taxed at around 40% bringing it down to like $3,000.

Honestly, it could be much worse. Musk could claim the check will be easier to hand out as a tax credit. The people he's going to cost their homes and jobs won't be paying much taxes, and the rest won't even see 60%.

[Mayhem]

FOX News reports *ding* that Musk is openly toying with the idea of giving every American $5,000 from all the savings he finds..

Wait wait wait so now fox is fine with handing out money but increasing wages was going to kill everything everywhere all at once?

[Xath]

On the plus side people might finally be starting to semi wakeup the conservative thread on the EO has been locked completely and purged with a mod statement saying well you should know how to read. They are literally ignoring the Budget comment by Trump and auto deleting anything about it.

[Nymrohd]

Wait wait wait so now fox is fine with handing out money but increasing wages was going to kill everything everywhere all at once?

Where is the inflation doomsday for giving people money? Does it only happen if Democrats have control?

[Breccia]

Wait wait wait so now fox is fine with handing out money but increasing wages was going to kill everything everywhere all at once?

Actually I think I found another article on FOX News (no ding, not cited) that Congress really wants the money back. President Musk isn't really allowed to spend what he claims is fraud spending any way he wants. So, I think they're against both?

[Mayhem]

Actually I think I found another article on FOX News (no ding, not cited) that Congress really wants the money back. President Musk isn't really allowed to spend what he claims is fraud spending any way he wants. So, I think they're against both?

So they are pro money-for-everyone and definitely against it. That sounds very republican, yep.

[Edge-]

Actually I think I found another article on FOX News (no ding, not cited) that Congress really wants the money back. President Musk isn't really allowed to spend what he claims is fraud spending any way he wants. So, I think they're against both?

well remember

the white houses says he's not even in charge of doge even and has no actual authority himself

[Xyonai]

well remember

the white houses says he's not even in charge of doge even and has no actual authority himself

I know you don't; but as an aside, anyone who actually believes that is stupid as shit and I'll take the infraction on that lol

[Xath]

I know you don't; but as an aside, anyone who actually believes that is stupid as shit and I'll take the infraction on that lol

People actually believed them when they said they wouldn't touch the social safety nets so I fully believe his cult would claim the sky was plaid if he said it was.

[Edge-]

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1892295984928993698

so donald wants to be king now

just like the founders always wanted, an american monarch, delivered by "conservative" republicans

[Draco-Onis]

People actually believed them when they said they wouldn't touch the social safety nets so I fully believe his cult would claim the sky was plaid if he said it was.

It's going to be amazing to watch their reaction when the checks stop coming, the farmers are in the found out phase and losing their shit.